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Bernie's 1978 New Year's Resolution: (Original Post) Donkees Feb 2020 OP
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"Mind destroying schools" lapucelle Feb 2020 #7
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Oh lort HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #31
That's about the biggest load of unsupported allegations I've read today. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #32
It's a literal endless supply of "WTF" HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #30
But you're still "undecided" right? ehrnst Feb 2020 #28
"Mind destroying schools...brought to us by a handful of power-hungry individulals lapucelle Feb 2020 #2
He was right. That's why we have right wingnuts. No thought process. brutus smith Feb 2020 #13
We have wing nuts and no thought process because of schools ... lapucelle Feb 2020 #34
Scary isn't it? HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #35
So you blame teachers for creating Hav Feb 2020 #44
I went to public school in the 70s. Much of it WAS mind destroying. PatrickforO Feb 2020 #18
it's like he sleepwalked through the past 40 years... beastie boy Feb 2020 #3
"Mind destroying schools..." lapucelle Feb 2020 #5
It's called moral conviction. Noticeable because it's kind of rare. JudyM Feb 2020 #9
It's called being a petrified fossil whom time forgot. beastie boy Feb 2020 #17
The use of "petrified fossils" is very funny to me. David__77 Feb 2020 #27
It is, isn't it? But the analogy fits. beastie boy Feb 2020 #36
Bingo! stopbush Feb 2020 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #12
Assuming you have a point here, it took him 40 years to gain "people's" trust. beastie boy Feb 2020 #20
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Hahahahahaha! HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #26
Unions are passe to some. David__77 Feb 2020 #29
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We will have to order everything from China via Amazon beastie boy Feb 2020 #45
Why then did he denounce his own staff for exercising their NLRB right to free speech? ehrnst Feb 2020 #46
You expect him to fail at being POTUS so badly, that he has to resort to ehrnst Feb 2020 #37
So he plans to go against the will of the duly elected congress who represent majority of Americans beastie boy Feb 2020 #40
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If you think he will fail so badly at being POTUS that he will have to call a general strike ehrnst Feb 2020 #42
When was the last time a POTUS called for a general strike? beastie boy Feb 2020 #43
But you're still "undecided," right? ehrnst Feb 2020 #24
+1000👍 sheshe2 Feb 2020 #33
Someone found Trump's 1978 resolution as well jayschool2013 Feb 2020 #4
Well, certainly can't fault Bernie for being inconsistent. PatrickforO Feb 2020 #6
... Donkees Feb 2020 #8
Like on the Brady Bill and the PCLAA? N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #22
Well, not the inconvenient parts, of course! How silly! NT Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #23
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #10
"Mind-destroying media"... he was on it long before it overtook our democracy. JudyM Feb 2020 #14
"Mind destroying media and schools"...Yes, he was on media. lapucelle Feb 2020 #21
BS "estwhile leader of Liberty Union, VT's much-weakened third party"... N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #15
So he was a nut then too. Great. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #16
Yeah, that will play well in suburbia. Sanders is the GOP DREAM OPPONENT bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #19
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Response to Donkees (Original post)

 

lapucelle

(18,346 posts)
7. "Mind destroying schools"
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:13 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to lapucelle (Reply #7)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
32. That's about the biggest load of unsupported allegations I've read today.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:28 PM
Feb 2020

And I'm guessing you'll find an excuse why it's not your responsibility to support your own words with objective evidence... I guess that's something not taught in home schools.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
30. It's a literal endless supply of "WTF"
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:22 PM
Feb 2020

And they think this stuff is POSITIVE!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
28. But you're still "undecided" right?
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:21 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,346 posts)
2. "Mind destroying schools...brought to us by a handful of power-hungry individulals
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:03 AM
Feb 2020

who own and control our country."

Mind destroying schools...



