Biden Lead Against Trump Grows to 13%: Post Accusations

[louis c]

Biden beats Trump, head to head in every poll, but increases his lead to 13% in the latest. Anyone who cares about this country should have, as their first priority, to defeat Trump in 2020. You can speculate all you want about who's the strongest candidate to do that, but the fact remains, Biden does that.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/general_election/

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Good.

Trump is a very tough act to follow when it comes to claims of inappropriate touching.

[Celerity]

3. Flores came out March 29th, this poll is March 27-28

Flores comes out here

https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html

the poll

https://www.publicpolicypolling.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/PPP_Release_National_40119.pdf

[mac56]

4. March 31 and April 1

[Celerity]

7. no, look at the polls themselves (that is why I posted the date)

You are just looking the date they were released, not the date of the actual polling.

I already posted the 13 point lead one above that the OP claimed was post accusations (it was not)

here are the others (and they are NOT national and have high margins of error)

Nevada (very limited as well, it is only people who voted in the Democratic caucus)

http://emersonpolling.com/2019/03/31/nevada-2020-biden-and-sanders-lead-democratic-primary-field-trump-looks-to-flip-the-silver-state-red/





Iowa (very limited as well, it is only people who voted in the Democratic caucus)

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/iowa-2020-biden-and-san

[George II]

13. What relevance does that have, are you hinting that it indeed WAS a smear that might work?

[Celerity]

15. no, the OP said it was post accusations, that is simply factually wrong, nothing more, nothing less

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.

[world wide wally]

5. That is exactly why he is my preference

[BlueFlorida]

6. The smear attempt backfired nt

[Celerity]

8. the poll is not post accusations, the OP is wrong

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128755266#post3

[LakeArenal]

9. Despite the obvious ineffective smear campaign

Joe Biden remains the most qualified both nationally and, especially, globally.

The world wants Joe Biden 2020.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

10. All the candidates on the poll beat trump

[louis c]

11. ...by less than Biden (let me finish the rest of your sentence)

[INdemo]

12. Well at one time Hillary had a 10% or more on Trump

Bernie Sanders had a 12% lead Hillary had a 5-9% lead on election day morning and we know the rest of the story.
How many Russian organizations had anything to do with this polling or any Presidential Polling?
See we just don't know.

Its too damn early for polling..
If Trumps dementia gets worse we will be running against Pence and probably Paul Ryan

[louis c]

17. We don't expect the FBI to declare that they opened an investigation into our candidate

10 days before the election, only to say 4 days later , "Never mind".

Oh, and by the way, Hillary won by 2 points and the difference between winning and losing was probably the 2% or 3% of Bernie voters voting 3rd party. After all, they were never Democrats, so who cares?

We need to win over just a small percentage of the blue collar workers in Penn, Wisc, and Mich who voted for Trump in 2016. Those people are definitely not on DU. If any Democrat needs to win over a DUer once they are nominated, that DUer should be on a different web site.

[DemDerek]

14. Yep, let's get those slanders going

Swiftboating Kerry, Birthering Obama, Pedofiling Hillary, two of those three smear campaigns ending up with GOPhuckyourseles in the White House. Let's not fall for BS this time!

EDITED TO ADD: I interpreted the OP's title as a sarcastic invitation to post bullshit allegations about Biden. Yep, just double-checked: the words "Post Allegations" were not hyphenated, and were immediately preceded by a colon.

[Karadeniz]

16. Results for Trump v. Harris or Warren very disheartening. Warren really lights my fire.

I don't see why she doesn't have higher numbers. If you read R. Reich's article on how the American economy and society just can't be sustained under current practices, his solutions were in line with Warren's. Biden doesn't want to shock the system, but I think we need it. Oh, well, back to the holding pattern.

[louis c]

18. Please, we all need to try to think like the average voter, not like DUers

Duers are far more intelligent, knowledgeable, sensitive and compassionate than the average voter.

If we want our candidates to reflect DUers traits, we'll lose every national election. And before you bring up Obama, the Sept. 15 2008 economic crisis created by Republicans made him a can't lose candidate. Any Democrat was winning after the Lehman Bros. collapse.

