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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

SunSeeker

(51,659 posts)
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:16 PM Mar 2020

I was the 1968 version of a Bernie Bro. I still regret it.

I am trying to remember the person I was in 1968. I was 22 years old and a recent college graduate. I was angry, infuriated by the war in Vietnam and racial segregation. It was my first chance to vote in a presidential election. I was living in New Jersey — very briefly — and I voted for Dick Gregory, the brilliant comedian running as a write-in candidate, instead of Hubert Humphrey, the Democrat running against Republican Richard Nixon. It was a protest vote, obviously. I regret it to this day.
...
We also knew what the 1968 versions of ourselves had learned in the 50 intervening years. We had learned the importance of stability, especially in a democracy. In Beirut in 1978, I had seen a sophisticated city ripped to shreds by tribalism … and had learned how fragile a civilized society can be. We had both learned how hard it is to make a difference, that the best change comes incrementally and only with a national consensus. We had both learned that idealism needs to be enhanced by civility and some institutional memory.
...
My question to young voters is this: If Sanders loses the nomination to Biden, will you be as stupid as I was in 1968? Will you allow the country — the federal government, the Environmental Protection Agency, the judiciary, the diplomatic corps — another four years of President Trump? Are you entirely sure we can survive that?

I am not trying to persuade young Sanders zealots that they should cast a vote for this year’s version of Humphrey. Not yet. In any case, they’re not going to listen to a geezer like me. I understand their impatience and anger, even if I don’t understand why a 78-year-old man insists on the puerile offensiveness of calling himself a “socialist” when the countries he purportedly admires — the Scandinavians — are bastions of free enterprise tempered by a robust welfare state. Perhaps Sanders needs to grow up a little, too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/04/i-was-1968-version-bernie-bro-i-still-regret-it/

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Joe Biden
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I was the 1968 version of a Bernie Bro. I still regret it. (Original Post) SunSeeker Mar 2020 OP
Powerful stuff...well said! n/t DonaldsRump Mar 2020 #1
I'm pro Bernie and I fought in the Vietnam war. Farmer-Rick Mar 2020 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author nycbos Mar 2020 #2
I was a 2016 version of a Bernie Bro. I still regret it. Mike 03 Mar 2020 #3
voting for Barry Commoner in 1980 was my equivalent DBoon Mar 2020 #4
That's so familiar. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #5
"Your vote isn't for yourself; it's for your country." Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2020 #10
My first vote, too! I wasn't old enough in the primary, but turned 18 (the new voting age threshold) deurbano Mar 2020 #22
I will always be proud that my first vote was for McGovern dflprincess Mar 2020 #28
I lived in MA when I and everyone I knew voted for McGovern Frances Mar 2020 #52
1972 was the last time Minnesota dflprincess Mar 2020 #54
I was young and poor lillypaddle Mar 2020 #37
Me neither DownriverDem Mar 2020 #68
Ok, Boomer. NT essme Mar 2020 #38
Get the hell off my lawn. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #59
Mow my lawn first Boomer. Oh your back hurts, right? nt essme Mar 2020 #60
Mow your own damn lawn, kiddo. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #61
When they yell back ignore them. Just don't ask them to repeat themselves. nt essme Mar 2020 #63
What? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #64
Touche! nt essme Mar 2020 #67
Thank you. I myself am no less liberal than I was then. I just see farther and broader. Hekate Mar 2020 #57
I was too young to vote for McGovern. Blue_true Mar 2020 #77
the DNC convention in Chicago sealed the loss for Humphrey, Mayor Daley hated beachbumbob Mar 2020 #6
I don't regret anything I did in 1968. former9thward Mar 2020 #7
You were obviously too young to vote in 1968; I don't think Klein regrets his political activism. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #8
I was a 2004 version of a Bernie Bro (a Deaniac). I still regret it. AGeddy Mar 2020 #9
My husband Raftergirl Mar 2020 #11
Does he regret voting for Anderson? SunSeeker Mar 2020 #13
Of course he does.... Raftergirl Mar 2020 #47
Your husband isn't the only one who voted for Anderson. Learned my lesson; It's binary. windje Mar 2020 #23
My oldest son is a very political millennial who had - unlike me - some respect for Sanders. NNadir Mar 2020 #12
Thank you for respecting us Millennials. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #41
I think you work harder than we did. NNadir Mar 2020 #84
They said the same things about us in the early 1980s DBoon Mar 2020 #93
My BIL voted for Nader Freddie Mar 2020 #14
at that age I was a big Perot follower. I was even interviewed on tv and gave stupid non answers... samnsara Mar 2020 #15
There is a difference between a social democrat and a democratic socialist Lanius Mar 2020 #16
There's also a difference between a lifelong Democrat & an Independent gadfly... Hekate Mar 2020 #62
Agreed Lanius Mar 2020 #96
"I was the 1968 version of a Bernie Bro. I still regret it." LenaBaby61 Mar 2020 #17
When everyone is telling you something.... Farmer-Rick Mar 2020 #19
Maybe you should listen. LenaBaby61 Mar 2020 #36
A handful of people venting on Twitter isn't "everyone" or even close StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #74
Socialist is Not a swear word. Learn to live with it because it's here to stay. Farmer-Rick Mar 2020 #18
Socialism does not beat well regulated capitalism with a robust safety net (Denmark). SunSeeker Mar 2020 #26
Socialism IS NOT better than capitalism. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #35
Highly regulated capitalism....why do we have to regulate it if it so great? Farmer-Rick Mar 2020 #95
Socialism is where liberals get their good ideas DBoon Mar 2020 #94
whats that got to do with this election? nt yaesu Mar 2020 #21
I just talked with Dick Gregory and he said that this guy suffered enough. grantcart Mar 2020 #24
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Mar 2020 #25
Will they allow Trump another 1 or possibly 2 Supreme Court seats? lapfog_1 Mar 2020 #27
Well and nicely said BigOleDummy Mar 2020 #29
For what it's worth the Bernie Bros of that era helped bring the Vietnam War to an end. jalan48 Mar 2020 #30
Those who didn't vote for Humphrey radical noodle Mar 2020 #81
Johnson was the reason the War expanded in 1964. Humphrey represented a continuation jalan48 Mar 2020 #85
I will agree with that radical noodle Mar 2020 #86
I agree as well jalan48 Mar 2020 #87
1968. Not only did that year's version of Bernie Bros give us Richard Nixon wyldwolf Mar 2020 #31
I voted for Humphrey DavidDvorkin Mar 2020 #32
Age isn't always the factor. Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #33
That is author Joe Klein talking, not me. I was too young to vote in 1968. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #42
Ooops. Dem2theMax Mar 2020 #71
No worries. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #80
Pretty much what I've always said on DU... wyldwolf Mar 2020 #34
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #39
You can choose anyone you want wyldwolf Mar 2020 #45
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #48
Sorry, but the real world doesn't work that way. DinahMoeHum Mar 2020 #46
The Democratic nominee is never an "evil." SunSeeker Mar 2020 #49
I've never encountered an "evil" Democratic candidate. Some greater, some lesser, some not my ... Hekate Mar 2020 #79
Voting isn't performance art Freddie Mar 2020 #83
:) +1000, and so well said. nt Hortensis Mar 2020 #90
Calling Sanders supporters stupid is flat out wrong. mjvpi Mar 2020 #40
The author is not talking about all Sanders supporters, just those who won't vote D if Bernie loses. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #50
+1 Gore1FL Mar 2020 #51
Not all... paleotn Mar 2020 #70
Grow up a little and stop living in a fantasy world. nt Ferrets are Cool Mar 2020 #43
Most Sanders supporters will vote for the nominee, just as they did in 2016. Gore1FL Mar 2020 #44
...a better name...would be compassionate capitalism handmade34 Mar 2020 #53
Paywall. Very good essay: he seems to be the same age as I. 1968 was intense... Hekate Mar 2020 #55
Yes, it's written by Joe Klein. SunSeeker Mar 2020 #78
I was so angry about Chicago Frances Mar 2020 #56
My first vote was 1976, for Eugene McCarthy Martin Eden Mar 2020 #58
Thanks Rebl2 Mar 2020 #65
Best post I've read today! NurseJackie Mar 2020 #66
Bravo, Joe Klein! Denis Enko Mar 2020 #69
That's before my time but... stopwastingmymoney Mar 2020 #72
I felt absolutely sick after 2004 Rhiannon12866 Mar 2020 #92
Great post. This is such an important perspective from someone with wisdom and experience StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #73
I love this post. gordianot Mar 2020 #75
I could never figure out why ... Codifer Mar 2020 #76
Do any boomers think they would have done things differently in 1968 IronLionZion Mar 2020 #82
Still better than my first vote Polybius Mar 2020 #88
Wow. You have definitely evolved. Were your parents Republicans? SunSeeker Mar 2020 #89
Excellent, Sunseeker. Thanks. Hortensis Mar 2020 #91
 

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
1. Powerful stuff...well said! n/t
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:18 PM
Mar 2020
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Farmer-Rick

(10,202 posts)
20. I'm pro Bernie and I fought in the Vietnam war.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:23 PM
Mar 2020

This guy seems to be stuck in the past.

Change is coming....

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Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
3. I was a 2016 version of a Bernie Bro. I still regret it.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:19 PM
Mar 2020
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DBoon

(22,395 posts)
4. voting for Barry Commoner in 1980 was my equivalent
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:20 PM
Mar 2020

To this day, I regret that I ever used the term "corporate liberal" in a derogatory way

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
5. That's so familiar.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:26 PM
Mar 2020

I was just a little too young to vote in 1968 (you had to be 21 then) but I remember the way we were thinking then - and even though we didn't realize what we were doing at the time, some of the more negative rhetoric and behavior of the antiwar movement was probably just enough to throw the election to Nixon. There's always blowback. Those of us who remember those times have not become more politically conservative. We have become more aware of consequences, and especially of the fact is that people shouldn't be voting to make themselves feel righteous and pure. Your vote isn't for yourself; it's for your country.

And if anybody tells me "OK, Boomer," I'll kick their scrawny little ass off my lawn.

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Hermit-The-Prog

(33,400 posts)
10. "Your vote isn't for yourself; it's for your country."
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:49 PM
Mar 2020

My first vote was for McGovern and I couldn't understand why everyone didn't do likewise.

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deurbano

(2,895 posts)
22. My first vote, too! I wasn't old enough in the primary, but turned 18 (the new voting age threshold)
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:25 PM
Mar 2020

in time for the general. (And apparently, I'm now so old that if I lived in Seattle I'd be advised to stay home to avoid the coronavirus, since it seems my age puts me at higher risk for complications! Time flies....)

And yeah, how did he lose?! "Everyone" (I knew) voted for him. (Must have been rigged...)

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dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
28. I will always be proud that my first vote was for McGovern
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:38 PM
Mar 2020

Like you I couldn't understand why everyone didn't do the same.

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Frances

(8,546 posts)
52. I lived in MA when I and everyone I knew voted for McGovern
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:38 PM
Mar 2020

I was astonished when McGovern won only 2 states

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dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
54. 1972 was the last time Minnesota
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:43 PM
Mar 2020

went for a Republican in the presidential race.

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lillypaddle

(9,581 posts)
37. I was young and poor
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:00 PM
Mar 2020

I donated $5 to McGovern, and in the memo area of my check, I wrote, "for peace."

I hate it that so many young people seem to think "boomers" are sellouts. We fought fucking HARD, and many of us continue to fight, as health and finances allow.

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DownriverDem

(6,231 posts)
68. Me neither
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:56 PM
Mar 2020

I didn't get why folks weren't for McGovern either.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
59. Get the hell off my lawn.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:47 PM
Mar 2020
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essme

(1,207 posts)
60. Mow my lawn first Boomer. Oh your back hurts, right? nt
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:50 PM
Mar 2020
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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
61. Mow your own damn lawn, kiddo.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:52 PM
Mar 2020

Now please excuse me while I yell at some clouds.

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essme

(1,207 posts)
63. When they yell back ignore them. Just don't ask them to repeat themselves. nt
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:54 PM
Mar 2020
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Hekate

(90,773 posts)
57. Thank you. I myself am no less liberal than I was then. I just see farther and broader.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:46 PM
Mar 2020
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
77. I was too young to vote for McGovern.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:26 PM
Mar 2020

But my progressive values have not changed, what has changed is that things are no longer absolutely black or white like then, life and change really does have a lot of grey shades and other colors, and now I see that clearly.

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beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
6. the DNC convention in Chicago sealed the loss for Humphrey, Mayor Daley hated
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:26 PM
Mar 2020

Humphrey and the resulting chicago riots were live cast into people's homes.

a sad day for democrats and america. A different direction should have happen. 10's of thousands of americasn soldiers lives would have been saved. 10's of thousands.

all that misery was avoidable

same in 2000 which allowed Iraq and ME meltdown

same in 2016

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former9thward

(32,068 posts)
7. I don't regret anything I did in 1968.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:32 PM
Mar 2020

I had just graduated high school and that summer hitchhiked to Chicago to participate in the protests at the Democratic convention. That fall I was elected Chairman of the campus Students for a Democratic Society. We sponsored demonstrations and other protests against the unjust Vietnam war.

The university I attended, and graduated from, recently asked me to speak at an event they are holding this May. It is the 50th anniversary of the student strike I helped lead in protest of the war and killing of students at Kent state and Jackson state. We shut down the university for the rest of the school year. I don't regret a thing about those years.

