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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Ninga

(8,276 posts)
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 11:49 AM Mar 2020

We deserve to have Elizabeth Warren as our President. She would not draft policies by

sticking her finger in the wind to see how the wind blows....yet professed supporters are
abandoning their vote for her in exactly that fashion...a finger in the wind.

Either you believe she is the most capable or you don’t. I simply do not understand abandoning her.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/sunday/elizabeth-warren-2020.html?referringSource=articleShare

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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We deserve to have Elizabeth Warren as our President. She would not draft policies by (Original Post) Ninga Mar 2020 OP
You have to face political realities...and make the best choice you can when your candidate will not Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #1
Did you vote for Howard Dean? Tweedy Mar 2020 #87
And furthermore, only a very small fraction of the country has already voted. groundloop Mar 2020 #96
4 states....2 of them lily white. (Iowa, NH, Nevada, SC) BComplex Mar 2020 #106
Only if we decide to do so Tweedy Mar 2020 #120
She has no path to the nomination. squirecam Mar 2020 #2
Exactly! IluvPitties Mar 2020 #7
Of course she does. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #33
So the "path" squirecam Mar 2020 #43
It's even possible that someone with no delegates at all gets the nomination. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author pinkstarburst Mar 2020 #55
Not necessarily. squirecam Mar 2020 #57
No it is not possible. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #58
So why are you still supporting Amy? Just curious Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2020 #69
I voted in Nevada. squirecam Mar 2020 #108
Agree. But if Biden catches up and Bernie grows too Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2020 #113
Does Being Realistic Mean Giving Up Your Dreams? McKim Mar 2020 #73
I had to be realistic about getting a job Shermann Mar 2020 #103
That kind of thing is personal treestar Mar 2020 #132
With respect Curtis Mar 2020 #72
Even with a bump from SC, a considerable percentage of Super Tuesday votes are already baked nbsmom Mar 2020 #94
She does have a path. She's not mathematically eliminated. Nor is Klobuchar... paleotn Mar 2020 #104
I'm not abandoning her xmas74 Mar 2020 #3
Apparently, people think that only old white men Bettie Mar 2020 #4
I really wish it could be her xmas74 Mar 2020 #5
It can if people like you and me vote for her loyalsister Mar 2020 #41
me, too, loyalsister. I see no reason to abandon her now. Our primary isn't until late April, CTyankee Mar 2020 #49
I don't see Bernie or Biden winning against Trump loyalsister Mar 2020 #52
But in the context of Trump, that changes everything. Folks weren't scared shitless of Trump then CTyankee Mar 2020 #54
If she makes a strong comeback, I'll support her... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #53
I'm voting for her xmas74 Mar 2020 #64
Another candidate I am exited about loyalsister Mar 2020 #67
Yinka is fantastic. xmas74 Mar 2020 #68
I've communicated with her via email loyalsister Mar 2020 #77
I don't see that as the case. xmas74 Mar 2020 #93
That is not it. IluvPitties Mar 2020 #10
How was that a non-issue? PTWB Mar 2020 #14
It was a non issue. Joe is an ally of black people. IluvPitties Mar 2020 #19
President Obama helped Joe a lot more than Joe helped President Obama. PTWB Mar 2020 #24
Sorry, but that's not what the bulk of his work shows. IluvPitties Mar 2020 #31
You honestly think Joe helped President Obama as much as Joe was helped by him? PTWB Mar 2020 #37
Yes actually, I worked the campaign...Obama was weak in the mid west. Biden handed him Ohio...he is Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #60
Obama picked Joe because of experience treestar Mar 2020 #99
Joe is forgiven for stuff Kamala was punished for loyalsister Mar 2020 #48
FFS then no white man can ever win again treestar Mar 2020 #100
Only when they deny their role in it loyalsister Mar 2020 #131
Ironic how gendered your language is in this post. loyalsister Mar 2020 #46
Gendered language? IluvPitties Mar 2020 #66
"soft vs. strong" is stereotypical gendered language loyalsister Mar 2020 #74
women just don't get that second look after a hiccup. men do. Kurt V. Mar 2020 #95
Joe and Pete went hard on Warren all fall and laid off Bernie completely. blm Mar 2020 #127
"Apparently, people think that only old white men are the only capable ones" left-of-center2012 Mar 2020 #15
I agree. This is maddening. LisaM Mar 2020 #25
Elizabeth Warren bdamomma Mar 2020 #30
That is where we're at. Very disappointing that we're "five gears in reverse." E. Costello Evolve Dammit Mar 2020 #88
Bettie. I did not think about dicks even once Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2020 #70
What of the past two nominees? treestar Mar 2020 #98
That's the way primaries work. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #6
I'm dense. This makes no sense to me. Either she is highly qualified or not. "Thinking" she Ninga Mar 2020 #11
She's highly qualified. Codeine Mar 2020 #18
At this point Chainfire Mar 2020 #92
Of course she's highly qualified. That's not the problem. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #20
Not qualified enough. LakeArenal Mar 2020 #26
Bc she won't be able to win. I love her and hope she runs in 2024. Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #8
My first choice was a woman Codeine Mar 2020 #9
Exactly! IluvPitties Mar 2020 #12
Unfortunately the country gets the President we deserve grantcart Mar 2020 #13
I'm a veteran of political campaigns...but to watch former professed supporters capriciously Ninga Mar 2020 #17
I don't think they are being capricious. They are making a rational choice. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #22
Believing in any politician Codeine Mar 2020 #23
Every candidate has a hard core group of supporters and the rest are fluid. Kaleva Mar 2020 #78
She is the most capable to bring necessary structural changes. blm Mar 2020 #16
That's just opinion. LakeArenal Mar 2020 #27
She's one of the few people who has done it in the past 5 decades. blm Mar 2020 #38
Bullpucky on that second paragraph. LakeArenal Mar 2020 #42
Wrong. The economic infrastructure that needs to be addressed has only ONE candidate blm Mar 2020 #110
Again, bullshit. LakeArenal Mar 2020 #119
Ok. What agency did Biden conceive, plan, fight for, and build that addressed blm Mar 2020 #125
Give it a rest. I don't care about what you think. LakeArenal Mar 2020 #128
Just calling bullshit on the bullshit. blm Mar 2020 #129
Says you. OMG what a pile this whole conversation is LakeArenal Mar 2020 #130
And it's also true that the nominee squirecam Mar 2020 #28
She has my vote duforsure Mar 2020 #21
She's not scaring anyone at this point LakeArenal Mar 2020 #29
She would make a great president but it doesn't seem it's her time. brush Mar 2020 #32
I'm very surprised, too. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #34
"supporters are abandoning their vote for her" left-of-center2012 Mar 2020 #35
They can't all win Progressive dog Mar 2020 #36
I'm not loyalsister Mar 2020 #39
I'm sure she'd make the best President Goodheart Mar 2020 #40
Sanders supporters are upset with Warren Gothmog Mar 2020 #44
The quality of our top two choices is rather sad actually BeyondGeography Mar 2020 #45
Very good analysis. MarcA Mar 2020 #114
Same here exactly mahina Mar 2020 #47
What state will Warren win on Super Tuesday. squirecam Mar 2020 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author mahina Mar 2020 #121
You don't have to. squirecam Mar 2020 #122
I don't know and you don't either mahina Mar 2020 #123
I think she is the best, but... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #50
I'm staying with Warren pattyloutwo Mar 2020 #56
I love her. But if she drops out now, zonkers Mar 2020 #62
Self Fulfilling Prophecy. Exactly. n/t MarcA Mar 2020 #115
Warren would be the most effective executive, as opposed to traditional male posturing dlk Mar 2020 #59
Lots! loyalsister Mar 2020 #65
Congress still has to pass the bills treestar Mar 2020 #133
This is why Warren would be the most effective dlk Mar 2020 #135
She is the most qualified and smartest tulipsandroses Mar 2020 #63
A Am All In for Her! McKim Mar 2020 #71
it's about who can better beat trump AlexSFCA Mar 2020 #75
She is eaily the best choice Buzz cook Mar 2020 #76
I'm still with her for now IronLionZion Mar 2020 #79
Your Right Woodycall Mar 2020 #80
Vote your own mind Tweedy Mar 2020 #81
She should drop out and free her delagates. A contested MRDAWG Mar 2020 #82
Fair weather friends jalan48 Mar 2020 #83
Nothing is settled yet cp Mar 2020 #84
I love Elizabeth MFM008 Mar 2020 #85
Reality today does not convert to reality tomorrow. Can not predict. Ninga Mar 2020 #89
If we have a brokered convention... caraher Mar 2020 #86
+1,000 n/t MarcA Mar 2020 #116
#DropOutWarren and #PrimaryWarren are totally uncalled for samir.g Mar 2020 #90
I just sent my Bernie vote in but I like & admire Warren. I believe she is more than capable yaesu Mar 2020 #91
i do and i won't. if she's not our nominee i won't care one bit who the president is. Kurt V. Mar 2020 #97
Yes, I think she would be a wonderful POTUS. warmfeet Mar 2020 #101
I believe she's the most capable... paleotn Mar 2020 #102
I have never believed she is the most qualified, experienced, or job-specific knowledgeable. emmaverybo Mar 2020 #105
Like all your arguments. gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #107
There are no "reasonable republicans" these days. I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2020 #118
No. It isn't as simple as that. I believe she is the most capable. I also believe she cannot Squinch Mar 2020 #109
Every one agrees. However. Not one person KNOWs she can't win. I will not stick my Ninga Mar 2020 #111
OK. And I don't KNOW that summer will be hot, but I'm pretty comfortable saying it will be. Squinch Mar 2020 #112
She is an ideal public servant BlueWI Mar 2020 #117
I'm not a fair weather fan hangaleft Mar 2020 #124
thank you LaurenOlimina Mar 2020 #126
Her Big Problem colsohlibgal Mar 2020 #134
 

