Anand Giridharadas calls out Chris Matthews for Bernie Sanders smears

[BigBearJohn]

Anand says "Something is happening in America right now."

[Sherman A1]

1. I could not find a direct contact to M$NBC for a comment

So I suggested on their Facebook page that Chris Matthews needs to be fired. I would urge others to look for means to contact them and push for the same.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

4. Right there with you!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Farmer-Rick]

26. Bernie and Elizabeth would be a dream team.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. Sure would!! I'm 90% confident it WILL happen!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Mila18]

34. Two from New England on the same ticket?

I don't think that will play well in the rest of the country.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Riiiight! Peeps can't ever even name who the VP is, but they'll worry what state they're from!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Farmer-Rick]

37. Actually, a lot of people around me here in the deep red south like Bernie.

True the people in power don't like him here, but the trailer dwellers, waiters, small poor farmers and organic farmers are Not adverse to him. I heard a few compliments about his Medicare for all plan. I never heard compliments about any other Democratic candidate.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

49. Yessss!! Bernie's kik'n arse down in Texas and in other southern states!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[HopeAgain]

23. Somebody posted a link

on Reddit for reporting a website problem so we are flooding that. Unfortunately things I link to through reddit app don't show up in my history so I don't have the URL

[Tarc]

2. Chris Matthews remarks are deeply antisemitic, and need to be addressed by MSNBC

There's no place for this sort of thing.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

3. Matthews needs to go... but then he's needed to go FOR YEARS!! This latest disparaging remark...

about Bernie is nothing new!!


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Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[NurseJackie]

10. No they weren't.

[karynnj]

30. Even if not "antisemitic", they are beyond inappropriate

It does not even matter that Bernie is Jewish and lost family in the Holocaust. I think what Matthews was speaking of was that it has been a long time since a grassroots effort, not backed by the establishment, has won the type of victory Sanders did in Nevada. (Hillary, Obama, Kerry, Gore, Bill Clinton 1992 and Dukakis all had establishment support - even if they were not the favorite.) You likely have to go back to Gary Hart to have an insurgent candidate in the primaries. However, I doubt that Matthews would use a Nazi comparison in Hart's case.

Matthews has long had a need to better filter the thoughts that come out of his mouth. I remember made many sexist (and negative) comments about Hillary in 2008, then later that year made comments on Palin being attractive. He also was completely impressed with Bush landing (no, he didn't) a helicopter on a ship before giving a speech in 2004.

[NurseJackie]

36. ...

[karynnj]

39. I guess that's all you have to refute what I wrote

You really should not have bothered. Comparison of anyone to the Nazis is almost always a really stupid thing to do.

[NurseJackie]

44. I stand with Matthews.

You really should not have bothered.

Seriously? So why did you bother to respond to me? If the manner in which I replied was so inconsequential, why reply to me at all? It must have made some impact. Clearly my message was understood, otherwise you'd not be here poking me again. Is having the last word so important?

Comparison of anyone to the Nazis is almost always a really stupid thing to do.

Oh please. That's not what he was doing an you know it. So much fretting and hand-wringing. I've never seen such delicate sensibilities on display.

He's not going to apologize. He's not going to get fired. You all just need to get over it and move on. So much poutrage and obsessing over yesterday's news. Ugh.

[jmg257]

18. Yep Raynauld telling Churchill "It's Over!" Is totally anti-Jewish.

[HarlanPepper]

50. I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.

[Tarc]

55. "Sat Feb 1, 2020, 04:12 PM"

[HarlanPepper]

56. That's amaaaaaaaazing

[dchill]

5. That was a great conversation!

[redqueen]

6. "Richsplain"! LOVE IT

And his analysis of why Zuckerberg shouldn't be listened to about education, or ANYTHING...!

[Baitball Blogger]

8. +1

[denem]

16. +1

[radius777]

7. A-hole Anand just doesn't like that CM is anti-Bernie,

which is CM's right as an opinion journalist/talking head.

There was nothing that CM said that was inaccurate or anti-Semitic.

This is all about the Berners trying to 'work the refs' and stifle critique.

Nicole Wallace, Joy and others were speaking about this the other day.