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SunSeeker

(51,659 posts)
8. You were obviously too young to vote in 1968; I don't think Klein regrets his political activism.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:45 PM
Mar 2020

He just regrets not voting for Humphrey.

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AGeddy

(509 posts)
9. I was a 2004 version of a Bernie Bro (a Deaniac). I still regret it.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:46 PM
Mar 2020


Youth is wasted on the young.


We were all naive and stupid.
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Raftergirl

(1,292 posts)
11. My husband
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:51 PM
Mar 2020

voted for John Anderson! This was well before he met me, but I never let him forget his stupidity!

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SunSeeker

(51,659 posts)
13. Does he regret voting for Anderson?
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:55 PM
Mar 2020

I hope he does...

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Raftergirl

(1,292 posts)
47. Of course he does....
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:19 PM
Mar 2020

But I still don’t let him forget it.

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windje

(70 posts)
23. Your husband isn't the only one who voted for Anderson. Learned my lesson; It's binary.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:25 PM
Mar 2020

Hold your nose and vote accordingly. I still regret that vote. PS - I Don't need my spouse to remind me. 😊

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NNadir

(33,541 posts)
12. My oldest son is a very political millennial who had - unlike me - some respect for Sanders.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:53 PM
Mar 2020

On the other hand, he is not naive.

He was disappointed when Yang dropped out, and isn't crazy about Biden, but he is very devoted, as are all decent Americans, to seeing Trump gone. That has always been and always will be first with him.

My generation has screwed my sons' generation over. They don't need our lectures. They need our respect.

These kids are remarkable people. I admire them enormously. It is not right nor fair to paint them with the same brush as the boomers paint themselves. They are not self absorbed loopy types running off to rock concerts and painting their faces with flowers.

We grew up to be whiny asinine consumers.

They will not have that luxury, but by comparison with us, they will be a great generation, and no, the Sanders myth that he represents young people, like most of the other stuff he says, is horseshit.

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Turin_C3PO

(14,033 posts)
41. Thank you for respecting us Millennials.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:09 PM
Mar 2020

I see so many insults on this site aimed at us, implying we don’t work, sit in our mom’s basement, just want freebies, etc. Most of us are just as hardworking as previous generations.

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NNadir

(33,541 posts)
84. I think you work harder than we did.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 11:27 PM
Mar 2020

And you work for less reward.

I deeply regret the world we are leaving for you. Our parents worked to make our world a better place, and in many ways they succeeded. By contrast we have been a bunch of twittering sybarites who have shown nothing but contempt for the future.

Overall, I would say that my experience of your generation is that you are smarter, tougher, more creative and less dogmatic than we have been. Your minds are open, at least the millennials I know.

The upside of the disaster we've left on your plate is that great challenges make great generations.

But for us...

For us...

What I often say is that history will not forgive us, nor should it.

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DBoon

(22,395 posts)
93. They said the same things about us in the early 1980s
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:52 PM
Mar 2020

We were lazy latte-sippers

Every generation when young gets its share of unjustified insults

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Freddie

(9,273 posts)
14. My BIL voted for Nader
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 07:56 PM
Mar 2020

And very much regrets it. He’s realized now that voting is not performance art.

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samnsara

(17,634 posts)
15. at that age I was a big Perot follower. I was even interviewed on tv and gave stupid non answers...
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:01 PM
Mar 2020

...so embarrassing!! But at that time Democracy wasnt being threatened. We could afford to be stupid. These new voter however...can NOT.

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Lanius

(599 posts)
16. There is a difference between a social democrat and a democratic socialist
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:18 PM
Mar 2020
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Hekate

(90,773 posts)
62. There's also a difference between a lifelong Democrat & an Independent gadfly...
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:53 PM
Mar 2020

...who comes along every 4 years to take advantage of the infrastructure Democrats built.

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LenaBaby61

(6,976 posts)
17. "I was the 1968 version of a Bernie Bro. I still regret it."
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:20 PM
Mar 2020

Last edited Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:53 PM - Edit history (1)

Yeah, well on twitter, several of the young Bernie enthusiasts basically told me to go fuck off old-timer (They didn't seem like bots, because their profiles have been on twitter for several years (6-7 years plus for the ones I engaged with).

One telling me "You old people helped to destroy my life, because you kept putting corporate Dems in control." That Bernie voter said that she, nor any of her friends will be voting this fall, and that she/nor they CARE what happens from here on out. Wait, Republicans like Reagan, Daddy Bush and W. didn't hurt us in any way? The tReasonous fat one's not hurting the entire world?

