In 1987, Sanders said JFK made him nauseous; now he praises him in new ad

[TomCADem]

Is Bernie being hypocritical? He is pushing an ad featuring JFK, who is about as clear of an example of an establishment Democrat as can be, even though he has said that JFK make him "physically nauseated."

https://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/In-1987-Sanders-said-JFK-made-him-nauseous-now-he-praises-him-in-new-ad-614335

Presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders has launched a new ad praising John Fitzgerald Kennedy on Monday, despite in the past he had very harsh words about the former US president, to the point of saying that he "nauseated" him.

America chose to go to the moon not because it was easy, but because it was hard, Kennedy argued in footage included in the 30-second clip, where Sanders states that the slain leader knew that the US gives its best before significant challenges and not small ones.

However, Sanders did not always seem so impressed with the leader's record. In an interview with a university newspaper a little over 30 years ago, on the contrary, the Democratic Vermont Senator even said that Kennedy's position about the Cuban Revolution appalled him.

"President Kennedy was elected while I was at the University of Chicago, that was 1960. I remember being physically nauseated by his speech and that doesn't happen very often. He debated Nixon on Cuba. And their hatred for the Cuban revolution, both of them, was so strong," Sanders said in a 1987 interview to Gadfly, a student newspaper at the University of Vermont.

[DanTex]

1. LOL.

[TomCADem]

2. If Women Who Voted for Trump Can Laugh ...

...at Trump's comments about assaulting women, it is not a surprise that Bernie's campaign might be amused by Bernie's misrepresentation to voters that he somehow admires or aspires to be like JFK.

[DanTex]

3. LOL. Assaulting women? You're comparing this to that? LOLOL!

[TomCADem]

5. So Bernie Is Blatantly Misrepresenting to Democratic Voters His Views on JFK...

...and he also includes pictures of FDR, another establishment Democrat, and all you can do is laugh?

Bernie is not the victim. Democratic voters are. Does Bernie even have any basic decency to tell Democratic voters the truth regarding how he has elevated himself by tearing down the Democratic party, then he places an add where he misrepresents that he somehow admires or aspires to be like JFK or FDR.

I have no doubt that like you Bernie probably thinks its hilarious how he can get away with an ad that is so misleading.

Of maybe I am mistaken. Perhaps you disagree that his add is misleading. If so, then please feel free to explain.

[dumptrump1]

11. he was referring to JFK and Nixon's anti Cuba rhetoric specifically

During the debate with Nixon. Not that JFK as a whole was making him nauseous. Context is usually helpful. Sure Bernie's just a few hairs short of a full blown sandinista, but let's get the context right.

[Progressive2020]

14. Thanks

Thanks for an honest post. Bernie is a Lefty. Some people will demonize him because of this. Glad to see that there is some sane opposition out there. Definitely good to get the context right.

[TomCADem]

15. So Bernie Is Playing An Ad Featuring Two Rich Establishment Democrats...

...from two political dynasties and no one considers that a tad disingenuous or hypocritical?

Link to tweet

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[dumptrump1]

17. Agreed with the hypocrisy but we were talking about whether jfk made him sick

He never actually said that

[Hassin Bin Sober]

9. I know, right? This is getting comical.

[TomCADem]

19. That is the thing. Bernie Pushes an Ad Feature Two Rich Establishment Democrats

We are talking the Roosevelts and the Kennedys and Bernie supporters have no problem with the hypocrisy inherent in such an advertisement given Bernie's history of statements such as this:

Link to tweet

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This is why I just can't jump on the bandwagon of this cult of personality that seems to be at the heart of the Bernie campaign. Bernie attacks the establishment, then pushes an ad that glowingly portrays and compares Bernie to a Kennedy and a Roosevelt.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

20. Oh really. Do tell.

[mr_lebowski]

4. FFS ... he didn't say "JFK Made Him Nauseous" in the sense anyone understands the phrase

He said a SPEECH by the man made him nauseous.

I'm so fcuking sick of this kind of spin, from all sides.

Srsly ...

[SCantiGOP]

12. Right, lebowski

The OP title is shameful.

[PatSeg]

6. When I saw the ad

I thought it was a bit inappropriate, considering his comments about Kennedy and the Cuban revolution, but I just bit my tongue on that one. There are more serious issues to address I suppose. Still thought it was odd to use JFK in his ad.

[Progressive2020]

7. 30 Year Old News

If you have to dig back 30 years to a student newspaper for dirt on Bernie, that is sort of sad. Hey, maybe we can find an essay he wrote in the third grade where he insults George Washington? It is laughable.

[sheshe2]

16. Welp.

Progressive2020
7. 30 Year Old News

If you have to dig back 30 years to a student newspaper for dirt on Bernie, that is sort of sad.

Some have to dig back 40 years to show his support/protest/arrest for civil rights. He was arrested while chained to an unconscious black woman!!!!!

Sad, isn't it?

[Gravitycollapse]

8. More FUD. More neo-Red Scare.

[TexasTowelie]

10. I thought that Bernie was known for his consistency? nt

[Progressive2020]

13. Consistency

Sanders is remarkably consistent. People have to dig back more than 30 years to find something untoward he said in a student newspaper in 1987. It is laughable. Maybe we can find an essay that he wrote in third grade where he insults George Washington?

Here is a secret- Bernie is a bit Lefty, and may have said something mildly controversial about it 30 years ago! Bernie is far from perfect, but no one is perfect. The guy has more or less had the same positions his whole life. Consistent. Could Bernie maybe disavow his old sympathies for lefty types and lefty politics? Maybe it would help his campaign, but Bernie is just stubborn and he is who he is. So even if it might help him get elected, Bernie is not going to be anyone other than who he is.

Whether people like him or not, he has stuck to his course his whole life. His principles are not cooked up in a political marketing meeting, and he does not change positions in hopes of getting more votes. He is who he is, whereas some other candidates are perhaps more changeable and prone to triangulating in hopes of a win. Sanders is sincere and consistent, whether you agree with him or not.

[TexasTowelie]

18. Bologna.

He has changed positions on a number of issues over the years, those mentioned in the OP and gun control just to name a couple.

Don't insult me with talk about Bernie being consistent when the truth is that he changes positions on a regular basis. I know better.

[Gravitycollapse]

21. When we speak of consistency, we don't mean he literally never changes his mind.

We are saying that he defies the tendency in politics for politicians to form beliefs that are politically expedient.

[TexasTowelie]

22. .

So you don't believe that Sanders ever behaves in a politically expedient manner?

Take that bologna somewhere else because it isn't selling here.

[Gravitycollapse]

23. Never? Of course not. He's still a politician. But he's better than the others.

[TexasTowelie]

24. If you have to explain things and then invoke caveats,

then the premise of your argument fails. It's like trying to prove a theorem in geometry and steps 3 through 12 becomes "something magical happens." See how well you would fare in geometry class pulling that bologna.

[Gravitycollapse]

26. I've been insulted a lot of ways. But no one on DU has ever said I'd fail geometry.

I applaud your creative thinking.

[Progressive2020]

27. Exactly

His principles and positions are consistent. The tactics that he uses to promote those principles and positions might be calculated, but the principles and positions themselves are remarkably consistent over the years. So, yes, Bernie is consistent, but he is also a pretty skilled politician. Which is a pretty decent combination in my book. I have seen a number of politicians with few or no other principles than getting elected. They change course every time the wind shifts. Bernie is not like that, whether people like his views, or not. So, you are right on target, Gravitycollapse.

[Progressive2020]

25. No

I am not insulting you. I don't even know who you are. And people's ideas and positions might evolve and change over time. Sanders included. Still, he has been pretty consistent in his language, views, and positions for many years. No need to take that personally.

[TexasTowelie]

29. I didn't take it personally.

To clarify, please don't attempt to deceive me that Bernie has been consistent when his viewpoints do change when it is politically expedient. He has changed positions on gun control, immigration, work visas, and disability policy. I do not consider his policy views to be consistent.

[Progressive2020]

30. Nope

I have no interest in "deceiving" you. You seem easily offended. Have a good night!

[David__77]

28. As an aside, some people honored FDR and opposed Japanese internment.

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[Gothmog]

31. sanders needs to apologize for his past remarks

Link to tweet

[subana]

32. I suppose we shouldn't be too surprised

especially since his recent statements regarding Cuba.

yes, JFK debated Nixon about Cuba but they also debated a lot of other issues too!

[Raine]

33. Over 30 years ago

people can change their minds, geesh!

[TomCADem]

36. Has He Changed His Mind?

It seems like his campaign still revolves around running against the Democratic "establishment" even though he has been a member of Congress since 1991, and has caucused with the Democratic party.

[yaesu]

34. define nauseous

Like, I can get nauseous when I really excited about someone.

[blue-wave]

35. Frankly, I would have expected nothing less from Bernie

He and his followers seem to have an almost cult-like fixation for the Cuban revolution and Castro. JFK defended the United States from the likes of the murdering totalitarian dictator that was Castro. Castro wanted to nuke us. JFK ultimately saved the United States and the world from nuclear annihilation. And we hear a lot of screaming at us that the U.S. is bad and Castro with his buddies are/were good. I will not stop saying it: Castro was a murdering totalitarian psychopath. There is no net plus to his reign, just a huge amount of human suffering and blood.

And now, aren't the Bernie folk calling Bernie's campaign a "revolution?" Haven't I heard something like "join the revolution" from Bernie and his comrades? Hmmm, just add all the "revolution" revelations together, what do we have?

Rest in peace President Kennedy. And a heartfelt thank you to you and your family for your service to and sacrifice for our country.