Demsrule86

(68,631 posts)
1. You have to face political realities...and make the best choice you can when your candidate will not
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 11:51 AM
Mar 2020

get the nomination...I was a Deaniac...I get it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tweedy

(628 posts)
87. Did you vote for Howard Dean?
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:26 PM
Mar 2020

Or did you let a bunch of talking heads talk you out of it?

Maybe had folks stuck to former Governor Dean, we would not be where we are today.

Pundits are not sages. More importantly, a pundits definition of the best candidate is rarely reflected by lived reality.

We need to make up our own minds. That way is the path to success.

In 2008, the talk was very loud saying Barack Obama just could not win, the country was not ready. Many I knew were worried and did not vote for him on Super Tuesday. He lost my state.

Yet, Barack Obama went on to win and he won big because more of us stuck with our own beliefs rather than running to what we were told was the safer choice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

groundloop

(11,520 posts)
96. And furthermore, only a very small fraction of the country has already voted.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:48 PM
Mar 2020

It looks like we're going to base our choice on the results from just 3 states, 2 of them very lily white.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BComplex

(8,059 posts)
106. 4 states....2 of them lily white. (Iowa, NH, Nevada, SC)
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 03:13 PM
Mar 2020

I'm totally in favor of Elizabeth Warren getting elected, and I know that if people voted their hearts instead of trying to second-guess some pie-in-the-sky strategy, she would have had a lot more success in her delegate count.