Another told me that "Black voters were being kinda selfish in South Carolina, voting for Joe Biden just because of their love of fellow African-American Pres. Obama."

All I can say is LORD HAVE ALL OF THE FUCKING THE MERCIES.
Missing the forest for the damn TREES

SOME of these young Bernie folks (NOT all), and SOME of these Adult Bernie voters seem to not have all of their marbles ... or something. They'll be NO revolution anytime soon, and this country will resemble broke ass, flat out busted ru$$ia (Outside of St. Petersburg/Moscow) if EVER if tReasonous fat ass and his Party of Putin get back in there, and turn this country into the USSA. It's bad enough that the courts have been stacked, for a generation or more, with youngish WWJD judges--some of whom are Federalists/racists who'll make Bernie voters lives--hell, all of our lives--a living HELL.

Do they know what's at stake here?

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Farmer-Rick

(10,202 posts)
19. When everyone is telling you something....
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:21 PM
Mar 2020

Maybe you should listen.

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LenaBaby61

(6,976 posts)
36. Maybe you should listen.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:00 PM
Mar 2020

Listen to what?

I'm blue no matter who. I'd vote for Bernie if he were the last man standing, and the person Dems chose to run vs tRump.

However, they've got their minds made up to make us suffer along with the rest of them by either not voting, voting third-party, or by having the fucking nerve to say that African-Americans were 'kinda selfish' for not voting for Bernie Sanders because Pres. Obama was black like them.

Sanders has a commercial up and running currently showcasing himself with .....

Pres. Barack Obama.

Da Irony


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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
74. A handful of people venting on Twitter isn't "everyone" or even close
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:15 PM
Mar 2020

A big problem we have these days is the assumption by many that the Twitterverse is the world.

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Farmer-Rick

(10,202 posts)
18. Socialist is Not a swear word. Learn to live with it because it's here to stay.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:20 PM
Mar 2020

It sure beats capitalism that hands everything to the already filthy rich.

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SunSeeker

(51,659 posts)
26. Socialism does not beat well regulated capitalism with a robust safety net (Denmark).
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:32 PM
Mar 2020

Denmark does not have a socialist economy. None of the Scandinavian countries do.

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Turin_C3PO

(14,033 posts)
35. Socialism IS NOT better than capitalism.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:57 PM
Mar 2020

I’d like to see one example of a successful socialist country. The best countries are highly regulated capitalist systems with strong safety nets and progressive taxation, such as the Scandinavian countries. And yes, billionaires still exist in those countries but they pay their fair share.

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Farmer-Rick

(10,202 posts)
95. Highly regulated capitalism....why do we have to regulate it if it so great?
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:11 PM
Mar 2020

That's like saying slavery is a good economic system as long as you have enough armed guards and militia to keep slaves from escaping and enough abusive overseers with whips to ensure the slaves keep working.

If you have to regulate it, and guard it with police and laws, it is an abusive system.

"In order to understand the brutality of American capitalism, you have to start on the plantation"


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/slavery-capitalism.html

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DBoon

(22,395 posts)
94. Socialism is where liberals get their good ideas
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:55 PM
Mar 2020

Be proud to be co-opted. It means you are being taken seriously.

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yaesu

(8,020 posts)
21. whats that got to do with this election? nt
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:24 PM
Mar 2020
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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
24. I just talked with Dick Gregory and he said that this guy suffered enough.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:27 PM
Mar 2020
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lapfog_1

(29,219 posts)
27. Will they allow Trump another 1 or possibly 2 Supreme Court seats?
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:37 PM
Mar 2020
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BigOleDummy

(2,272 posts)
29. Well and nicely said
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:39 PM
Mar 2020

This old geezer agrees 100%.

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jalan48

(13,881 posts)
30. For what it's worth the Bernie Bros of that era helped bring the Vietnam War to an end.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:40 PM
Mar 2020

Sometimes please and thank you doesn't work. I'd rather have the Bernie Bros in a fight against Trump Fascism than Centrist reaching across the table to find common ground.

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radical noodle

(8,012 posts)
81. Those who didn't vote for Humphrey
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:32 PM
Mar 2020

most likely helped delay the end of the Vietnam War. If they voted for Humphrey, they weren't Bernie Bros.

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jalan48

(13,881 posts)
85. Johnson was the reason the War expanded in 1964. Humphrey represented a continuation
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 11:58 PM
Mar 2020

of Johnson's policies. Had Humphrey, like Robert Kennedy, made ending the War his priority he would have received more votes. Many voters, for good reason didn't trust him.

