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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:00 AM Mar 2020

So black South Carolinians went overwhelmingly for Joe.

And Bernie says he is fighting the corporate wing of the Democratic Party.

Are black persons the corporate wing of the party? Not something I believe.

I believe they ARE the base of the party.

But his narrative and framing allows for all sorts of attacks on our coalition and I am fucking sick of it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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So black South Carolinians went overwhelmingly for Joe. (Original Post) boston bean Mar 2020 OP
He couldn't be bothered to go to Selma mcar Mar 2020 #1
Not going to Selma was a HUGE miscalculation on his part, dware Mar 2020 #2
But he's in Utah today! No Alabama trip but a Utah trip. Both are voting tomorrow and.... George II Mar 2020 #9
You've got that right. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #19
Well, you know we Democrats in southern states mcar Mar 2020 #21
Should add that not just the black vote in SC but also the under 45 black vote. Old Terp Mar 2020 #3
Be clear. You mean Joe, not Sanders. brush Mar 2020 #28
One DU poster characterized SC as an Codeine Mar 2020 #4
Over kill on "establishment"? Cha Mar 2020 #5
I'm still stuck on how a candidate who's served in the House and Senate calimary Mar 2020 #10
Is it also a "corporatist state?" yardwork Mar 2020 #22
Bernie has Public Enemy in LA IronLionZion Mar 2020 #6
in SC Biden won every county, and across every voter segment except 17-29 yr-olds onetexan Mar 2020 #11
A large group of my younger coworkers stood in line for hours for the Bernie rally this weekend IronLionZion Mar 2020 #13
Free college wryter2000 Mar 2020 #16
more like impetuous & naive to me onetexan Mar 2020 #18
His hair, glasses and passion, that's what my 9yr old likes about him uponit7771 Mar 2020 #17
Biden won across most age groups with AA voters in S.C. emmaverybo Mar 2020 #26
There you go again citing facts about Bernie!! Since when do facts matter when bashin him?! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #29
Bad Faith jamezwithaz Mar 2020 #7
Seriously!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #30
They've been downplaying SC for weeks. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #8
Bernie also says Joe doesn't support the working class or middle class - jmg257 Mar 2020 #12
I guess all those people who joe rode Amtrack with Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #14
Not what Sanders said in 2016... squirecam Mar 2020 #23
Is it sublimial racism...implying black people don't work? brush Mar 2020 #31
Hear, hear wryter2000 Mar 2020 #15
More interesting to me is how all the polls missed this. Amishman Mar 2020 #20
Most people have cells where they can program in known numbers by name (either family, friends, Blue_true Mar 2020 #25
Were the polls before or after the Clyburn endorsement? Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2020 #34
No great shock there... Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #24
Joe OWES South Carolina a LOT. LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #27
Post removed Post removed Mar 2020 #32
And now you know the secret sauce. ucrdem Mar 2020 #33
 

mcar

(42,334 posts)
1. He couldn't be bothered to go to Selma
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:12 AM
Mar 2020

He is showing us who he is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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dware

(12,391 posts)
2. Not going to Selma was a HUGE miscalculation on his part,
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:15 AM
Mar 2020

he can now definitely forget about the AA vote nationwide, without which he has no chance of winning.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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George II

(67,782 posts)
9. But he's in Utah today! No Alabama trip but a Utah trip. Both are voting tomorrow and....
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 11:40 AM
Mar 2020

....Alabama has 52 delegates, Utah has 29. Alabama is 63% white, Utah is 87% white.

He's basically discounting the black vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

OnDoutside

(19,960 posts)
19. You've got that right.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 01:30 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mcar

(42,334 posts)
21. Well, you know we Democrats in southern states
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 06:15 PM
Mar 2020

don't really count.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Old Terp

(464 posts)
3. Should add that not just the black vote in SC but also the under 45 black vote.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:29 AM
Mar 2020

He also won the black vote in Nevada.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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brush

(53,784 posts)
28. Be clear. You mean Joe, not Sanders.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:18 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
4. One DU poster characterized SC as an
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:32 AM
Mar 2020

“Establishment State”, whatever the fuck THAT means.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,277 posts)
5. Over kill on "establishment"?
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 11:15 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

calimary

(81,304 posts)
10. I'm still stuck on how a candidate who's served in the House and Senate
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 11:42 AM
Mar 2020

since 1991 is somehow NOT part of the “Establishment”?

