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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 10:59 PM Feb 2020

WIRED: Russia Doesn't Want Bernie Sanders. It Wants Chaos

https://www.wired.com/story/bernie-sanders-russia-chaos-2020-election/

BRIAN BARRETTSECURITY02.21.2020 08:41 PM

The point of Kremlin interference has always been to find democracy’s loose seams, and pull.

If there’s one line intelligence officials have stuck to about Russian interference in US elections, it’s that it never stopped. Not after the 2016 election, not after the 2018 midterms, and certainly not now, well into the 2020 primary season. Which is why it should be no great surprise that, as The Washington Post first reported Friday, US officials warned Bernie Sanders that Russia is “attempting to help” his presidential campaign. It also shouldn’t be read as any kind of endorsement.

The Post is slim on details, other than saying that both Sanders and President Trump were briefed on Russia’s efforts. The news follows reports Thursday that intelligence officials recently briefed Congress about Russian interference aimed at helping reelect Donald Trump.

“I don’t care, frankly, who [Russian President Vladimir] Putin wants to be president,” Sanders said in a statement to the Post. “My message to Putin is clear: Stay out of American elections, and as president I will make sure that you do." The Sanders campaign did not immediately respond to WIRED's request for comment.

"All of this is part of Russia’s much broader effort to cast democracies as feckless, ineffective, and corrupt."

JESSICA BRANDT, ALLIANCE FOR SECURING DEMOCRACY


To close observers of Russian interference, this all sounds wildly familiar. In 2016, Russian misinformation agents and hackers worked to boost Trump’s electoral chances, but also threw some of their support behind Sanders as he ran against Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary. Special counsel Robert Mueller’s indictment of the Internet Research Agency troll farm detailed how IRA operatives were instructed to “use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump—we support them).” In the summer of 2016, pro-Sanders IRA Facebook accounts spread rumors that Clinton had stolen the Iowa caucus from Sanders and that her campaign had gotten illegal mail-in votes in Broward County, Florida.

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WIRED: Russia Doesn't Want Bernie Sanders. It Wants Chaos (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 OP
It wants trump. Squinch Feb 2020 #1
Trump is part of that chaos. But it wants to rip the Democratic party to shreds Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #2
Only on DU. SharonClark Feb 2020 #24
Getting Bernie as Trump's opponent is part of that goal CalFione Feb 2020 #4
Of course. Squinch Feb 2020 #6
470 posts in 5 days? Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #7
Some of us post more than others.. Cha Feb 2020 #18
It is not always about quantity... sheshe2 Feb 2020 #21
Exactly right.. keep on Posting! Cha Feb 2020 #19
"The Post is slim on details" madville Feb 2020 #3
Exactly Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #5
We the politically active are losing their minds Moderateguy Feb 2020 #10
None of the people I know . . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #8
Sorry, but that's ridiculous. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #9
Exactly. So much spinning goin' on Cha Feb 2020 #20
Trump delivers all the chaos they want/need Moderateguy Feb 2020 #11
Thank you for posting this Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #12
FUD PETRUS Feb 2020 #13
Both parties knew . . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #15
True. PETRUS Feb 2020 #16
Good point. None of this is actually helping him anyway. Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #17
Vote blue, no matter who! And take 2 friends with you. That is all. Meadowoak Feb 2020 #14
Yep. Anybody who becomes the frontrunner will become a target. That's how they roll. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #22
Kick Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #23
Russia wins both ways if Bernie is the nominee... SidDithers Feb 2020 #25
NO !!! They want Trump ... stop ... M$M ... just stop uponit7771 Feb 2020 #26
It wants Trump, and the easiest path to Trump is through Bernie Sanders. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #27
 

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
2. Trump is part of that chaos. But it wants to rip the Democratic party to shreds
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:04 PM
Feb 2020

...and it's working.

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CalFione

(571 posts)
4. Getting Bernie as Trump's opponent is part of that goal
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:06 PM
Feb 2020
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Dennis Donovan

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7. 470 posts in 5 days?
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:09 PM
Feb 2020

Hmm... Welcome to DU! Took me months to amass that many posts.

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Cha

(297,323 posts)
18. Some of us post more than others..
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:27 PM
Feb 2020

and I like their posts.

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sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
21. It is not always about quantity...
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:36 PM
Feb 2020

it is about quality. I have no issues with their posts.

I have only been here since late 2012 less than a month before the elections and have 62.5K posts. I am chatty, not so much lately. 24/7 momcare is a killer.

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Cha

(297,323 posts)
19. Exactly right.. keep on Posting!
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:28 PM
Feb 2020
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madville

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3. "The Post is slim on details"
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:04 PM
Feb 2020

And people are losing their minds, sounds like the chaos theory has some merit.

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Moderateguy

(945 posts)
10. We the politically active are losing their minds
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:13 PM
Feb 2020

I assure you a majority of Americans have not even noticed

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Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
8. None of the people I know . . .
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:12 PM
Feb 2020

is losing their minds. We down here are just trying to survive and survival keeps us pretty grounded.

Regarding Chaos, it started with t-rump who is the puppet for Putin. Republicans are helping as well.

But this establishment bullshit is pissing me off.

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TwilightZone

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9. Sorry, but that's ridiculous.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:12 PM
Feb 2020

It's patently obvious that they want to keep Trump in power because they have control over him. Clearly, right or wrong, they believe Sanders would be the weakest candidate against Trump.

They, no doubt, also want chaos, but the two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, with Trump, chaos is pretty much the default.

People are way overthinking this.

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Cha

(297,323 posts)
20. Exactly. So much spinning goin' on
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:29 PM
Feb 2020
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Moderateguy

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11. Trump delivers all the chaos they want/need
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:14 PM
Feb 2020

They think that Sanders will be the easiest candidate for Trump to beat

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Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
12. Thank you for posting this
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:15 PM
Feb 2020

We know for a fact that Russia interfered in our election in 2016. We know that Trump did nothing about it. Many assumed it was still happening, even here on DU.

Now we have confirmation.

It's all about FUD. And it seems to be working.

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PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
13. FUD
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:19 PM
Feb 2020

Apart from the obvious reason that intelligence briefings are not meant for public consumption, that would be a reason to try to deal with the situation quietly. It's out now, but note that no Democrats privy to this information made a general announcement.

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Iliyah

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15. Both parties knew . . .
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:21 PM
Feb 2020
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PETRUS

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16. True.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:23 PM
Feb 2020

I omitted mention of Republicans, because my understanding is that they're fine with the shenanigans.

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Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
17. Good point. None of this is actually helping him anyway.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:23 PM
Feb 2020

All these headlines are just casting doubt on his credibility as a candidate.

How does this help him? It just hurts the whole party, and the legitimacy of our democracy.

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Meadowoak

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14. Vote blue, no matter who! And take 2 friends with you. That is all.
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 11:19 PM
Feb 2020
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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
22. Yep. Anybody who becomes the frontrunner will become a target. That's how they roll.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 12:07 AM
Feb 2020
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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
25. Russia wins both ways if Bernie is the nominee...
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:21 AM
Feb 2020

Trump re-elected and hi pro-Russia policies continue.

Bernie elected, and Putin doesn’t have to worry about sanctions or pesky stuff like the Magnitsky Act. Bernie’s already voted against both.

Win-Win.

Sid

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uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
26. NO !!! They want Trump ... stop ... M$M ... just stop
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:28 AM
Feb 2020
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PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
27. It wants Trump, and the easiest path to Trump is through Bernie Sanders.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 11:37 AM
Feb 2020
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