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radical noodle

(8,012 posts)
86. I will agree with that
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 01:14 AM
Mar 2020

but Humphrey was more likely to end the war than Nixon. I was angry with LBJ, as most were at the time, but Nixon sure wasn't the answer.

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wyldwolf

(43,869 posts)
31. 1968. Not only did that year's version of Bernie Bros give us Richard Nixon
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:40 PM
Mar 2020

Four years later they finally got their chance with their version of Bernie - George McGovern. They gave us Nixon again.

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DavidDvorkin

(19,483 posts)
32. I voted for Humphrey
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:42 PM
Mar 2020

What a fine president he would have been, and how much better this country would be now had he won.

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Dem2theMax

(9,653 posts)
33. Age isn't always the factor.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:46 PM
Mar 2020

I had to talk Democratic friends into voting for Hillary.
They were so mad that Bernie wasn't the candidate, that they refused to vote. These people were in their 60s.

I had to explain, more than once, that if they didn't vote for Hillary, they were basically voting FOR Trump.

Eventually, that got through to them.

And that is what we will have to say, over and over and over, when we finally know who the Democratic candidate will be.

And I understand that you referred to yourself as being stupid when you didn't vote for Humphrey. But please take that out of your speech in the future. We don't want to offend our own team. We need every vote. We can't afford to offend even one person. And I know you didn't mean it that way. But I know some people will take it that way.

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SunSeeker

(51,659 posts)
42. That is author Joe Klein talking, not me. I was too young to vote in 1968.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:09 PM
Mar 2020

I just posted excerpts from his opinion piece at the link. I have always voted for the Democratic nominee.

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Dem2theMax

(9,653 posts)
71. Ooops.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:10 PM
Mar 2020

Sorry about that! I need to send my reply to Joe Klein.
I'm on pain pills for a very badly pinched nerve.
I've been missing a lot of things lately. LOL?

Me --->

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wyldwolf

(43,869 posts)
34. Pretty much what I've always said on DU...
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 08:52 PM
Mar 2020

We were counseled by our elders: Vote the lesser of two evils. But Humphrey’s kindness and humanity simply didn’t register. We saw only this wimpy, old guy who was probably lying about his newfound opposition to the war. And it didn’t really matter if Nixon won: We were young; we had a world to win, an establishment to overthrow. We had a plenty of time. Four years of Nixon would bring the country to its senses. What was one election?

It was more than 20,000 American deaths in Vietnam and uncountable numbers of Vietnamese people killed and wounded. It was the onset of a politics — Nixon’s Southern strategy — that began the process, which continues to this day, of white racial backlash. It was a descent, by many of us, into a reflexive, silly left-liberalism that caused the Democratic Party to suffer more than 20 years of defeat before being hauled back to reality by Bill Clinton in 1992.

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wyldwolf

(43,869 posts)
45. You can choose anyone you want
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:16 PM
Mar 2020


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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DinahMoeHum

(21,806 posts)
46. Sorry, but the real world doesn't work that way.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:18 PM
Mar 2020

What if what you want simply ain't available?

Go for the next best thing, then. But don't ever dare not vote or vote third-party.

As the song goes: ". . .you can't always get what you want/ but if you try sometimes/ you just might find/ you get what you need. . ."

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SunSeeker

(51,659 posts)
49. The Democratic nominee is never an "evil."
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:21 PM
Mar 2020

They are invariably decent, if sometimes flawed, human beings who genuinely want to help the working class, unlike Republicans.

That was the author's point. So many of us were blind to Humphrey's decency in 1968.

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Hekate

(90,773 posts)
79. I've never encountered an "evil" Democratic candidate. Some greater, some lesser, some not my ...
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:31 PM
Mar 2020

...exact heart's desire -- but all in all, supporters of the core Democratic Party agenda.

And in every single case, NOT REPUBLICANS.

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Freddie

(9,273 posts)
83. Voting isn't performance art
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:58 PM
Mar 2020

It’s not about “sending a message”. It’s about the future of this country. Would you prefer the candidate you agree with 90% of the time, or the one you agree with 0% of the time? One of them is going to win. Not your write-ins or 3rd party candidates.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
90. :) +1000, and so well said. nt
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 06:25 AM
Mar 2020
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mjvpi

(1,389 posts)
40. Calling Sanders supporters stupid is flat out wrong.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:09 PM
Mar 2020

All of the Sanders supporters I know are life long Democrats and will vote blue no matter who. They are passionate. They are really educated on issues. However, young people are idealistic and passionate. I see it as an evolutionary imperative. I don’t see how we can afford to lose 10% of Sanders most passionate supporters by trying to scare them or insult them into supporting someone else. I see that approach as short sighted as some of the things being said by Bernie supporters.