I still hope she pulls a rabbit out of the hat.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tweedy

(628 posts)
120. Only if we decide to do so
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 07:12 PM
Mar 2020

Our vote belongs to us, alone

Imho

Without Elizabeth Warren on that stage, everything is worse

With Elizabeth Warren we win and we build a stable foundation under this country for the next half century.

But we can win with a potted plant
AND
Still we can build a stable foundation for the next century
It will simply be more difficult without Elizabeth Warren at the helm.

Regardless of agreement with me, your vote belongs to you. Vote your truth, not the belief of another wholly disconnected from you.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
2. She has no path to the nomination.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 11:52 AM
Mar 2020

Nt

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
33. Of course she does.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:15 PM
Mar 2020

538 currently says that the most likely outcome (59%) is that no one arrives at the convention with enough delegates. In that scenario, it is not impossible that someone who didn't come in at the top could still be the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
43. So the "path"
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:42 PM
Mar 2020

Is that someone fourth in delegates wins?

That isn’t going to happen.

Warren could throw her delegates to another, and maybe get a cabinet or VP slot. But there is no way that she gets the presidency.

It’s time to be realistic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
51. It's even possible that someone with no delegates at all gets the nomination.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:53 PM
Mar 2020

People have mentioned Sherrod Brown for example.

I'm not by any means saying I think Warren will get the nomination, or even has a decent likelihood of it. I'm just saying it's not absolutely impossible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to thesquanderer (Reply #51)

 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
57. Not necessarily.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:09 PM
Mar 2020

If you suspend, you stop actively campaigning.

Doesn’t mean you couldn’t come back in a severe emergency.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,631 posts)
58. No it is not possible.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:10 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
69. So why are you still supporting Amy? Just curious
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:51 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
108. I voted in Nevada.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 03:32 PM
Mar 2020

I still hope Amy wins Minnesota.

Yet I am realistic and expect her to suspend her campaign after Super Tuesday.

At that point, I hope she becomes Biden’s VP.

What I’m not going to do is hope for some contested convention, tearing the party apart, on some vain hope that a candidate finishing with little delegates becomes president. It’s nonsense and unrealistic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
113. Agree. But if Biden catches up and Bernie grows too
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 04:23 PM
Mar 2020

Won't we have a brokered convention?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

McKim

(2,412 posts)
73. Does Being Realistic Mean Giving Up Your Dreams?
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:02 PM
Mar 2020

Does “being realistic” mean that you give up your hopes and dreams and wait a few more years for some crumbs? As Mick Jasper famously sang in “Ruby Tuesday”, “Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind!”

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Shermann

(7,423 posts)
103. I had to be realistic about getting a job
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:56 PM
Mar 2020

...and give up on the rock star dreams.

So, yes. Sometimes. Unfortunately.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
132. That kind of thing is personal
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:07 AM
Mar 2020

about being positive about yourself. Politics requires working with others.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Curtis

(348 posts)
72. With respect
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:00 PM
Mar 2020

This is an exhausting statement. She has just as much of a path as the person you support (Klobuchar). The problem is that Americans have this overwhelming desire or need to be on the "perceived" winning team that they will abandon their own common sense in order to feed that need. I've never understood that need in my political life. I studied it through grad school and worked against it during my 20+ year career in the political arena. It's exhausting. People always say, "I love candidate x, but she/he can't win so I will vote for candidate y." What people do not realize is that if they didn't bail on candidate x in the first place she/he would freaking win and would have a path to the nomination. It's the most frustrating and crazy thing about American politics. You don't always have to vote for the perceived winner.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

nbsmom

(591 posts)
94. Even with a bump from SC, a considerable percentage of Super Tuesday votes are already baked
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:43 PM
Mar 2020

So who is really viable at this point? Biden who has had NO PRESENCE in CA? Or Warren who's polling at 17% and has much more organization and infrastructure in CA?

Remember in CA, many of the counties vote by mail, which means that a significant percentage won't be known for days or possibly weeks. The campaigns know this, so the rush to make it a cage match between Biden and Bernie is HORRIBLY premature. WE SPENT A WHOLE YEAR TALKING TO IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE and now we want to rush—or even negate—the votes in CA and TX? Warren has a LOT of support among the people who went for Bernie in 2016. (For all we know, Bernie is still counting them in his polling data because it makes him look more realistic.)

FTR, I and my family have already voted for Warren. We are #BlueNoMatterWho but want to support a candidate who will get things done and who will support the down-ticket races in CA and elsewhere. (Would prefer that Bernie isn't the candidate, as the candidates backed by Our Revolution in 2018 lost every race.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

paleotn

(17,937 posts)
104. She does have a path. She's not mathematically eliminated. Nor is Klobuchar...
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:58 PM
Mar 2020

The correct statement for both candidates is ....she has a very unlikely path to the nomination. Stranger things have happened, but at this point it doesn't look good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
3. I'm not abandoning her
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 11:52 AM
Mar 2020

But I always have a backup during the primary season. She will get my vote on March 10 but if she drops I'll be with Biden.

One of my friends is on his fourth backup now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bettie

(16,117 posts)
4. Apparently, people think that only old white men
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 11:52 AM
Mar 2020

are the only capable ones.

I'm so frustrated. She is amazing, but she's missing that crucial thing: male genitalia.

I really don't believe we'll ever have a female president, given what I'm seeing even around here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
5. I really wish it could be her
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 11:53 AM
Mar 2020

She's getting my vote on the 10th.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
41. It can if people like you and me vote for her
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:36 PM
Mar 2020

She will have a lot of votes in Columbia on the 10th. Bernie will have a lot of votes here, too. I don't know what the rest of the state looks like, but she is very strong here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
49. me, too, loyalsister. I see no reason to abandon her now. Our primary isn't until late April,
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:52 PM
Mar 2020

unfortunately, but if she is still in the running then I will vote for her

UNLESS

it is a Bernie vs. Joe choice. I must go with Joe. I have listened to Bernie (and even voted for him in our 2016 primary) and I do not feel he is substantial enough for me on the issues and is unwinnable against Trump.

But up to then, I am with Warren, supporting her principles and her policies.

AND WE NEED A WOMAN PRESIDENT!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
52. I don't see Bernie or Biden winning against Trump
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:55 PM
Mar 2020

Biden won the conservative Black vote in SC, but in other locales, he will be 2016 all over again.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
54. But in the context of Trump, that changes everything. Folks weren't scared shitless of Trump then
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:57 PM
Mar 2020

the way we are now. This is survival of our country at stake in the starkest terms.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,359 posts)
53. If she makes a strong comeback, I'll support her...
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:55 PM
Mar 2020

... in my primary. But it won’t Happen. There is no sign of that happening. I’ve sent her a ton of cash. I’ve done what I can.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
64. I'm voting for her
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:31 PM
Mar 2020

But current projections show Biden with a majority.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
67. Another candidate I am exited about
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:47 PM
Mar 2020

Yinka!! I really like the way he knows the details of the office he's running for and he's very dedicated to serving in the public interest. It's time to send the Ashcrofts home for good.
We have an opportunity to elect the first woman governor and the first non white person to a state-wide office in MO.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
68. Yinka is fantastic.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:48 PM
Mar 2020

You're in the Fourth,right? Have you met Lindsey?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
77. I've communicated with her via email
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:09 PM
Mar 2020

I was leaning towards Erich. She doesn't actually impress me, because I (and people like me) didn't even exist in her world view until I reached out. I will vote for her without a doubt. Very excited about Judy Baker.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
93. I don't see that as the case.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:42 PM
Mar 2020

She's from Marshall, went to MO Valley, raised by a state worker (caregiver in group homes). She's really into environmental law. A Marshall girl who graduated from Harvard Law is huge. She's young but very open to feedback, especially in person. She has a toddler at home and her husband is active duty Army. If elected she would be the first to ever serve in Congress with an active duty spouse.

(Also very knowledgeable about Syria.)

If you were closer I'd invite you to attend the Kirkpatrick Dinner in March in Warrensburg. Most of them will be there and it's a great opportunity to meet them one-on-one. Heck, if you can ever make it up here I'd invite you to any of our events.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
10. That is not it.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 11:59 AM
Mar 2020

She was ahead at one point, but went too soft on Bernie and did not look strong when pressed on MFA.

It's not a gender thing, IMO. I was for Kamala until she went violently negative on Biden on the STUPID non issue of busing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
14. How was that a non-issue?
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:01 PM
Mar 2020

I was for Kamala until she dropped out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
19. It was a non issue. Joe is an ally of black people.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:05 PM
Mar 2020

He helped President Obams to be successful. That's enough evidence right there, and black voters in SC showed their gratitude and support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
24. President Obama helped Joe a lot more than Joe helped President Obama.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:09 PM
Mar 2020

Kamala took offense to Biden’s unreasonable opposition to school bussing and his remarks about being bipartisan for working with segregationists (on issues other than segregation).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
31. Sorry, but that's not what the bulk of his work shows.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:13 PM
Mar 2020

He was Obama's right hand, and nothing will change that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
37. You honestly think Joe helped President Obama as much as Joe was helped by him?
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:24 PM
Mar 2020

I don’t dislike Joe but I don’t find that much to like about him either. He’s a solid Democrat but lord he seems so out of touch. Joe wasn’t my first choice. Or my second. Nor is he my third or fourth. I’d vote for Joe before Bloomberg but that bar is pretty low.

Harris > Warren > Buttigieg > Sanders > Biden > all others

Joe is no Barack Obama.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,631 posts)
60. Yes actually, I worked the campaign...Obama was weak in the mid west. Biden handed him Ohio...he is
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:12 PM
Mar 2020

well liked in Ohio and could actually win Ohio.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
99. Obama picked Joe because of experience
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:51 PM
Mar 2020

and spent a lot of time with him while they were in office. Obama knew Joe was a good running mate because Obama was somewhat liable to criticism of not having experience. Obama is smart, and knows how to pick people for advice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
48. Joe is forgiven for stuff Kamala was punished for
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:51 PM
Mar 2020

There is no clearer example of white male supremacy (as in an assumption white male superiority as part of conventional wisdom) than her and Booker's absence and Warren's losing ground.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
100. FFS then no white man can ever win again
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:52 PM
Mar 2020

just because that alone means white supremacy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
131. Only when they deny their role in it
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 09:14 PM
Mar 2020

Tom Steyer is one white man who takes responsibility for his past roles in white supremacy and commit to reparations. Bloomberg and Biden deny and defend their participation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
46. Ironic how gendered your language is in this post.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:46 PM
Mar 2020

"Too soft" "not strong" "violently negative"

Meanwhile n Joe pulls his tough guy routine, defends racist policies, hypocritically brags about the VAWA and has devotees who eat it up while he wins over Black voters who do know how to leverage political debt and angrily talks down to voters when confronted on his past. The disconnect is absurd.