[Act_of_Reparation]

12. "There was nothing that CM said that was inaccurate or anti-Semitic"

I'm reasonably certain that had Chris Matthews compared Joe Biden to the German army on the Blitz people would be burning Tweety Bird in effigy. Also, paragraphs can be cool.

[whathehell]

17. CM is very moderate and anti-progressive,

which makes him anti-Bernie & anti Warren...He says a lot of dumb things, but anti-semitic he's not. If he were, he'd be taking shots at Bloomberg too.

[Act_of_Reparation]

29. That assumes anti-Semitism requires intent.

It doesn't. You don't have to hate Jews to say something anti-semitic any more than you have to hate people of color to say something racist. Never mind that bloviating gelatinous shitheel compared a man whose extended family was murdered by nazis to the goddamned nazis, he also reinforced the popular trope of the scheming Jew bent on world domination. Whether it was intentional doesn't make the slightest difference.

[whathehell]

57. I'm sorry, but I I don't thiink the remark was anti-semitic.

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People make those over the top statements all the time about
Right Wingers of all backgrounds. The fact that he said it about a Jewish man makes it insensitive, but not anti-semitic

[radius777]

21. If you watch the entire segment, CM was speaking

about how primaries suddenly end where one candidate is uncatchable, and how the primary process benefits factional candidates who can beat a divided field, and that he believes Sanders would get destroyed by Trump based upon the oppo research the GOP has on him.

"I'm reading last night Bryan, I know you're a history guy too. I’m reading last night about the fall of France in the summer of 1940, and the General Renault calls up Churchill and says, ‘It’s over.’ And Churchill says, ‘How can it be? You got the greatest army in Europe. How could it be over?’ He said, ‘It’s over.’ So I had that suppressed feeling. I can't be as wild as Carville but I think he's damn smart and I think he's right on this one." Matthews said.

[knightmaar]

20. He compared a Jew to the Nazi army.

Anytime you want to compare someone to the Nazis?
Take a deep breath and think about what you're doing.
That may not have been intentionally anti-semitic, but it was fucking awful.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. Fair point!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[jmg257]

43. More precisely, he compared the primaries to Raynauld's statement about the fall of France

i.e: "Its Over".

Was it actually more nefarious than this?

[knightmaar]

45. No, it's nothing more than that.

It's Reynaud calling Churchill, saying "It's over."
"How can this be?"
"It's over."

But the sub-text is, Matthews could have picked any other example of a surprising victory and went with Nazis.

[jmg257]

46. Thanks. Pretty sure I have seen CM do that before based on something he is reading at the time.

Ah well...it is not worth losing a job over.

[knightmaar]

54. No, I'm not about to demand his firing

That's just dumb. He reached for an analogy without thinking.
Sure, it's his job to think on his feet, and he ought to have considered it.
But it's not like he suddenly showed some kind of cruel streak of bigotry or something.

[HarlanPepper]

51. Oh so now we're into theorized subtexts.

[knightmaar]

53. WW2 is not a theory, neither is the holocaust

When you use an example, you get all of that example.

If a teacher separated a class into two groups, you wouldn't say, "Just like how Mississippi used to separate black and white students."

There's an underlying meaning there that's just completely inappropriate.

[democrank]

9. A worthwhile conversation.

Many times voices like Anand’s get drowned out by the rat-a-tat-tat from insider pundits. I get tired of listening to the Let’s Not Ever Rock The Boat crowd. Too many of them apparently think the only way forward is a teeny little baby step....providing today’s systems and paths remain intact.

People in history who have caught my attention were those who had the insight for fresh ideas and the commitment to seeing them through. We went to the moon, didn’t we?

[sheilahi]

11. Gentlemen, start your engines

And let the circular firing squad begin.

[Happy Hoosier]

13. Something is happening in America right now.

A major party is committing electoral suicide and dooming the nation to destruction under Trump.

[radius777]

14. Oh, and Anand tried to imply that Jonathan Capehart

was somehow was bought by Bloomberg.

Capehart, a gay black man and highly respected journalist - was trying to explain why some black voters (like his own grandmother) support Bloomberg, that he does donate to liberal causes (like climate change), that his legacy is more complex...

Anand then got pissy and tried to imply Capehart was bought off - all because Capehart once worked for Bloomberg (which he did disclose before the segment).