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SunSeeker

(51,659 posts)
50. The author is not talking about all Sanders supporters, just those who won't vote D if Bernie loses.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:25 PM
Mar 2020
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Gore1FL

(21,151 posts)
51. +1
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:28 PM
Mar 2020

"Bernie and his supporters don't belong, are ignorant, <fill-in-the-blank>" are common themes I've seen by some of the same people lamenting that some of them won't support the ticket in November.

I am reasonably sure that 2020 will be a blue wave again. It would be nice if we gave Sanders supporters a seat at the table rather than lock them out of the dining room.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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paleotn

(17,946 posts)
70. Not all...
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:09 PM
Mar 2020

Some. But we all need realize what's a stake this time around. This isn't some half ass protest vote for Nader in 2000. If we lose this one, all those issues we hold dear and argue about endlessly are meaningless. If we lose this one, our country will be barely recognizable. Whoever our nominee is needs all of our support. If it's Biden, he has my vote without question. If it's Bernie, he has my vote without question. Sorry, but it's well past time to grow up and understand what's at stake here.

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Ferrets are Cool

(21,109 posts)
43. Grow up a little and stop living in a fantasy world. nt
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:10 PM
Mar 2020

I used to hang on Bernies every word, but he has just become a old "get off my yard" man.

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Gore1FL

(21,151 posts)
44. Most Sanders supporters will vote for the nominee, just as they did in 2016.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:13 PM
Mar 2020

The "my candidate or else" is not a unique feeling to Sanders supporters. It's not unique to this decade.

What this article should address is what the Party needs to aim at to pull these voters into a unified front. I bet some of those items would be affordable healthcare, affordable education, and the opportunity to do OK in life. Instead of hearing, yes, those are Democratic ideals from way back, what they hear is all of those things are expensive pipe dreams. (We had these things when I was growing up and we went to the moon, so they clearly aren't pipe dreams at all.)

They hear almost the same basic "NO!" from both parties. It shouldn't be that way.

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handmade34

(22,757 posts)
53. ...a better name...would be compassionate capitalism
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:38 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/#5a64badc74ad


If the left insists on naming a system of generous government benefits combined with a free market democratic socialism, I cannot stop them. That seems unnecessarily confusing since the government is actually running no industries other than education (and meddling somewhat in healthcare). It certainly isn’t socialism. In fact, the only reason most such countries can afford those benefits is that their market economies are so productive they can cover the expense of the government’s generosity. Perhaps a better name for what the Nordic countries practice would be compassionate capitalism
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Hekate

(90,773 posts)
55. Paywall. Very good essay: he seems to be the same age as I. 1968 was intense...
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:44 PM
Mar 2020

Last edited Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:26 PM - Edit history (1)

I didn't turn 21 until the end of September, but all year worked my heart out for Gene McCarthy, the first to declare himself as an antiwar candidate. I missed out being able to vote for Humphrey by moving out of state for university, but I would have if I could have.

The essayist shows that most of us mature over time...

ETA: saw the author's name in the thread.

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SunSeeker

(51,659 posts)
78. Yes, it's written by Joe Klein.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:30 PM
Mar 2020

His bio at the top of the piece is listed as:

Joe Klein, a veteran of the New Yorker, Newsweek and Time, is the author of seven books, including “Primary Colors.”
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Frances

(8,546 posts)
56. I was so angry about Chicago
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:46 PM
Mar 2020

That I planned not to vote.
Then I visited Wallace loving relatives in Alabama, came back to Boston and voted for Humphrey. There’s nothing like seeing first hand the difference between a cruel racist and a less than perfect candidate.
Wallace did repent much later as did Lee Atwater, the author of the Southern strategy.
I don’t think Trump will ever repent

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Martin Eden

(12,875 posts)
58. My first vote was 1976, for Eugene McCarthy
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:46 PM
Mar 2020

He ran as an independent in '76, and my vote was essentially appreciation for his antiwar stance as a candidate for the Dem nomination in 1968.

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Rebl2

(13,542 posts)
65. Thanks
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:54 PM
Mar 2020

for sharing this.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
66. Best post I've read today!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 09:55 PM
Mar 2020
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Denis Enko

(81 posts)
69. Bravo, Joe Klein!
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:04 PM
Mar 2020

He's the author of the op-ed piece quoted in the OP.

