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Julian English

(434 posts)
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:18 PM Feb 2020

Why do so many Sanders supporters think he lacks the skills to build a coalition?

I pose this serious question, based on the assumption that Sanders wins a plurality.

A skilled politician who wins a plurality in the primaries should be able to assemble a majority coalition. Creating a consensus is a skill a leader needs. A plurality gives a politician a powerful tool to creates this consensus.

A politician who alienates all but his base destroys the power of the pluraiity, and such a politiician will have considerable trouble.

Apparently, many Sanders supporters don't think Sanders has the ability to create a consensus. Rather they Sanders as a person who alienates much of the majority who didn't vote for him.

We repeatedly have to hear that if Sanders gets a plurality, he'll be robbed. Beyond showing an ignorance of the nomination process, this shows a lack of faith in Sanders' political acumen. After, if they think Sanders is a good leader, they presumably should think he has the skills to build a coalition.

But I don't see any of them making this argument. They instead predict being robbed by the majority who didn't vote for Sanders (or as the Sanders supporters frequently call this majority, "The Establishment).

Why is it that Sanders supporters have such a low opinion of Sanders' abilities as a leader and of the majority of Democratic voters?

ETA: A number of Sanders supporters have already claimed the premise is not true. However, they offer no evidence it isn't. I disagree. I hear it over and over. Let me offer this thread Sanders could win the votes and lose the nomination. IS THAT DEMOCRACY? as just one piece of evidence the question a solid foundation in fact. You can find plenty of evidence elsewhere--but you have to open your eyes and your mind to see it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Why do so many Sanders supporters think he lacks the skills to build a coalition? (Original Post) Julian English Feb 2020 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #1
Sanders dosent want a one evertonfc Feb 2020 #2
We don't think that. DanTex Feb 2020 #3
I am thinking I need to wash socks ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #6
That's because there are so many people TELLING the same story over and over Scotch-Irish Feb 2020 #4
We don't. Premise rejected. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #5
I believe you need to look at the evidence. Julian English Feb 2020 #7
wait what? Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #11
Never saw any major piece of legislation by sanders in the Senate with a coalition, beachbumbob Feb 2020 #8
Who says this? I know Sanders can build a strong coalition. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #9
I don't understand? Sanders supporters like myself know he can build a coalition. We Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #10

Response to Julian English (Original post)

 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
2. Sanders dosent want a one
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:22 PM
Feb 2020

He's an ideologue and anyone that disagrees is a corporate shill or elite. He will bring some new voters on board but get absolutely crushed in a GE.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
6. I am thinking I need to wash socks
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:29 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Scotch-Irish

(464 posts)
4. That's because there are so many people TELLING the same story over and over
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:24 PM
Feb 2020

and over and over and over and over.

That somehow Bernie should be hated by everyone but a cult following. That's just so much BS, but you hear it on MSNBC and on DU over and over and over and over.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Voltaire2

(13,070 posts)
5. We don't. Premise rejected.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:27 PM
Feb 2020

That nonsense comes from his opponents.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Julian English

(434 posts)
7. I believe you need to look at the evidence.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:43 PM
Feb 2020

The idea that Sanders could win a plurality and not win the nomination has been a trope repeated and repeated on DU and other places. I edited my original post to give this example, a thread today in DU: Sanders could win the votes and lose the nomination. IS THAT DEMOCRACY?

If you or I chose to do the search, we could find this sentiment repeated over and over, that Sanders could win a plurality but not get the nomination.

The thread I cite and similar such laments clearly imply that some Sanders supporter have no faith in Sanders' skills a coalation builder, no faith in the Democratic Party, or no faith in both.

Can you explain them? Or do you choose to ignore the evidence?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Voltaire2

(13,070 posts)
11. wait what?
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 07:01 PM
Feb 2020

You've changed topics from "he cant work with others" to "he isn't going to get a majority of the delegates", and your evidence that Sanders supporters think he can't build coalitions is apparently their perhaps well founded fear that the animosity toward Sanders from 'party leaders' might result in the awkward situation where super delegates hand the nomination to 'anybody but bernie' despite his having a large plurality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
8. Never saw any major piece of legislation by sanders in the Senate with a coalition,
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:43 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
9. Who says this? I know Sanders can build a strong coalition.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:44 PM
Feb 2020

He’s already doing it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
10. I don't understand? Sanders supporters like myself know he can build a coalition. We
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:50 PM
Feb 2020

talk about facts and statistics that show just that. But it’s a losing argument here.

Just look at statistics from NV. Bernie leads with progressive and liberal self-identifiers. But he is an extremely close 2nd to Biden among self identified moderates. He is also doing great with people over 45. He is doing great with all minorities but also leading with whites.


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