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LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 06:41 PM Feb 2020

I wish someone would poll likely shifts in support.

I'm not certain Biden automatically gets the Warren, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar voters. I'm wondering which direction they might jump if their candidate drops out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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I wish someone would poll likely shifts in support. (Original Post) LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 OP
Good question Mike 03 Feb 2020 #1
He would need their endorsements. And doubt they would give it. Funtatlaguy Feb 2020 #2
Not according to the poll. Pete's followers are not big Biden fans. LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #10
The Biden followers numbers do not make sense to me: Moderateguy Feb 2020 #12
DU diehards tend to be more doctrinaire than the public at large. LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #13
That makes sense.. Thanks! Moderateguy Feb 2020 #14
Always an interesting question judeling Feb 2020 #3
Valuable information Mike 03 Feb 2020 #6
Morning Consult tracks second choice picks Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #4
Thanks! That's what I wanted. LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #5
You're welcome! Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #7
yes that is true judeling Feb 2020 #8
I think Biden is more interested squirecam Feb 2020 #9
see above for the link LaurenOlimina Feb 2020 #11
 

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
1. Good question
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 06:46 PM
Feb 2020

Last week's debate had me wondering if the campaigns were doing internal polling on exactly this (second choices, voting shifts from candidate A to candidate B) that might possibly explain some of their more puzzling strategic decisions during that debate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Funtatlaguy

(10,875 posts)
2. He would need their endorsements. And doubt they would give it.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 06:49 PM
Feb 2020

Most of Amy and Pete go to Biden. Most of Warren go to Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
10. Not according to the poll. Pete's followers are not big Biden fans.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 08:54 PM
Feb 2020

According to the poll mentioned elsewhere: https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

Warren followers go:
Bernie Sanders
38%
Amy Klobuchar
16%
Joe Biden/Pete Buttigieg
14%

Pete followers go:
Michael Bloomberg
22%
Amy Klobuchar
22%
Bernie Sanders
20%

Biden followers go:
Bernie Sanders
33%
Michael Bloomberg
24%
Elizabeth Warren
14%

They didn't rank Amy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Moderateguy

(945 posts)
12. The Biden followers numbers do not make sense to me:
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:04 PM
Feb 2020

Bernie and Biden are miles apart on policy. It just does not sound plausible that Biden supporters would go to Bernie as their second choice. Same for Sanders supporters 2nd choice: 24% Biden and 15% Bloomberg? How are they able to justify from wanting M4A, free college, student loan forgiveness to switching to a candidate who do not support those policies?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
13. DU diehards tend to be more doctrinaire than the public at large.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:13 PM
Feb 2020

It gives a false sense of clarity that does not match up to the reality of the public at large. For many, Bernie is the next strongest Democrat. He has a large campaign machine, credibility, authenticity and a clear message. If your number one reason for selecting Biden was the untried assertion that "he could beat Trump," then when Biden tanks, you'll go with the next Democrat in the line. Hell, 20% of Bloomberg supporters say Bernie is their second choice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Moderateguy

(945 posts)
14. That makes sense.. Thanks!
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 09:15 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

judeling

(1,086 posts)
3. Always an interesting question
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 07:15 PM
Feb 2020

It will depend on the order they drop out actually and the state.

First you have to understand the second choices in the main are not initially deeply considered choices. People just don't look to hard at the next in line. That changes a bit over time.

When actually tracked with panels it appears that people only land on their stated second choice around 30% of the time at least initially.

Looking at the caucuses for a clue it appears that Klobuchar voters when given a choice tend to go to Warren and Biden in about equal numbers. Buttigieg voters tend to go to Klobuchar Biden and Warren in about equal numbers. Warren voters tend to go to Klobuchar then Sanders the most. Most of the Steyer voters in Nevada looked to have gone to Sanders but that may be misleading demographically.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
6. Valuable information
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 07:51 PM
Feb 2020

especially that sentence about stated second choices materializing about 30% of the time.

That might complicate efforts to formulate certain aspects of strategy, such as whom to attack (unless a candidate subscribes to the theory you always attack the front runner).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
4. Morning Consult tracks second choice picks
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 07:33 PM
Feb 2020

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

It is a graphic about halfway down the page. You have hover or tap the candidate's picture to see where their support would go according to their poll.

It's a national poll, and I dont know how accurate it is, but it has been interesing to watch the trends over time.

They'll probably release updated results in a day or two, they poll nonstop and release updates once a week.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
5. Thanks! That's what I wanted.
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 07:45 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders gets 20% of Klobuchar and Buttigieg supporters, 33% of Biden supporters and an unsurprising 38% of Warren support.

He has a lower unfavorability rating than Biden, Bloomberg, Warren or Gabbard.

He is likely to be a strong second choice at the moment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
7. You're welcome!
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 07:56 PM
Feb 2020

I'm a bit of a polling nerd this time around. I constantly have to remind myself that probably half or more are probably bunk, lol. But the trends and patterns are so interesting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

judeling

(1,086 posts)
8. yes that is true
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 08:13 PM
Feb 2020

And more so whe you map out actual results to the polls.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
9. I think Biden is more interested
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 08:18 PM
Feb 2020

In where Bloomberg voters go if they start to dislike him. Most of them seemed to come from Biden, so hopefully they return to him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LaurenOlimina

(1,165 posts)
11. see above for the link
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 08:57 PM
Feb 2020

BLOOMBERG SUPPORTERS
Second Choice Selections
Joe Biden
28%
Pete Buttigieg/Bernie Sanders
20%
Amy Klobuchar/Elizabeth Warren
10%

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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