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Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:01 AM Feb 2020

When Putin decides to "help" any Democrat during an election Putin wins.

Putin wins whether that candidate welcomes so called "help" or denounces it. And he wins no matter how that candidate subsequently fares in the election. The stronger the feelings associated with the candidate run, the more Putin wins. The more loyal that candidate's backers are, and the more determined that candidate's opponents are, the more Putin wins. The grounds for intense division are established.

It becomes a ploy that Russia can't lose no matter who emerges victorious from our primaries. Democrats are so high strung at this stage in an election cycle that we reflexively pass on charges and counter charges, including those that cross over into full blown conspiracy theories about possible "collaboration", without need of further Russian guidance. With the specter of "election interference" thrown into an already volatile primary mix, we have more reasons not to trust each other. let alone the motives of various Democratic candidates jockeying for some kind of electoral advantage. Let alone the election process itself.

The Russian Bear does indeed exist, but now it is glimpsed behind every tree. How can we trust any election outcome once the Bear, through means still cloaked in shadows, has "meddled"? And where does it leave us if we can't trust the legitimacy of our elections, after they become viewed as "tainted"? Exactly where Russia wants us.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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When Putin decides to "help" any Democrat during an election Putin wins. (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 OP
The Russians will make easily-found-out token efforts, to "help" the Dem nominee RockRaven Feb 2020 #1
It is hard to constructively speculate Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #2
 

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
1. The Russians will make easily-found-out token efforts, to "help" the Dem nominee
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:08 AM
Feb 2020

just to de-legitimize the result in the case that they win. That will sow discontent within the US, after all.

But that is a separate strategy from their parallel purpose of not having a US government which turns all of the tools at its disposal towards making Russian criminals pay a price for their criminality. Supporting Trump falls into this basket (and also the first one).

Which basket(s) does Russia boosting Bernie fall into from the Russians' perspective? That is something that people ought to make an effort to understand before they cast their vote.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
2. It is hard to constructively speculate
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:20 AM
Feb 2020

when a goal of Russia's intervention is to make us second guess everything. If one basket could be to literally influence the actual outcome, the bigger one is to trash our faith in our democratic system and the results of any election, while overall sowing division..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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