From 2011..Sanders in his own words..

[Cha]

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But, he explains, he is not interested in the White House. "I would likely end up causing a right-wing extremist to be president of the United States. That is not something I would be happy to do," he said.
Then he added for emphasis: "It would likely be a futile and losing campaign. That would not be too smart."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/21/bernie-sanders-socialist-vermont-interview

Edited the Tweet out.. I did not agree with the editorializing.

[Gravitycollapse]

1. Almost 10 years old. Many people say they aren't running until they are.

I'm sure he believed it in 2011. But a lot has changed since then--including a growing generation of young voters who lean pretty far left.

[Cha]

5. BS gave Specific Reasons Why he wouldn't run..

and many of us feel this still holds true even though he's running.

[Gravitycollapse]

8. And many of us do not feel that way.

[Cha]

9. I get that.. I'm pointing out what BS said himself is

what I think about it.

[George II]

60. But many of us do feel that way.

[democrattotheend]

20. Unlike most, with Bernie I actually believe it

I believe he had no intention of running in 2011. He didn't even really want to run in 2016. He wanted Elizabeth Warren to run, and got into it reluctantly when she decided not to.

I wish he had decided to sit it out and back her this time, TBH. I think the fame and power went to his head a little.

[Gothmog]

79. Thisis a great ad on sanders

Link to tweet

[Cha]

2. k

[backtoblue]

6. +1

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He was right not to run in 2012. He sat it out because he knew primarying Obama could have caused a gop victory. That would have been a disaster.

In 2016, he had every right to run. He didnt primary a democrat nor did he run 3rd party.

However, I don't think he supported Hillary strong enough after she became our nominee. We were a party divided and he should have EMPHATICALLY did more to get his folks to vote for her.

I believe he will do a better job supporting the nominee this time if he loses. I'm ready for the primaries to be over so we can unite and focus on beating shitstain.

[Cha]

46. And, yet this report says Harry Reid had to talk him out of it..

The Hidden History of Sanders’s Plot to Primary Obama

That summer, Sanders privately discussed a potential primary challenge to Obama with several people, including Patrick Leahy, his fellow Vermont senator. Leahy, alarmed, warned Jim Messina, Obama’s presidential reelection-campaign manager. Obama’s campaign team was “absolutely panicked” by Leahy’s report, Messina told me, since “every president who has gotten a real primary has lost a general [election].”
David Plouffe, another Obama strategist, confirmed Messina’s account, as did another person familiar with what happened. (A spokesman for Leahy did not comment when asked several times about his role in the incident.)

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/sanders-obama-primary-challenge/606709/

Bernie Sanders Says It Would Be A ‘Good Idea’ To Primary President Obama

https://thinkprogress.org/bernie-sanders-says-it-would-be-a-good-idea-to-primary-president-obama-313b4f05f3c1/

[Cha]

7. No it's not even a little bit "disingenuous"..

I think the reasons he gave for not running are worth paying attention to.

[emmaverybo]

10. When people tell you who they are...

He was insightful then. Not so much now.

[Cha]

12. Very Insightful.. Mahalo, emmaverbo!

[peggysue2]

13. A true prophet!

[Cha]

15. Veritible!

[krissey]

17. "When people tell you who they are..." This is said so often with Sanders.

[k2qb3]

30. Oh, now Cha "just noticed" what we were talking about three hours earlier.

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Isn't that special.

[Cha]

31. No need to "give me the benefit of the doubt".. These are

Sanders' own words.. they speak for themselves.

[Cha]

33. Instead of insulting and personal attacks.. Try paying

attention to what Sanders tweeted.

[Cha]

35. More insults.. it's not helping your candidate, k2qb3

[lapucelle]

54. Sometimes people are cranky after a nap.

[Cha]

59. No kidding.

Mahalo!!!

[Cha]

37. The OP is not about me.. it's what..

Sanders said in 2011 about him running for potus.

Very Insightful

[Cha]

50. Aww.. More Insults and still not helping your candidate.

[lapucelle]

55. ...

[Cha]

57. ..

True

[George II]

61. Since it was HER OP, I'm sure she knows what's being talked about here.

[Cha]

72. Hey.. thanks for kicking the thread

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[Cha]

73. So what are you saying exactly?

[msongs]

11. a 2012 primary? against barack obama?? even worse nt

[Cha]

36. It doesn't matter when he was saying it.. it's Food for Thought.

[Cha]

52. Still not helping your candidate.. Please Proceed..

[DonaldsRump]

4. I don't dislike BS

...although I like the Larry David-version better and I do think he needs better initials. However, he is NOT a D, and I seriously question his intentions on that alone.

Dude: you're running for the Democratic nomination. What exactly do you not understand that you need to be a D to get that nomination? You lose me somewhere when you don't run as a D!