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brutus smith

(685 posts)
13. He was right. That's why we have right wingnuts. No thought process.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:17 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,346 posts)
34. We have wing nuts and no thought process because of schools ...
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:46 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
35. Scary isn't it?
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:53 PM
Feb 2020

Shit is getting cray.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hav

(5,969 posts)
44. So you blame teachers for creating
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:00 PM
Feb 2020

rightwingers? Is it their job to indoctrinate them with an ideology? That's the shit we usually hear from...well, rightwingers.
I guess that's that's the kind of argument you get when everything BS says has to be taken as gospel.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatrickforO

(14,592 posts)
18. I went to public school in the 70s. Much of it WAS mind destroying.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:26 AM
Feb 2020

Now, it is much worse, I think. Kids learning 'creationism'. Jefferson Davis getting equal time in textbooks with Lincoln. New Math. Whole Language.

I went to a very good elementary school and we learned phonics, grammar and spelling, memorized multiplication tables, learned the basics of life and physical science. I can't remember much social studies there, though I'm sure we had it.

Then I did my sixth grade school year in Lubbock, TX. That was a holy roller joke.

Junior high and high school were OK, but by the time I got there were watered down. I would never have gotten the education I did if I weren't a voracious reader, and didn't like historical novels.

I'm not going to cut Bernie down for saying THAT in 1978, for sure. Remember the old Pink Floyd song off Wish You Were Here?

Welcome my son.
Welcome to the machine.
Where have you been?
We know where you've been.

You've been in the pipeline,
Filling in time.
Provided with toys,
And scouting for boys.

You didn't like school.
But you know you're nobody's fool!

Welcome to the machine.

It was like that for me, I think.

Though, to be fair, I should point out that it was during this era that the Republican fear mongering was gaining a foothold. There were plenty of drugs, but all the kids were tired - Vietnam was over. The Civil Rights Act was passed. The seventies was kind of a 'me' decade, you know?

Then my cohort all got jobs and/or went to college or vo-tech. And we worked. I've been a work now for over 45 years.

It IS a machine, and if you listened to George Carlin, you knew the rich didn't want us to think or be able to reason or God forbid be politically active. Nope. They wanted us to be obedient workers.

Now, about 43% of the people are that. Their minds are essentially destroyed.

Then, you have a huge swath of people who can't even tell you the basics of how our government works.

There's just a few of us, but we're products of the machine as well.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(9,457 posts)
3. it's like he sleepwalked through the past 40 years...
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:07 AM
Feb 2020

Not even his vocabulary changed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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lapucelle

(18,346 posts)
5. "Mind destroying schools..."
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:12 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JudyM

(29,280 posts)
9. It's called moral conviction. Noticeable because it's kind of rare.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:15 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

beastie boy

(9,457 posts)
17. It's called being a petrified fossil whom time forgot.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:25 AM
Feb 2020

His "future" is nothing more than a long-forgotten past. Young Bernie supporters haven't learned the lessons of history, and are doomed to repeat it.

A curious and depressing coincidence: two years after Bernie's full of moral conviction resolution, Reagan won the Presidency in a landslide, and Senate went Republican for the first time in 28 years.

Not a good time to bring this up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

David__77

(23,520 posts)
27. The use of "petrified fossils" is very funny to me.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:21 PM
Feb 2020

...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

beastie boy

(9,457 posts)
36. It is, isn't it? But the analogy fits.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:25 PM
Feb 2020

40 years, and even the wording didn't change...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to beastie boy (Reply #3)

 

beastie boy

(9,457 posts)
20. Assuming you have a point here, it took him 40 years to gain "people's" trust.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:28 AM
Feb 2020

In this kind of timeline, how long do you think it will take him to get M4A, or any part of his platform, passed?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
26. Hahahahahaha!
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:20 PM
Feb 2020

“General strikes”

If I were to vote in a presidential
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David__77

(23,520 posts)
29. Unions are passe to some.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:22 PM
Feb 2020

...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to David__77 (Reply #29)

 

beastie boy

(9,457 posts)
45. We will have to order everything from China via Amazon
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:03 PM
Feb 2020

That's frightening indeed! Especially to Jeff Bezos. What will he do with all the extra billions he makes? He will have to invest all of it in the emerging markets!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
46. Why then did he denounce his own staff for exercising their NLRB right to free speech?
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 02:28 PM
Feb 2020
The NLRB found this rule to be unlawful and explained: “Employees have a statutory right to speak publically about their complaints or concerns with their terms and conditions of employment, including to the press, without employer authorization.”


https://www.natlawreview.com/article/can-you-terminate-employee-talking-to-press


"It does bother me that people are going outside of the process and going to the media," he said. "That is really not acceptable. It is really not what labor negotiations are about, and it's improper."

