Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumprimary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Something I posted elsewhere:
Russia will do anything to undermine any candidate who becomes the frontrunner. I'm sure Russia is aware of the perception that Sanders can't win, so they're going to exploit that for all it's worth.
I think that perception is false. I know you disagree and I respect your opinion. But that perception seems to be based largely on false assumptions about so-called independents, moderates, undecideds, etc. And the notion that 2018 was the result of Trump voters switching sides (stated repeatedly by a DU poster and echoed by others). I say false assumptions because of the following:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-moderate-middle-is-a-myth/
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/what-everyone-gets-wrong-about-independent-voters/
https://www.vox.com/2016/1/22/10814522/independents-voters-facts-myths
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/10/18076872/trump-46-percent-solition
Regarding the first 3 articles, those who self-identify as such and such are all over the map ideologically-speaking and the vast majority of so-called independents are completely wedded to a particular party. It's a myth that there's this large mass of astute, consistent middle-of-the-roaders with some well-defined "moderate" ideology, who are just waiting to see which party will put up the candidate closest to the center.
Many people, especially young people, are starving to vote for someone who dreams big and will fight for a future that isn't filled with misery (many people recognize that that's where we're headed with the status quo, Trump or no Trump). From the first article: "Anybody who claims to have the winning formula for winning moderate, independent or undecided voters is making things up. Perhaps more centrist policies will appeal to some voters in each of these categories but so will more extreme policies." Many of those so-called "extreme policies" poll very, very well.
As for the 4th article, what happened is we saw Dems break turnout records. It wasn't that Trump voters switched sides, or that anti-Trump Republicans came to our rescue in droves. That simply isn't what happened. So, what did happen? Well, for instance, every single major ethnic and racial group had a greater increase in turnout from one midterm to the next (in this case, 2014 to 2018) than ever before in US history. And the age group that had the greatest increase in turnout between 2014 and 2018 was the 18-29 age group (20% in 2014 to 36% in 2018).
Yes, it's true that many moderates flipped districts (while some others lost statewide races for the US Senate). It's also true that some very progressive candidates got elected. We can have a more moderate candidate win a district while also having a very progressive candidate win a national election. Those aren't mutually exclusive events, especially at a time when the driving force in the US as a whole is an opposition to the status quo, a general sense that we're in grave danger and that the US is - in the words of Howard Zinn - "topsy-turvy." A whole lot of people desperately want fundamental change.
So, yeah, I think Sanders can win states such as PA, MI, AZ, etc. Regardless of who our nominee is, I think it'll be a close election.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)And some nonvoters are more likely than others to engage:
Theyre younger, more urban, more female, more black and Hispanic on average and have a clear orientation toward the Democratic Party, says Stephen Hawkins, More in Common's director of research. But they feel disaffected and cynical toward the system so they are less inclined to vote as a whole.
This group closely mirrors one of two camps that Ibram X. Kendi, founding director of American Universitys Antiracist Research and Policy Center, has called the other swing voters, the ones who chose not between voting for the Democrats or the Republicans but rather between Democrat and not voting at all....These passive liberals stand in stark contrast to a larger mass of nonvoters who are far more profoundly disengaged from and disinterested in politics.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jmg257
(11,996 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided