Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumPoll: Voters say Biden's conduct with women should not disqualify him
A majority of registered voters say allegations that former Vice President Joe Biden inappropriately touched several women should not disqualify him from seeking the White House in 2020, according to a new Hill-HarrisX poll.
The survey, conducted on Thursday and Friday, found that 56 percent of respondents said Biden's conduct should not be viewed as disqualifying. Twenty-three percent said it should be, and 21 percent said they were unsure.
A majority of women and Democratic respondents said the allegations should not prevent him from running for president.
Biden is widely expected to declare his third White House bid, despite accusations from at least seven women who say he touched them at public events in ways that made them uncomfortable.
https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/437552-poll-voters-believe-bidens-conduct-with-women-should-not?userid=229233
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Time to move on!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)who has a spotless record in this era of #MeToo, to challenge the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief. Why take a chance??
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
But is that poll for Democrats or general population?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dubyadiprecession
(5,714 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)wait
fuck that
then they win
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MH1
(17,600 posts)If it's what I remember hearing about, you can forget that "spotless record".
Won't matter if it is really old. How someone could think like that and write about it ... at any age ... wow.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nolabear
(41,986 posts)But as a writer Ive killed a dog, had a character say terrible things about a disabled person, had a terrible bully become a fine human being, insulted a veteran, and shown a gay teenager doing some mean, vengeful things. So writers write stuff.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
louis c
(8,652 posts)Link to accusations against Sanders' campaign
Link:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/26/sexual-harassment-claim-painful-bernie-sanders-town-hall-sot-vpx.cnn
and while we're at challenging Trump and we need a spotless record, when do you think BS and Jane will show us their taxes?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)not Sanders. Even a moron should be able to spot the difference.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
louis c
(8,652 posts)If the Trump campaign colluded with Russia, does Trump hold any responsibility?
The poster mentioned "spotless". Even a moron knows what "spotless" means.
And, by the way, not one accuser has claimed that Biden sexually harassed or assaulted them.
Not so, the BS campaign. A far more pervasive and repetitive environment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)We are talking about Biden's PERSONAL behavior. If you want to compare apples to apples, talk about Bernie's PERSONAL behavior. If you want to knock down a straw man, talk about the behavior of random people in his campaign. Oh, and bring the receipts. I am always impressed with receipts.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
louis c
(8,652 posts)and BS knew, or should have known about sexual harassment in his campaign.
No accuser claims Biden did anything sexual in nature. The vast majority of Americans know the difference between what Biden (the poll is a receipt) did and Trump did. And what BS didn't do to protect women in his campaign.
By the way, when will BS and Jane show us their taxes? How can we make not disclosing a candidate's taxes and issue against Trump if BS is the nominee?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 5, 2019, 10:15 PM - Edit history (1)
The point is, the 2020 election is too crucial to take ANY chances this time around. And Biden's making questionable, non-funny "jokes" at his first public appearance during a union speech... what was that?!
Biden's video the day before was an excellent attempt to put this issue behind him... then, BOOOOOM!! Now, CNN (not Faux News) is running with all these new video clips at the union speech and panels of Democratic women questioning whether Joe gets it.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
louis c
(8,652 posts)...as was alleged by numerous women in the BS campaign, and non-sexual actions that make a person "uncomfortable" is vastly different.
You used the word "spotless", as if BS had to answer to nothing on the subject.
In the mean time, releasing a candidate's taxes will be front and center in the debate during the election. The only two candidates who refuse to release their taxes are Trump and BS.
That means BS can't raise that question at all during the General Election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Each of them are human beings with flaws. Each of their flaws will be magnified 10,000X. And if, by some miracle, we found a truly spotless candidate, they'll just make something up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)of defeating the tRumpster Fire.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)It may matter in the primary. But in the general, the candidate will automatically get 45% of the vote and the rest will be based on the candidate responds to accusations and how they look in the media and on the internet. Trump taught us that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)Honestly, the only two candidates I've said anything negative about whatsoever have been Gillibrand (Franken, past pro-big tobacco, anti-immigrant, anti-gun control positions) and Tulsi Gabbard (anti-Obama, pro-Assad, defends Trump). I hope to keep it that way, but honestly... "spotless"?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)"I didn't end up doing it because I didn't win the nomination, if we had won the nomination we would have".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Mind you, I don't think either should disqualify him but 23% of the country would find a reason to disqualify any Democrat. What about the amount of voters who say we shouldn't elect a socialist president?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)People think that candidate originated and engineered the smear on Biden. Biden was also killing that cnadidate in the polls.