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yardwork

(61,634 posts)
22. Is it also a "corporatist state?"
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 06:29 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IronLionZion

(45,450 posts)
6. Bernie has Public Enemy in LA
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 11:37 AM
Mar 2020

so maybe the West Coast hip hop crowd is a little bit different from the more church going South Carolina crowd.

Bernie's black supporters are younger, more urban, and more radical. Biden's are older, more rural/suburban, and more moderate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,041 posts)
11. in SC Biden won every county, and across every voter segment except 17-29 yr-olds
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:01 PM
Mar 2020

I do not understand why the young people are drawn to Bernie. Maybe it's all the false freebies he's promising them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IronLionZion

(45,450 posts)
13. A large group of my younger coworkers stood in line for hours for the Bernie rally this weekend
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:12 PM
Mar 2020

They shot video on their phones and shared it to social media. Public Enemy fired Flava Flav over it. I'll give Bernie credit for having very passionate and excited supporters.

It does seem generational. At this point, I'm a bit wary of large crowds.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
16. Free college
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:58 PM
Mar 2020

Plus, younger people tend to be less realistic about how the American public votes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,041 posts)
18. more like impetuous & naive to me
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:59 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
17. His hair, glasses and passion, that's what my 9yr old likes about him
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:59 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
26. Biden won across most age groups with AA voters in S.C.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:16 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
29. There you go again citing facts about Bernie!! Since when do facts matter when bashin him?!
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:20 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jamezwithaz

(3 posts)
7. Bad Faith
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM
Mar 2020

...is the default around here when it comes to Sanders. Tuesday can't get here quick enough.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
30. Seriously!!
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:21 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
8. They've been downplaying SC for weeks.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM
Mar 2020

"It doesn't matter because we won't win it in November" is a common refrain.

That doesn't seem to apply to Iowa. Hmm, wonder why.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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jmg257

(11,996 posts)
12. Bernie also says Joe doesn't support the working class or middle class -
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:12 PM
Mar 2020

Not sure exactly what class Bernie places AAs, who overwhelmingly go for Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Mr.Bill

(24,300 posts)
14. I guess all those people who joe rode Amtrack with
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:51 PM
Mar 2020

for all those years commuting to Washington DC were billionaires.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
23. Not what Sanders said in 2016...
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 07:08 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brush

(53,784 posts)
31. Is it sublimial racism...implying black people don't work?
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:26 PM
Mar 2020

No wonder he gets little black support. And no Dem wins without that.

And if he isn't aware of that subtle, and I hope unintentional, messaging, he doesn't need to be a politician at all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
15. Hear, hear
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:55 PM
Mar 2020

Anything that doesn’t go his way is corporate and establishment. I’m thoroughly sick of it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
20. More interesting to me is how all the polls missed this.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 01:40 PM
Mar 2020

The RCP average before the primary was Biden +15. The pro Biden outlier was +21.

Final result was +28.5

I'm very curious to see how the polls hold up tomorrow

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Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. Most people have cells where they can program in known numbers by name (either family, friends,
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:11 PM
Mar 2020

or business associates). I know that I don't answer strange numbers or texts from someone that I don't know or have had no known association with. I am making this statement via observation, pretty much all African Americans rely exclusively on cells now, I know that all of my family, friends and casual acquaintances do. I have not seen a landline at any place but a few businesses.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
34. Were the polls before or after the Clyburn endorsement?
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:38 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
24. No great shock there...
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 07:24 PM
Mar 2020

And don't think I don't remember all the folks trying to pretend the primary was over after Nevada and that we might as well not even let the rest of the states have a say...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
27. Joe OWES South Carolina a LOT.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:18 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to boston bean (Original post)

 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
33. And now you know the secret sauce.
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 08:31 PM
Mar 2020

Let's call it the Colonel's Southern strategy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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