No, Warren is not going to pull out the Scranton tough guy persona to attack Bernie because she has class and confidence and doesn't need to. That people think politicians need to take such positions reveals their insecurity. She doesn't play to the superficial reality TV watching public because she's the real deal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
66. Gendered language?
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:42 PM
Mar 2020

Jeez...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
74. "soft vs. strong" is stereotypical gendered language
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:05 PM
Mar 2020

It's possible too own and correct bias when it becomes apparent. Read and learn:


More recently it has been shown a “linguistic normativity effect” according to which people tend to compare groups or individuals by mentioning first the more powerful or higher status ones (e.g., “ Compared to men, women are . . .,” or “Compared to fathers, mothers are . . .”). This biased comparison implicitly favors the first mentioned group, which becomes the norm against which the other is compared (Pratto et al., 2007). Specifically, Bruckmüller et al. (2012) found that when men are mentioned as the referent group of comparison in a typically male (leadership) context, status inequalities are perceived as more legitimate and the gender stereotypes of men as agentic and women as communal are more readily endorsed. https://oxfordre.com/communication/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190228613.001.0001/acrefore-9780190228613-e-470

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
95. women just don't get that second look after a hiccup. men do.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:46 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

blm

(113,079 posts)
127. Joe and Pete went hard on Warren all fall and laid off Bernie completely.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 08:18 PM
Mar 2020

The women were treated differently for the most part and the backlashes against them were overthetop.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
15. "Apparently, people think that only old white men are the only capable ones"
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:03 PM
Mar 2020

Apparently you forgot Hillary Clinton was the candidate in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LisaM

(27,818 posts)
25. I agree. This is maddening.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:09 PM
Mar 2020

Dean's problem was a lack of specifics. I went and heard him speak and, while he seemed likeable and the crowd was enthusiastic, all I remember is "we're going to kick him out of Washington and send him back to Crawford!"

I saw Warren the other night, she was strong on specifics, got almost zero press coverage.

And she was excoriated when she pressed Bernie on his saying a woman couldn't win and he almost physically brushed her off. So when they say she wasn't tough on Bernie, look what happened when she even said one little thing.

M4A is a non-starter at the moment. Her pragmatism in realizing that shouldn't hurt her.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bdamomma

(63,913 posts)
30. Elizabeth Warren
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:13 PM
Mar 2020

is a very smart woman, and apparently smart women are demonized. Unfortunately, we are not in at that pinnacle of having a woman President as in other parts of the world, we have the other gender trying to thrust us back into the dark ages.

I for one want to live in the 21st century not the 1800's.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Evolve Dammit

(16,750 posts)
88. That is where we're at. Very disappointing that we're "five gears in reverse." E. Costello
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:27 PM
Mar 2020

They are coming after all New Deal programs and will keep going until slavery is back on the menu. We need Liz, Kamella and Amy to stay strong in the face of entitled, white "owners" who want it ALL. I'm looking at GOP mostly, but there is some in the Dem party as well. Liz would make a great running mate and VP at this point. I hope Sanders or Biden have the sense to conclude that. Bernie and Liz are so close ideologically, it would make total sense to get together now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
70. Bettie. I did not think about dicks even once
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:54 PM
Mar 2020

until you mentioned

For me it's was the person who had the best chance of beating Dipshit. If Warren had the highest gap over trump, she'd be the one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
98. What of the past two nominees?
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:49 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,792 posts)
6. That's the way primaries work.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 11:55 AM
Mar 2020

They are intended to winnow the field and choose the strongest candidate. If people don't think their favorite candidate has a good chance to win the nomination they'll switch to someone else. Sometimes you just have to be pragmatic, and in the immortal words of Mick Jagger, you can't always get what you want.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ninga

(8,276 posts)
11. I'm dense. This makes no sense to me. Either she is highly qualified or not. "Thinking" she
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 11:59 AM
Mar 2020

couldn’t win is not science.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
18. She's highly qualified.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:04 PM
Mar 2020

An argument could be made that she’s the most qualified by a fair margin, and it’s an argument with which I would agree.

But she’s losing. She’s losing badly. She didn’t connect with voters the way she needed to and thus she has no path to the nomination. Would that it were so, but it isn’t.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Chainfire

(17,582 posts)
92. At this point
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:40 PM
Mar 2020

I does't matter so much who is the most qualified when all of the Democratic candidates are far better qualified than the sitting President. All of the Democrats who have dropped out are far more qualified than the President, Hell, half of the prison population is more qualified than the D. J.

It is imperative that we run the candidate with the best chance of winning the White House. Whenever that shakes out we will all need to forget our favorites unless we want for more years of chaos.

This is what we are facing, and it is going to take a miracle:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/284156/trump-job-approval-personal-best.aspx

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,792 posts)
20. Of course she's highly qualified. That's not the problem.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:05 PM
Mar 2020

The issue for any candidate is whether they catch on with voters, and that's an intangible thing that isn't always based on qualifications - consider the fact that the most spectacularly unqualified person in the universe caught on with a whole lot of voters in 2016. I don't know why Warren isn't doing better - I like her a lot and I think she'd be a first-rate president. Sometimes candidates don't have an effective campaign organization or strategy. Sometimes their ads aren't effective. Sometimes they can't raise enough money. There are dozens of reasons why a particular candidate succeeds or not, and their qualifications (which different people weigh differently anyhow) is only one of them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
26. Not qualified enough.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:10 PM
Mar 2020

Joe started as the most qualified he’ll finish as such.

All the candidates were deserving. But only one can win. That’s the way it goes.

Your deserving is not the majority.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vivienne235729

(3,384 posts)
8. Bc she won't be able to win. I love her and hope she runs in 2024.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 11:56 AM
Mar 2020

Maybe by then we would have healed enough to get M4A going. But, right now, we need to kick trump's large ass out to the curb. The republic is hanging by a thread. She won't appeal to the moderates and right of center folks. She doesn't appeal to POC. She has much work to do.

But right now, I think she needs to stay in the race and keep her name floating for as long as she can.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
9. My first choice was a woman
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 11:56 AM
Mar 2020

and Warren is my strong second choice now, but her candidacy is in free fall and voters are naturally shifting their support to one of the two who can win. That’s just electoral politics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
13. Unfortunately the country gets the President we deserve
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:00 PM
Mar 2020

Warren is brilliant and I would have been delighted for her to unite the party and lead the country.

Her wealth tax is reasonable, effective, and doable.

Unfortunately I believe that her effort to take over Sanders in the Sanders' lane limited her campaign.

On the upside she will be one of the intellectual leaders in the Senate under a Democratic Administration.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ninga

(8,276 posts)
17. I'm a veteran of political campaigns...but to watch former professed supporters capriciously
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:03 PM
Mar 2020

toss her aside is painful for me.

I really believe in her.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,792 posts)
22. I don't think they are being capricious. They are making a rational choice.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:08 PM
Mar 2020

It might be a painful choice, but it's not capricious or treacherous.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
23. Believing in any politician
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:08 PM
Mar 2020

is a recipe for disaster. Politics is the art of the possible, and it is no longer possible for her to win. Now her supporters can choose to cast their vote for her knowing she won’t win (totally reasonable, and I’ve done that in the past) or shift their support to a front runner who most represents their goals.

Right now my goal is winning the election in November, so I’ve shifted my support to Biden, as I am of the opinion that Sanders cannot win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kaleva

(36,320 posts)
78. Every candidate has a hard core group of supporters and the rest are fluid.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:13 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,079 posts)
16. She is the most capable to bring necessary structural changes.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:03 PM
Mar 2020

That remains true.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
27. That's just opinion.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:12 PM
Mar 2020

I say Joe is most capable. 🤷🏼?♀️

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,079 posts)
38. She's one of the few people who has done it in the past 5 decades.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:28 PM
Mar 2020

Biden does not have the depth of knowledge, formed remedies, or experience in building the infrastructure needed to implement the change.

That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. I’ll be supporting him for sure, but, I’m not going to pretend Warren is lesser in the areas that need structural change.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
42. Bullpucky on that second paragraph.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:39 PM
Mar 2020

“Depth of knowledge” wtf.....

Worst opinion ever.

Talk about sour grapes. Bitter even.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,079 posts)
110. Wrong. The economic infrastructure that needs to be addressed has only ONE candidate
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 03:36 PM
Mar 2020

with the depth of knowledge and experience to implement a comprehensive reform.

She is the only candidate who HAS done it and one of the few people who has accomplished the task of building a complete new government agency from the ground up in our lifetime.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
119. Again, bullshit.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 06:42 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,079 posts)
125. Ok. What agency did Biden conceive, plan, fight for, and build that addressed
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 08:09 PM
Mar 2020

a significant problem in this nation and became a cabinet level agency?

You can call bullshit all you like but, just as I cannot say that Warren is the one with the foreign policy experience, you can’t say that Biden ever built a needed government agency based on his years of research, his ideas, and his remedial policy plans from the ground up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
128. Give it a rest. I don't care about what you think.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 08:43 PM
Mar 2020

Don’t care about what I think.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,079 posts)
129. Just calling bullshit on the bullshit.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 08:47 PM
Mar 2020

You know you stepped in it.

Fini.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
130. Says you. OMG what a pile this whole conversation is
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 08:49 PM
Mar 2020

I may have stepped in it but that’s cuz you are spreading it all over.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
28. And it's also true that the nominee
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:12 PM
Mar 2020

Will be Sanders or Biden.

I wish it was different. But wishing won’t make it so.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
21. She has my vote
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:06 PM
Mar 2020

And I think she's the most capable candidate that has the intellect and backbone to be able to hold these criminals accountable, and the others don't. Biden already had his shot to stop Putin, trump, and Moscow Mitch, and he failed, and Bernie has health issues, so she's easily my pick,. We need someone the wealthy are scared of, and that's her. She's also forward thinking , which others are not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,832 posts)
29. She's not scaring anyone at this point
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:13 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brush

(53,802 posts)
32. She would make a great president but it doesn't seem it's her time.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:15 PM
Mar 2020

There's a theory that things happen, or don't happen, when they're supposed to. Unfortunately, IMO, her time in the progressive lane at least, may have been in 2016 when many urged her to run as the progressive candidate but she declined, probably because she didn't want to run against Hillary, another woman.

And that in itself is sad since both would've been great presidents.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,182 posts)
34. I'm very surprised, too.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:16 PM
Mar 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
35. "supporters are abandoning their vote for her"
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:17 PM
Mar 2020

She's not shown an ability to win:

Iowa (she came in 3rd)

New Hampshire (she came in 4th)

Nevada (she came in 4th)

South Carolina (she came in 5th)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Progressive dog

(6,915 posts)
36. They can't all win
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:21 PM
Mar 2020

In a democracy, the people are the wind and you are unlikely to get elected if the majority of the people disagree with your proposed policies or with the focus of your policies.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
39. I'm not
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:31 PM
Mar 2020

She's my preferred candidate until she wins or drops out. I will be voting for her March 10th. I don't have a back up and will reluctantly vote for Bernie and even more reluctantly for Biden or anyone else if they are the nominated candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Goodheart

(5,334 posts)
40. I'm sure she'd make the best President
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:32 PM
Mar 2020

But she's going to be gone as a viable candidate by next weekend.

The choice will be Sanders versus Biden.

It's an odd thing... although Warren is closer to Sanders politically I'm going to be switching my vote to Biden. Hopefully he'll choose Mrs. Warren as his running mate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,443 posts)
44. Sanders supporters are upset with Warren
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:45 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
45. The quality of our top two choices is rather sad actually
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:45 PM
Mar 2020

For different reasons, both have “one term” written all over them. Ideally, Warren would be the oldest remaining contender and doing better with voters. Her campaign, of which she is admittedly in charge, would certainly do some basic things over again if they had the chance (and if they were honest with themselves). But I’m sticking with Warren because the alternatives don’t make sense to me as long as I have the chance to support her.

Before this primary started, I didn’t think Democrats were in a very good place as a party, and the way things have gone I’m feeling validated. Trump has voters completely freaked out and the obsession with electability has propped up Biden. Sanders is also a creature of 2016 issues. His policies are more forward looking but his base appears to be fueled by negative feelings about Democrats as much as it is about beating Republicans, and many Democrats can’t stand him. Both men are old. One lost his fastball somewhere between 2016 and 2019 and the other recently had a heart attack and won’t release his health records. We’re playing for the next election, and not very well at that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
114. Very good analysis.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 05:05 PM
Mar 2020

Sadly, many seem to be embracing the inevitability of either S or B rather than
voting their conscience while they can.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mahina

(17,685 posts)
47. Same here exactly
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:47 PM
Mar 2020

Until yesterday people were saying with all seriousness if Biden doesn’t win South Carolina he has to drop out. The race is not yet won or lost

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
61. What state will Warren win on Super Tuesday.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:13 PM
Mar 2020

As you say, Biden actually won SC.

If Warren isn’t even leading her home state, how can she claim any path.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to squirecam (Reply #61)

 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
122. You don't have to.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 07:25 PM
Mar 2020

She can’t. I expect her to withdraw after Super Tuesday.

The facts are that it’s now between sanders and Biden. No one else has a path.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mahina

(17,685 posts)
123. I don't know and you don't either
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 07:27 PM
Mar 2020

As long as she’s in the race o am for her because I think she would be the best candidate.

I like Amy too. She isn’t out and you support her. I don’t ask you to explain why or how she can win.


I can say that all in three words.


Cheers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,359 posts)
50. I think she is the best, but...
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 12:53 PM
Mar 2020

She can no longer win. It’s just reality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pattyloutwo

(279 posts)
56. I'm staying with Warren
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:07 PM
Mar 2020

Still only a small handful of states. If pundits were saying Warren could win Super Tuesday, she could win Super Tuesday. The polls and predicting become a self fulfilling prophecy. I think people should vote for who is the best candidate, not who they think can win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
62. I love her. But if she drops out now,
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:15 PM
Mar 2020

She might be able to be king maker for Bernie -- converting her earned political currency.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
115. Self Fulfilling Prophecy. Exactly. n/t
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 05:09 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dlk

(11,574 posts)
59. Warren would be the most effective executive, as opposed to traditional male posturing
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:11 PM
Mar 2020

She actually gets things done that help Americans and has reasonable plans to do even more. She seems to have been written off prematurely. How much is sexism playing into this primary?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
65. Lots!
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:41 PM
Mar 2020

She actually reminds me a lot of Obama. She's modest and ambitious in a way that makes sense (rather than aspiring to cure cancer or start a revolution). Voters seem to be ready to give in to sexism and racism way too easily. That is white male supremacy and exactly what is driving both Bernie's and Joe's popularity. I was so excited and am beginning to dread the general election. My strategy is to focus on local and state politics.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
133. Congress still has to pass the bills
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:08 AM
Mar 2020

That's not a matter of being a good executive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dlk

(11,574 posts)
135. This is why Warren would be the most effective
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 12:35 PM
Mar 2020

She has a proven track record of getting things done and getting her legislation passed through Congress, e. g., the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a very big deal, the otc hearing aid bill, etc. She is effective and works across the aisle as well as anyone.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
63. She is the most qualified and smartest
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:21 PM
Mar 2020

I will support whomever the nominee will be, but it has always been my opinion that she is the smartest and most qualified as far the person able to bring about structural change that moves minorities, the poor and middle class forward.


I have not heard anyone speak to black issues the way Sen Warren has. That's because she has actually listened to black folks on the ground and incorporated the needs of black folks into her policies. She did not just speak to "black leaders". If she is not the nominee, I hope she has a lot of say in the new administration.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

McKim

(2,412 posts)
71. A Am All In for Her!
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 01:58 PM
Mar 2020

I am all in for her! She would not waste trillions of dollars on wars of choice. It’s time for womens’ values to rule in this country! Day Care, Family Leave, College Help and Health Care help. She will not give in to the MIC!!!!!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
75. it's about who can better beat trump
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:06 PM
Mar 2020

no doubt Warren is a great legislator but policies are irrelevant in this election cycle. Winning is the only focus right now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Buzz cook

(2,474 posts)
76. She is eaily the best choice
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:07 PM
Mar 2020

No one is more highly qualified and no one willing to fight harder.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

IronLionZion

(45,484 posts)
79. I'm still with her for now
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:13 PM
Mar 2020

but when it comes down to Bernie or Biden, I'll see whose supporters insult me less

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Woodycall

(259 posts)
80. Your Right
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:17 PM
Mar 2020

I think we should call ALL of our elections when less than 2% of the vote has been counted... (sarcasm, of course).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tweedy

(628 posts)
81. Vote your own mind
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:17 PM
Mar 2020

We need the wisdom of the American people on this one. I don't pretend to have a monopoly on that by any stretch of the imagination.