The swing voters vote on "feelings", not knowledge. Biden leads in the polls because he makes the average voter "feel comfortable". Biden can lose the primary, but he can't lose the election against Trump. And I'm afraid, knowing the average voter as I think I do, he may be the only Democrat who can win in November.

[Celerity]

19. two of the most fundamental reasons for the 2007-2009 financial crisis were

bi-partisan in nature.

1 The repeal of Glass-Steagall

On November 12, 1999, President Clinton signed the Financial Services Modernization Act (the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) that repealed Glass-Steagall.

On November 4, the final bill resolving the differences was passed by the Senate 90–8 and by the House 362–57. The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.

Glass Steagall Act of 1933, Its Purpose and Repeal
This 1933 Law Would Have Prevented the Financial Crisis

https://www.thebalance.com/glass-steagall-act-definition-purpose-and-repeal-3305850




2 The even more odious Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which re-legalised most OTC derivatives including credit swaps (derivatives of multiple flavours were the instruments that were so crucial to the meltdown in sub-prime mortgages).

The House passed the Conference Report and, therefore, H.R. 4577 in a vote of 292-60. The Senate passed it by unanimous consent (over the objections of Paul Wellstone and James Inofe). Clinton signed it into law on December 21, 2000.




How Congress Rushed a Bill that Helped Bring the Economy to Its Knees

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-congress-rushed-a-bil_b_181926




Great video about Brooksley Born, who trying to warn about this, and was completely shut down by Lawrence Summers, Robert Rubin, et. al

The Warning

Long before the economic meltdown, one woman tried to warn about the threat to the financial system...

https://www.pbs.org/video/frontline-the-warning/

[louis c]

20. Glass Steagall was replaced by Graham Leach

two Republicans. The measure was attached to a must pass budget bill without a Democratic majority in either branch.

[Celerity]

21. no, it was a stand alone, it was not part of an omnibus budget bill

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act#Legislative_history

When the two chambers could not agree on a joint version of the bill, the House voted on July 30 by a vote of 241–132 (R 58–131; D 182–1; Ind. 1–0) to instruct its negotiators to work for a law which ensured that consumers enjoyed medical and financial privacy as well as "robust competition and equal and non-discriminatory access to financial services and economic opportunities in their communities" (i.e., protection against exclusionary redlining).

The bill then moved to a joint conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. Democrats agreed to support the bill after Republicans agreed to strengthen provisions of the anti-redlining Community Reinvestment Act and address certain privacy concerns; the conference committee then finished its work by the beginning of November.[16][17] On November 4, the final bill resolving the differences was passed by the Senate 90–8, and by the House 362–57. The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.


Senate

52 Republicans and 38 Democrats voted for the bill. Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama (Republican, formerly a Democrat) voted against it, as did 7 Democratic Senators: Barbara Boxer (Calif.), Richard Bryan (Nevada), Byron Dorgan (N. Dakota), Russell Feingold (Wisc.), Tom Harkin (Iowa), Barbara Mikulski (Maryland) and Paul Wellstone (Minn.) Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-Illinois) again voted "present", while Sen. John McCain (R-Arizona) did not vote.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=1&vote=00354


House

Republicans voted 207–5 in favor with 10 not voting. Democrats voted 155–51 in favor, with 5 not voting. Independent Rep. Bernard Sanders of Vermont voted no.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1999/roll570.xml

[flamingdem]

22. Biden does that

[UniteFightBack]

24. Hmmmm which one??? The hugger or the serial PUSSY GRABBER? The honest guy or pathological

LIAR?

[ucrdem]

25. Joe has strong crossover appeal.

If this election is going to be fought and won in WI, MI, and PA, Joe is the only way to go. I don't think the Lucy Flores accusations will resonate strongly with the voters we need to win over.

[Peacetrain]

26. Biden has wide appeal

[doc03]

27. I saw about 1 minute of Hannity he is making Biden look worse than

Trump with women.

[OrlandoDem2]

28. I've suspected for a while that Joe is the most formidable candidate.

I just don’t think the rest have the best chance of rebuilding the Blue Wall.

I genuinely like Biden and he makes me nostalgic for Obama.

