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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 09:56 AM Mar 2020

This one sentence in the red-baiting NYT article about Bernie sums it up clearly.

Nothing in the documents suggests that Mr. Sanders was the only local American official targeted for propaganda, or even that he was particularly receptive to it, though they do describe him as a socialist.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/world/europe/bernie-sanders-soviet-russia.html

That won't stop the "Bernie is a communist stooge" smears, of course. The real story isn't about Bernie, it's about the media.
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This one sentence in the red-baiting NYT article about Bernie sums it up clearly. (Original Post) DanTex Mar 2020 OP
Reporting that Bernie is called a socialist randr Mar 2020 #1
But running a whole article insinuating Bernie was some kind of Soviet stooge is. DanTex Mar 2020 #2
I thought the article painted a very good picture of Bernie randr Mar 2020 #6
I wonder why the headline didn't frame it that way? Hmmm.... DanTex Mar 2020 #7
Hmmm... yeah, there's been nothing whatsoever in the media about the "Burisma" ehrnst Mar 2020 #21
Let's look at the evidence NCProgressive Mar 2020 #8
But, corporate media is self censored, terribly understaffed with independent investigative Magoo48 Mar 2020 #9
Blame the media, question the polls, rinse, lather, repeat as necessary. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #3
so bernie was a socialist then? Did he have ties to socialist organizations as well who had ties beachbumbob Mar 2020 #4
You mean "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?" Really? DanTex Mar 2020 #5
A bit disconcerting, yes? Magoo48 Mar 2020 #10
Yup. Here we are, 70 years later... DanTex Mar 2020 #16
It is a question asked every immigrant before granting a visa NCProgressive Mar 2020 #12
+1 Celerity Mar 2020 #14
Really? You don't know the history and significance of that question? DanTex Mar 2020 #15
its a valid question Celerity Mar 2020 #13
You mean like bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #11
And three different Biden supporters posted that story to this forum this morning... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #17
That's because of the ominous headline. DanTex Mar 2020 #18
His month-long silence after learning that Russia was helping him... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #19
If it were this one thing, I'd agree.... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #20
Yes, partly. But it's also about institutions and their relative resistance to change. Resistance KPN Mar 2020 #22
The Firehose of Falsehood. ehrnst Mar 2020 #23
There is a difference between a communist and a socialist. MiniMe Mar 2020 #24
This is a great article and explains why Putin/Russia have been supporting sanders Gothmog Mar 2020 #25
K&R for the sake of truth and accuracy. Mister Ed Mar 2020 #26
 

randr

(12,412 posts)
1. Reporting that Bernie is called a socialist
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:01 AM
Mar 2020

or that the smear will escalate is not the "medias" bad. I think they have a responsibility to report what the opposition will throw out at each candidate.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
2. But running a whole article insinuating Bernie was some kind of Soviet stooge is.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:02 AM
Mar 2020

You might be right, that they have a responsibility to report what the opposition will throw at our candidates, but for some reason they only do that for Bernie.

Hmmmm....

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randr

(12,412 posts)
6. I thought the article painted a very good picture of Bernie
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:08 AM
Mar 2020

It gave him some international diplomatic cred even while still a Mayor.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
7. I wonder why the headline didn't frame it that way? Hmmm....
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:10 AM
Mar 2020
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
21. Hmmm... yeah, there's been nothing whatsoever in the media about the "Burisma"
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 12:29 PM
Mar 2020

accusations.

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NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
8. Let's look at the evidence
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:11 AM
Mar 2020

1. He proudly admits that he is a socialist on video

2. He has voted against every single Russian sanctions bill.

3. He was actively supported by Russia (See Mueller's indictment of Russia)

4. Intelligence agencies are again seeing that Russia is helping Bernie via bots, trolls and disinformation campaigns.

5. Bernie praised Cuba and Fidel Castro around the cuban missile crisis.


It doesn't take a genius to decipher these actions into questioning the nature of the relationship.