Coincidence?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)So, using YOUR odd logic, that makes ALL the other candidates, whom Bernie is killing in the polls, PRIME SUSPECTS, right?!?! They're obviously trying to set Bernie up... and don't forget Flores attended a Beto rally just before coming forward with her #MeToo accusations against Joe. Hmmmmmm...
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)and those candidates' supporter was not on the board of our revolution.
Please look at the whole picture.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Your point certainly raises a factor worth considering... but, by your own logic, it seems you are conveniently ignoring other factors that cut against your argument.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie has NEVER been accused of inappropriately touching women... he's the kind of squeaky clean candidate we need to challenge the Pussy-Grabber-in-Chief. We can't afford to take any chances this time in 2020.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)of unwanted touching seriously... notwithstanding the fact that Flores was one of the women who helped to bring improprieties in Bernie's campaign to light. Nooooo... she can't be trusted!! Riiiiiiight!! Instead, let's demean and ridicule her!!
I don't get it in this day and age of #MeToo.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Second, to many people who have experienced real sexual assault and harassment, these "improprieties" are nothing more than unsupported character attacks that demean and degrade the whole concept of #MeToo.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Even JOE has said as much, so you're also disagreeing with HIM, not just ME!! And then, of course, after believing these women long enough to take their claims seriously, Joe is free to defend himself, as he seemed to do quite nicely in that video he just put out saying he "gets it"... but then, a mere TWO DAYS later, he's making jokes about these incidents at the union speech he gave?! I don't get that one at all!! Joe certainly shouldn't be making light of women's objections to unwanted touching... how is that a good political move??
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)as a politically motivated attack.on a good guy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Spotless, lol.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)'Our new CNN poll puts Sanders favorable rating at 46% compared to an unfavorable rating of 45% among registered voters. This is only the latest poll to have Sanders at basically even in his net favorability rating (favorable-unfavorable). A Quinnipiac University poll from late December gave the Vermont senator a net favorability of just +2 points. An average of all recent polls put Sanders' net favorability at about -1 points
Maybe he shouldn't be the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,304 posts)that they wanted to take him down.. saying he shouldn't run.. and it's not working.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)She has a history of attacking Sander's enemies,
her interactions with Biden before and after the alleged incident belie any discomfort,
nobody witnessed this in a very crowded venue,
the details of her story changed over time, and
multiple observers say they saw nothing of the sort, or any opportunity for it to occur.
Add to that her invoking Stephanie Carter, who has debunked the claims about her interaction, and the fact that she is promoting her online merchandise. I simply don't believe her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
louis c
(8,652 posts)...Democrats should stop eating their own over every trivial matter. And I say "trivial" because even the accusers say that Biden's conduct was not sexual in nature, nor was it harassment or assault.
And let's remember that this non-sexual encounter was just a chance meeting and a single episode. No one says that it was a "traumatic" experience.
If Biden had conducted himself with any of these women, individually, on numerous occasions after he was told that his actions made them feel uncomfortable, he would be wrong. But a single encounter in which no sexual touching or discussions took place? Come on, give me a break, we may as well all just live in a bubble.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
demosincebirth
(12,540 posts)keep Biden out of the presidential race.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)unwelcome touching incidents a mere TWO DAYS after putting out that video saying he "gets it"?!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
demosincebirth
(12,540 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)His latest jokes he made at the union speech is a PERFECT example of why... he makes to many unforced errors. I LOVED the video he made two days ago explaining how he "gets it." Indeed, it was brilliantly done... then he had to go and BLOW IT!!
Now, all the media wants to talk about is how Joe DOESN'T get it!! That's not MY fault... that doesn't mean I dislike Biden. I simply dislike how he handles political situations and unnecessarily gives ammunition to the other side.
Can you REALLY not see the difference?! Knowing that, do you REALLY think we should take a chance nominating Joe?!
I just think we should go with more of a sure thing, like Bernie... or Elizabeth... I could even see going with Mayor Pete, a relative newcomer to politics.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
louis c
(8,652 posts)I support all the Democrats in the race. Biden is my first choice.
BS is number 19.
The only time I would consider voting for BS is if he is running against Trump. Then BS has my vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
louis c
(8,652 posts)...this month, or until he loses the primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)you'll show him more respect!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Women felt it was not disqualifying 54% to 22%, with men coming in at 57% to 25%.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Independents about this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)To touch the Orange POS , I would need to shower right away.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samnsara
(17,622 posts)....im behind him 150%
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NoMoreRepugs
(9,435 posts)When the hell are we all going to wake up and understand that the threat to our democracy from King tRumpy is a threat to our childrens future??? Just stop with the nonsensical purity tests for Democratic candidates.... cuz the other side sure doesn't give a shit what their candidates do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)at some point, it will shape public opinion against Biden. Touched women? Really?!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,314 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden