Bernies Proposals

[SDANation]

Okay, this is a post just about the economic and culture of the US in regards to Bernie sanders. Let’s start with what he wants, Medicare for All, free college tuition, free childcare and family leave,up to a limit and the green new deal.

So let’s take a country that provides these services from the government, minus obviously the green new deal. Denmark is one of the closest and often touted by progressives as successful and scores high in citizen happiness. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-01-20/why-danes-happily-pay-high-rates-of-taxes
But the average Dane pays around 45% income tax for these services. It works for them because it’s been their way and culture for over 30 years.

How do you sell a 45% tax rate to an single American that keeps themselves healthy and makes 50k a year? I personally don’t foresee the average American brought up in our culture and society, one that over values individual liberty and work hard until you succeed, approving and voting for someone who will increase taxes to almost 50% to pay for all of these proposals.

As far as healthcare goes, the universal system they have is based on preventative medicine for 5.6 million citizens. We have 398 million americans we have to cover. We currently don’t have that system in place across the US. ACA was based on preventative medicine delivery but it’s big failure lies in the fact that as far as health goes, a vast majority either doesn’t care enough about their health, see rising obesity rates, or have a complete lack of education regarding their health. I know this because I work in healthcare and we have a constant stream of people coming in and out of the hospital that are there because they for example, stopped taking their cardiac meds, stopped checking their blood sugar, didn’t watch what they ate and had a massive heart attack with out of control cholesterol. If you implement Medicare for all, your inundating a fundamentally broken healthcare system with these patients and money that should be used on building the ACA. Look at the VA as an example of how the government runs healthcare. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/09/16/staff-veterans-hospitals-lead-federal-government-criticizing-their-employer-far/gHc8SYqcVze3tk2Xn8YAeI/story.html%3foutputType=amp It will bankrupt the US health system.

So either sanders is being plainly disingenuous or he simply “doesn’t know”. Either way, all those things sound great but are losers going up against trump and “his economy” 🙄. He plainly will never get them passed and those who love it and think he will, will be introduced to another politician who lies to your face to get your vote.

[guillaumeb]

1. From your excerpt:

If you implement Medicare for all, your inundating a fundamentally broken healthcare system with these patients and money that should be used on building the ACA. Look at the VA as an example of how the government runs healthcare.

We know it is broken. Should we continue to repair a broken system that is broken, in large part, because the people who profit from the current system profit from it?

[SDANation]

2. Like I said, you improve the ACA

You improve the ACA, fund primary care and more MD’s to become primary care docs and make it generally easier to see a doc before you get really sick and you rapidly improve outcomes without wasting taxpayer dollars.

[guillaumeb]

4. The ACA subsidizes the insurance industry,

and even under the ACA, health outcomes are worse than in single payer countries.

There is no rational need to involve outside, non-healthcare providing companies in healthcare, except to provide a profit opportunity for those companies.

The US system is ranked 37th.

[SDANation]

3. My point is if you don't improve the base of care

and just throw money at the system, we are getting the same or worse outcomes. The other problem with ACA, was that now that these really sick people, that through often no fault of their own, finally had insurance cause massive spikes in cost of health care delivery.

[guillaumeb]

5. I agree with those points.

I apologize if you thought I did not.

But improving the base of care involves providing primary and preventative care, and there is more money in other types of care.

[SDANation]

6. 100%, that's why

we have a problem with primary care dying do to MD’s going to specialty instead.

[Ron Green]

7. Are you dissing the VA health care system?

In my experience the care is first-rate, timely, comprehensive and free.

Thank you for paying for it. I’d gladly pay for yours as well.