[bonniebgood]

28. J.Capehart did disclose.J Capehart also disclosed that his husband CURRENTLY works for Bloomberg. n

[radius777]

33. So? Capehart's journalistic integrity is rock solid. /nt

[HarlanPepper]

52. Anand is 20 pounds of sanctimony in a 10 pound bag

He and his hair gel can go fuck themselves.

[gab13by13]

15. Why does anyone watch Tweety?

It goes back to when he and Phil Donahue were arguing over our invasion of Iraq. Tweety, although he denies it today, was pro Iraq war, Donahue was anti-Iraq war. Tweety was partially responsible for getting Donahue fired.

They had news people go on Jeopardy a few years ago, anyone remember? Wolf Blitzer was the dumbest and Tweety was a close second.

I give zero credence to what Tweety says.

You bet your boots Tweety is anti-Bernie. Anyone remember during the 2015 primary when Tweety had Jonathan Capehart on and he brought an old newspaper clipping that showed Bernie fighting for minority housing. Capehart accused the person in the paper of not being Bernie, accused Bernie of lying about fighting for minority housing and Tweety agreed with him. It turns out that person in the paper was Bernie but I never heard Capehart or Tweety apologize to Bernie for smearing him on national TV.

What Tweety said about Bernie is Fox News stuff. I thought that Democrats were better than that. I don't say anything negative about any of our candidates and will "gladly" support our nominee.

[McKim]

19. Chris Matthews is Rude and Behaves Like a Bully

Chris Matthews is rude to guests and behaves like a bully. This is trumpesque behavior that really has no place in civilized political discourse. His remarks are over the top and in very bad taste.
He is the Limbaugh of the moderates. All blather.

[Dustlawyer]

25. I remember seeing that.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

41. Tweety has BELOW zero credibility!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[AverageJoe]

22. Matthews remark, bad as it was

becomes much worse when you consider it in the context of his earlier insinuation that a Sanders victory would mean firing squads in Central Park.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

42. Excellent point!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[Butterflylady]

24. No way!!!!!

[stonecutter357]

27. I am boycotting MSNBC until chris matthews is gone !

[Evergreen Emerald]

31. Smear? IT IS TIME TO SHOUT FROM THE ROOFTOPS

before our Democracy is completely flushed.

[PatrickforO]

38. A change of paradigm! Aristocrats defending a dying aristocracy.

A referendum on billionaires.

Bloomberg runs as incorruptible because he's a billionaire, yet has done much to contribute to the problems we have today through his work the financial industry on Wall Street.

This was very good! I did not know Joy was from CO. I like her and Rachel most among the MSNBC people, and Lawrence. And this Times guy? Pretty astute observations.

Maybe populism IS where we're headed. Maybe Bernie's political revolution IS happening. I know my family voted for Warren in the primaries because we liked her policies, which are quite close to Bernie's. I'm sick of billionaire parasites squeezing the rest of us. Tired of getting nickel and dimed. Sick of declining purchasing power. Tired of getting less for MORE in healthcare. Sick of the forever wars.

The giant tax cut, Citizens United, the utter corruption in national government - revolving doors, super pacs, lobbies, think tanks. What, I ask, and Bernie is asking, about the American people?

How does a new space force help us? Why can't we have healthcare? We pay taxes. Why can't those be used to make our lives better instead of throwing massive amounts of money at 'defense?' How come we can't have fair trade instead of free trade? Why is college so expensive, and why do our children have to become slaves to student debt just to get a degree so they can have a decent job?

Why are immigrants bad? Why do we have these concentration camps? How come prisons are now private for-profit? How does that help us? In fact, how does hatred and mistrust directed toward people of color help any of us?

And why should we be scared of a better tax code that helps us live better lives? Of expanding things like Social Security?

These questions are now, apparently, being asked much more widely in this country.

I and many of my friends have been asking these questions for decades. Now it is nice to see a wider swath of Americans asking them.

FINALLY!

[LiberalFighter]

47. Anand Giridharadas is an MSNBC analyst?

Of what? Not even going to bother checking this out.

[33taw]

48. I am not a fan of Bernie (but, working on it), however, Chris Matthews needs to be gone.

This reference was just inappropriate. He can take Kornacki with him. I can’t stand watching that guy slice and dice everyone into a group just to fill air space.