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stopwastingmymoney

(2,042 posts)
72. That's before my time but...
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:10 PM
Mar 2020

I remember vividly 2004 when John Kerry was boring and long winded with his complicated ideas. I loved that about him and still do, as my choice below indicates

We were devastated in 2004, let’s remember that one too



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Rhiannon12866

(205,851 posts)
92. I felt absolutely sick after 2004
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:27 AM
Mar 2020

If you remember, GD and GDP were changed to two post election forums - one was for those who were angry and needed to vent - and the other was for those who were upset and needed sympathy. I mainly posted in the latter.

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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
73. Great post. This is such an important perspective from someone with wisdom and experience
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:11 PM
Mar 2020

Thank you!

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gordianot

(15,242 posts)
75. I love this post.
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:17 PM
Mar 2020

I really love the age old generational dialogue in most recent form that “Boomers” do not understand me. Instead of resorting to “nostalgia” I give my best parental possessive grin and bite my tongue.

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Codifer

(548 posts)
76. I could never figure out why ...
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:19 PM
Mar 2020

Eugene McCarthy was not the nominee after Bobby was murdered. I do not think that Humphry even competed in any primaries. But that was the Chicago convention debacle. At the time it was the latest bit of savagery to my once rosy optimism. I was so damn sure that a great future lay ahead on earth and in space. Then...

The first big hit was 22 November 1963. I was nineteen.

Next was Viet Nam.

Just got back home in 1968 when Martin Luther King was assassinated.

Then bobby in LA just before I separated from the service in June.

Then the Chicago convention riot by Daley's police. (at that time the police seemed the enemy of the young in case anyone forgot).

But I STILL pulled it together to vote for Humphry.

Then Kent State.

In 2008 I thought that stupidity was in complete remission... and I relaxed a bit.

Then the darkest day of all, 8 November 2016. The stupidity came back with a terrible irony. The same fuckers who hollered "go back to Russia" at me when I marched for peace now were saying "They seem nice" when Russian thugs were laughing it up with trump in the OVAL OFFICE!

I have not given up yet.... but Jesus, I am so goddamn tired.

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IronLionZion

(45,514 posts)
82. Do any boomers think they would have done things differently in 1968
Wed Mar 4, 2020, 10:46 PM
Mar 2020

if only some wise older people had called you stupid and entitled?

Some people's perspectives on life have been shaped by the experience of having a lot of older people lie to them their whole lives. People who don't see themselves ever being able to afford a house might find it hard to be swayed by analogies of the house is on fire so don't remodel the kitchen. I know people who rent rooms that don't even have a kitchen. Some of the "eat the rich" types would like to see the likes of Bloomberg and Steyer as side dishes even if Trump is the main course.

Very interesting that Joe Klein would talk about Humphrey in 1968 when 4 years later Dems nominated McGovern to shake things up.

More recently, after relatively sensible Romney failed badly the GOP nominated a steaming pile of bovine excrement to shake things up.

Calm down Boomers, I have no problem voting Biden in November. Every Democrat should take a strategic pause now and then and try to see things from the perspective of a very different demographic of Democrat: by income, age, race, gender, or ideology.

SNL skit Millennial Millions
https://www.metatube.com/en/videos/426603/Millennial-Millions-SNL/

Alternate link for video
https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/millennial-millions/3867395

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Polybius

(15,467 posts)
88. Still better than my first vote
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 02:24 AM
Mar 2020

George HW Bush, but I was 19.

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SunSeeker

(51,659 posts)
89. Wow. You have definitely evolved. Were your parents Republicans?
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:32 AM
Mar 2020
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
91. Excellent, Sunseeker. Thanks.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 07:55 AM
Mar 2020

In 1968 I was a poor teen who'd dropped out of HS to work graveyard in a Nevada casino. I'd need to be out of school for a year before the university would admit me, and I'd need money to pay the tuition. Easy and very doable.

That was because back then, before the New Deal era ended in 1980, we had that critical stability and a spreading-wide prosperity that was growing the middle class and shrinking poverty. HS grads took it for granted that they could go out with minimal skills and get a full-time job that would support them. Public colleges were affordable, and there were great opportunities for social mobility for those who wanted more, including to lesser degrees for minorities and women. That was the civil rights and second wave era.

Now, after 40 years of devastating conservative domination of government, it's horribly different.

So what I really wish young generations knew is that we know how to do it right and it is very doable! We're an incredibly wealthy nation, modern production has more than quadrupled national wealth since the 1980s alone, and it'd be so comparatively easy to restore what we once had -- but even better with what we know now and have now.

That requires replacing the current majority control by strong conservatives unfit to manage an animal shelter (horrible thought) with Democratic majorities, and then keeping Democrats in power long enough to do the job. That's exactly how it was done in the 1930s after our nation was also brought to its knees by an era of conservative mismanagement.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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