[workinclasszero]

29. Bernie beats Trump too and so does Sen. Warren

Poll: Trump trails several Democratic prospects in 2020 match-up

By STEVEN SHEPARD 08/22/2018 05:49 AM EDT

The 2020 presidential election is still more than 800 days away, but a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll shows President Donald Trump with paltry levels of support when matched up with nearly a dozen would-be Democratic opponents.

Against the two best-known candidates — former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) — Trump trails 12 percentage points and is mired in the low 30s. Biden leads Trump, 43 percent to 31 percent, and Sanders’ lead over the president is virtually the same, 44 percent to 32 percent.

Trump also trails Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) — the first-term senator he has mocked as “Pocahontas,” which Warren calls a racial slur — but by a smaller margin, 34 percent to 30 percent. A plurality of voters, 36 percent, are undecided.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/22/trump-2020-democrats-matchup-790890

Don't pretend that Biden, who STILL has not entered the race, is our only savior against Trump, that is false.

[Mme. Defarge]

30. The Lord works

in mysterious ways.

[workinclasszero]

31. Indeed

He does.

[Stuart G]

32. k and r no text.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. K&R

[Gothmog]

34. Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available

[Gothmog]

35. Early State Democrats Stand With Biden As Touching Scandal Falls Flat

Link to tweet

Progressives and advisers to Bernie Sanders hoped that they could keep Biden out of the race with a scandal that centers around personal space. The scandal though never really dominated the news like they hoped it or accelerated enough to damage the former vice president’s potential candidacy. Biden is still leading in the way too early polling, and he has seen no erosion in his support since the touching scandal started.

The challenge that any Democratic candidate faces is that Joe Biden has deep roots and a huge national organization of party officials. Biden is beloved by the party rank and file, and it is going to take more than what his political adversaries tried to turn into a scandal to stop his candidacy.

After seeing the behavior of porn star paying off, Access Hollywood tape accused sexual assaulter Trump, Joe Biden’s behavior doesn’t rise to the level of disqualifying in the minds of many Democrats.

Democratic voters may choose a different nominee, but Joe Biden is showing why he is going to be hard to beat in 2020.

[Gothmog]

36. Biden is the most electable candidate right now

While I am undecided, I do think that Joe Biden is the most electable candidate.

Link to tweet

Biden has been in the public eye since the 1970s, and unlike Hillary Clinton, who claimed the public never really knew her, voters feel like they know Biden pretty darn well. Many voters don’t remember anything before his vice presidency, his demonstrably warm relationship with President Barack Obama, his remarkable dignity after the death of his beloved son Beau, and his emotional goodbye to the late senator John McCain. He has established a level of emotional intimacy with voters that few politicians attain. He’s the chatty next-door neighbor, the avuncular relative and the co-worker who remembers everyone’s birthday.....

They are also unlikely to decide he’s not progressive enough. Being vice president to the most progressive president we’ve had (including his role in seemingly pushing Obama forward on gay marriage) has its advantages. Moreover, the media periodically lapses into the delusion that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) are representative of the entire party.

The recent Monmouth poll of Iowa voters is instructive: Biden not only leads, but has a 78 percent favorability rating and support from the kind of Democrats who show up in primaries — moderate, older voters. Biden has support from 44 percent of seniors and 35 percent of self-described moderate and conservative Democrats. Among lower income/working-class voters whom Democrats have been desperate to attract, he gets 38 percent. Those kind of voters — not self-identified socialists, not Bernie activists on social media — are numerous and dependable voters. And they’re not exactly the kind to punish him for hugging people in distress.

The most important hurdle for Biden and for his competitors will be convincing voters he can beat President Trump. Right now, Biden has a big advantage. “While issue positions are important to Iowa Democrats, the overwhelming majority (64%) prefer to have a nominee who would be strong against Trump even if they disagree with that candidate on most issues,” the pollsters found. “If they were forced to choose, just 24% say they would favor a candidate who they are aligned with on the issues even if that person would have a hard time beating Trump. Biden garners more support among voters who prioritize beating Trump (33%) than he does among those who are looking for issue alignment (15%).”

I agree with the premise of this piece. I know Joe Biden and I like Joe Biden. The polling indicates that Joe is the most electable candidate.