Sanders said, ahead of a weekend Iowa campaign swing: "We are disappointed that some individuals have decided to damage the integrity of these efforts. We are involved in negotiations. And some are individuals that have decided to damage the integrity of that process before they were concluded."


https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2019/07/19/bernie-sanders-campaign-staff-wage-15-hour-union-elizabeth-warren-campaign-wages/1781159001/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
37. You expect him to fail at being POTUS so badly, that he has to resort to
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:26 PM
Feb 2020

trying to convince people to strike in order to get anything done?

You really don't have much confidence in him, do you?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(9,457 posts)
40. So he plans to go against the will of the duly elected congress who represent majority of Americans
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:45 PM
Feb 2020

then he plans to use what I assume you describe as organized labor to engage in economic sabotage to disable the government...

May I remind you that this is populist thuggery our founding fathers warned us about?

Organized labor is a small and dwindling minority in this country. Labor, on the other hand, includes people like lawyers, corporate managers, engineers, and, believe it or not, government employees. They are all salaried workers. How many of them will strike to grind the country to a halt, bringing untold havoc to their lives?

Labor in the US ain't what it used to be, considering, among other things, automation, the global nature of supply and distribution chains, as well as workforce itself.

Hence the reference to a fossil and the young people who haven't learned anything from history.

...Another 40 years, if we are lucky and the country doesn't go to hell in a basket? Perhaps.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
42. If you think he will fail so badly at being POTUS that he will have to call a general strike
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:49 PM
Feb 2020

in an effort to get his policies enacted, why do you promote him as a candidate?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

beastie boy

(9,457 posts)
43. When was the last time a POTUS called for a general strike?
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 01:57 PM
Feb 2020

Imagine that he does, and the Congress votes immediately to make all strikes and unions illegal. How much support do you think he will have in Congress after he fails to convince Congress in the first year to go along with him? Will he then ignore the rule of law and disband Congress?

This smacks of a banana republic populist authoritarianism. And this is exactly why Sanders is so dangerous to the Republic.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
24. But you're still "undecided," right?
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 12:15 PM
Feb 2020

"People trust him."



https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — As a congressman in the 1990s, Bernie Sanders expressed an openness to making “adjustments” to the tax and benefit structure of Social Security. He also praised an overhaul of the social safety net program signed into law by President Ronald Reagan that reduced benefits and increased taxes on working families.

Sanders’ presidential campaign and allies have highlighted similar remarks by Joe Biden to attack the former vice president and make the explosive charge that Biden was an outspoken proponent of slashing the program.


https://apnews.com/31c432f20acba807a569c7004abaf473

Sanders camp admits anti-Warren script was deployed in multiple early states
Sanders initially attributed the talking points to rogue staffers, and supporters launched an online campaign to convince people the document was fake.









https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=bernie-sanders
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jayschool2013

(2,313 posts)
4. Someone found Trump's 1978 resolution as well
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:09 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatrickforO

(14,592 posts)
6. Well, certainly can't fault Bernie for being inconsistent.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:12 AM
Feb 2020

That's what a lot of people like about him. Super Tuesday coming up...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,346 posts)
22. Like on the Brady Bill and the PCLAA? N/T
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:32 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,394 posts)
23. Well, not the inconvenient parts, of course! How silly! NT
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:34 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,425 posts)
10. Kicked and recommended.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:15 AM
Feb 2020

Thanks for the thread Donkees.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JudyM

(29,280 posts)
14. "Mind-destroying media"... he was on it long before it overtook our democracy.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:17 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,346 posts)
21. "Mind destroying media and schools"...Yes, he was on media.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:29 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,346 posts)
15. BS "estwhile leader of Liberty Union, VT's much-weakened third party"... N/T
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:21 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,394 posts)
16. So he was a nut then too. Great.
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:22 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bucolic_frolic

(43,307 posts)
19. Yeah, that will play well in suburbia. Sanders is the GOP DREAM OPPONENT
Thu Feb 27, 2020, 10:26 AM
Feb 2020

Nothing could help Trump more than to nominate Sanders

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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