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Magoo48

(4,716 posts)
9. But, corporate media is self censored, terribly understaffed with independent investigative
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:12 AM
Mar 2020

journalists, and simply blind to topics which question the corporate structure. Responsibility? When have they been responsible to the whole truth in recent memory?

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
3. Blame the media, question the polls, rinse, lather, repeat as necessary.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:04 AM
Mar 2020

It's come full circle.

"The real story isn't about Bernie, it's about the media."

Sure it's about Bernie. It's always about Bernie. It's about Bernie's self-righteous oppression at the hands of the world's evil-doers (that would be pretty much everyone who doesn't reciter Bernie's Progressive Litany three time a day), and how he's fighting against the evil Democratic Establishment.

It's always about Bernie.

Always.

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beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
4. so bernie was a socialist then? Did he have ties to socialist organizations as well who had ties
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:05 AM
Mar 2020

to marxist and communist party of america, just wondering to see if sanders supporters really know sander's history

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DanTex

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5. You mean "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?" Really?
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:07 AM
Mar 2020

Do you know where that quote comes from?

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Magoo48

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10. A bit disconcerting, yes?
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:13 AM
Mar 2020
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DanTex

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16. Yup. Here we are, 70 years later...
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:39 AM
Mar 2020
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NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
12. It is a question asked every immigrant before granting a visa
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:15 AM
Mar 2020

and in every interview for the citizenship (naturalization)


Check out for N-400 from USCIS. It has that question in it.

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
15. Really? You don't know the history and significance of that question?
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:38 AM
Mar 2020
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bucolic_frolic

(43,176 posts)
11. You mean like
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:13 AM
Mar 2020

his economic advisor 2016 from University of Massachusetts Economics Department?

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thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
17. And three different Biden supporters posted that story to this forum this morning...
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:47 AM
Mar 2020

...as a negative, despite, as you say, the article not actually being critical of Sanders at all.

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DanTex

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18. That's because of the ominous headline.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:50 AM
Mar 2020

It's got people asking "are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party." Really. 70 years later, here we are...

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. His month-long silence after learning that Russia was helping him...
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:59 AM
Mar 2020

... that was a mistake. I think it was something that made many voters question his honesty and integrity. It made others wonder of the "communist stooge" thing was a bit more than mere smoke. And then there's his no-vote regarding the Magnitsky Act, and being conveniently absent from another high-profile vote that imposed sanctions on Russia. Not once in his entire career in Washington, D.C., which started way back in 1991, has self-proclaimed and avowed Socialist Bernie Sanders ever voted yes on any bill with sanctions against Russia.

He's only making it worse for himself. This is all his own doing... you can't blame the media for pointing it out.

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Happy Hoosier

(7,314 posts)
20. If it were this one thing, I'd agree....
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 12:09 PM
Mar 2020

... but this fits a pattern.

This one issue isn't a big deal IMO. But added to all the other apologetics for the Soviets and Cubans, it reinforces a narrative.

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KPN

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22. Yes, partly. But it's also about institutions and their relative resistance to change. Resistance
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 12:31 PM
Mar 2020

takes many forms.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
23. The Firehose of Falsehood.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 12:32 PM
Mar 2020

“None of this is brand new; politicians have always sought to smear journalism they didn’t like. What’s new is that the attack is no longer about this or that story, but about journalism itself. It’s a challenge to the very notion of an independent accounting of facts.”

https://www.niemanlab.org/2017/12/the-firehose-of-falsehood/

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MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
24. There is a difference between a communist and a socialist.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 02:13 PM
Mar 2020

I think many people in the US don't understand the difference

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Gothmog

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25. This is a great article and explains why Putin/Russia have been supporting sanders
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 04:36 PM
Mar 2020
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Mister Ed

(5,940 posts)
26. K&R for the sake of truth and accuracy.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 05:26 PM
Mar 2020

I read the entire article from beginning to end. I could find nothing damning about Sanders in it. It seems to me that the headlines were written to sensationalize what was otherwise a long and somewhat uninsteresting article.

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