Yet, I do know wisdom does not emanate from polls. It emanates from us when we pick based on who we believe would do the best job in this moment.

That is my message to everyone. Vote for who you believe is the right candidate. Don't let anyone, including me, tell you otherwise.






If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MRDAWG

(501 posts)
82. She should drop out and free her delagates. A contested
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:18 PM
Mar 2020

convention is not good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jalan48

(13,876 posts)
83. Fair weather friends
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:20 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

cp

(6,649 posts)
84. Nothing is settled yet
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:20 PM
Mar 2020

I'm watching the actual numbers from primary elections and waiting for large numbers of states/populations to weigh in, rather than listening to polls and pundits.

Will be voting for Warren in Wisconsin on April 7.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
85. I love Elizabeth
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:24 PM
Mar 2020

But reality is what it is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ninga

(8,276 posts)
89. Reality today does not convert to reality tomorrow. Can not predict.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:27 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

caraher

(6,279 posts)
86. If we have a brokered convention...
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:25 PM
Mar 2020

I want to send a delegate who had the sense to see Warren as the best president in the bunch, even if she doesn't wind up as the candidate.

I sent in my ballot for her as soon as I got it (March 10 primary).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

samir.g

(835 posts)
90. #DropOutWarren and #PrimaryWarren are totally uncalled for
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:30 PM
Mar 2020

Especially the latter.

Not cool, "bros".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
91. I just sent my Bernie vote in but I like & admire Warren. I believe she is more than capable
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:31 PM
Mar 2020

to run this country & being my second choice for primary I would enthusiastically support her if she gets the nomination. There are a lot of posts bashing our most progressive candidates & every website has its share of russian bots so don't take what is said online as the views of the general Democratic population.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
97. i do and i won't. if she's not our nominee i won't care one bit who the president is.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:48 PM
Mar 2020

Except trump of course.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
101. Yes, I think she would be a wonderful POTUS.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:52 PM
Mar 2020

I voted for her in the Minnesota primary this past Friday (early voting).

I will be voting for the Democratic nominee, whoever that turns out to be, in the general election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

paleotn

(17,937 posts)
102. I believe she's the most capable...
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 02:54 PM
Mar 2020

I just don't think she's the most capable of winning the primary at this point. NH had me very worried. It's right next door to home and they know who she is, but she still couldn't gain any traction. The realpolitik is people vote based on who they "like" whatever the hell that means. Not who's policy ideas would benefit the most people or even make the most sense. She's detailed and "in the weeds." That appeals to Vulcans like me. Most folks aren't Vulcans.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
105. I have never believed she is the most qualified, experienced, or job-specific knowledgeable.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 03:13 PM
Mar 2020

That would be Joe Biden.

However, she is a fighter, brilliant, and a great anti-corruption advocate.
Her forte is domestic economic policy, but that is an area in which the president has a limited influence. And it is by no means her only responsibility.

Warren lacks foreign policy and relations experience and interest. In fact, she never spoke much to issues other than her domestic plans. She never gained traction with AA voters. She did not articulate a broader message.

I think it possible had she not made a pact with Bernie and gone against him much earlier, she’d have been a much more appealing leader for progressives. Still, could she survive that cult of personality? I think some of her political moves were not the most wise.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gibraltar72

(7,508 posts)
107. Like all your arguments.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 03:20 PM
Mar 2020

However I am becoming resigned to Joe. I love the guy but I think he's out of step and has much to answer for. I will probably be all in when he releases the name of his reasonable Republican.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
118. There are no "reasonable republicans" these days.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 06:14 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,987 posts)
109. No. It isn't as simple as that. I believe she is the most capable. I also believe she cannot
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 03:35 PM
Mar 2020

win. That's not something I can change. And my opinion is that the only real goal is to get rid of Filthy Donnie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Ninga

(8,276 posts)
111. Every one agrees. However. Not one person KNOWs she can't win. I will not stick my
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 03:47 PM
Mar 2020

finger in the wind and guess where the wind might be coming from.

I am left to vote for whom I believe is the best overall balanced and smart candidate.
Warren.

Not one person KNOWs ...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Squinch

(50,987 posts)
112. OK. And I don't KNOW that summer will be hot, but I'm pretty comfortable saying it will be.
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 03:59 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
117. She is an ideal public servant
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 05:28 PM
Mar 2020

and a great candidate for office. It's unfortunate that Democratic voters so far have not supported her candidacy in larger numbers. She has very good administrative experience, vision, and legislative skills. I hope she does well in some of the States on Super Tuesday that are more open to her approach and persona.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hangaleft

(649 posts)
124. I'm not a fair weather fan
Sun Mar 1, 2020, 07:53 PM
Mar 2020

I’m sticking with the candidate who’s going to fight for us, not cave in the interest of non-existent bi-partisanship.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
134. Her Big Problem
Mon Mar 2, 2020, 10:19 AM
Mar 2020

Not so much her politics but her Gender.....other countries have Female leaders but it doesn’t seem like it will happen here anytime soon.

Of course right now we all need to support our nominee, as we have an evil, dumb, crazy tax cheat and other crimes Adult Baby in Office now. Any possible nominee we select is light years better than the Abomination we are stuck with now.

Again vote Blue no matter who.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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