Regardless of my view, I think all D voters in the primaries should keep this quote from BS himself in mind.

(Dude: change your initials too if you want to be real in the D party).

[ramen]

27. I want to make sure I am understanding you: do you want his first or last

name changed, and to what?

[DonaldsRump]

63. Let the Independent (not Democratic) Senator from Vermont

who is running for the Democratic nomination for President take his pick as to which name he would change: the initials "BS" for a politician who is not even a member of the party whose nomination he seeks is interesting.

Ad hominem, I know....

[Gothmog]

14. sanders was right in 2011

If sanders ran against President Obama, Romney would have won.

[ramen]

28. This is obviously the specific reason he did not do so.. nt

[Cha]

39. And yet many are feeling this

is why they don't want to vote for him in the 2020 primary.

[Cha]

41. ..

Exactly.

[Skittles]

42. and even THAT wasn't enough

ugh

[Cha]

44. Oh no..

[krissey]

16. 2016 he caused problems in the Democratic Party and with HRC, and look, we have Trump.

He was right. And he is doing it again.

[murielm99]

18. K&R

[radical noodle]

19. K&R

I wish he'd listened to his own advice.

[tritsofme]

21. I agree with Bernie!

[Cha]

22. There ya go!

[Callado119]

23. BS said something right for once...too bad he didn't keep his promise again..

[ramen]

29. jesus god. 2012. you want him to have primaried Obama??

[Cha]

43. No.. that's not what he said at all.

[aeromanKC]

24. Trump to Bernie

You're the puppet

[oasis]

25. A "futile and losing campaign" would also be a down ticket Dem disaster.

Our party should keep that in mind during the presidential nominating process.

[Cha]

26. Exactly right.. we cannot forget about the Critical Down Ticket Dems

running for office in 2020!

Mahalo, oasis

[DaDeacon]

38. All this blahs bah

Ignores the main reason he is running and the one reason if he was to win, WHY he would win. Sanders and many who support him myself included see a growing and unstable wealth inequality that's creating a plutocracy that is growing wildly unchecked. The 1% acts as if the only way the 99% survives is in support of them. So much so that one of the 1% joined the primaries to protect that class that is no danger of being dismantled just inconvenienced. We are out of time for the slow move of moderate Democratic or Republican voter and lawmakers. We are beyond the tipping point IMO. I would love to be in an administration that was normal and a simple safe candidate would just change the party in charge not the policies but "we are well beyond that point". We need a large pull back to the left to get our body politics back to center.

[denem]

45. This is a comment about running against Obama in 2012.

[Celerity]

47. The Tweet added a statement that the article did NOT say. The phrase 'NEVER RUN'

Very subtle but also completely disengenous and completely changes the entire thing to portray something that was never said. It gives an entirely false impression.

Sanders was talking about 2012 only. This OP is not in good faith IMHO as it uses a doctored tweet.

My belief that Sanders will be ruinous to not only our chances to unseat the tyrant Trump but also could cost us the House on top of a POTUS loss is well documented. I am NOT coming from a position of support for him.

That said, I cannot condone the use of of false and/or doctored tweets in an attempt to oppose Sanders in the primary.

Ironically, the Sanders campaign crew and many of their social media supoorters, podcast, video show/news, and far left papers, sites and magazines etc have turned the twisted, the dodgily spun or the doctored or the outright false tweet and/or other form of media attack into an art form, as evidenced by their relentless slurring and false framing and outright lying against Buttigieg, Biden, Harris, Warren, etc. BUT, I will not stoop to their level, as 2 wrongs do not a right make.

[Cha]

48. I just deleted the tweet from the OP.. I hadn't even noticed what

Jose' added..

[Celerity]

56. cool, hugz

[Cha]

58. Thank you!

[Celerity]

69. twitter is a cesspool, there is so much disinfo and slanting from all sides going on

not just from anonymous people either, Zephyr Teachout (official Bernie surrogate and a failed NY gubernatorial and House candidate) had to do a public mea culpa when she spread the TYT/Sirota started smear against Pete that claimed Zuckerberg was running or greatly influencing his campaign, when all that happen was a years-ago ex FB employee and another person who never even worked for Facebook asked Zuckerberg and his wife to forward their resumes to the campaign as they wanted to work there.

[TexasTowelie]

49. K&R! nt

[Kurt V.]

51. the electorate has changed dramatically since 2010 to be exact

[Steelrolled]

53. People change their minds. It happens more than a little bit.

[apcalc]

62. HE KNOWS. So, screw us twice????

[Fran2020]

64. We had Obama as an incumbent in 2012. This year, Trump is the incumbent.

Its a different scenario. This year Bernie can win. And he will win.

[Cha]

65. Of couse it's different. I don't want him to be our Nominee.

[cwydro]

66. K and r.

[ucrdem]

67. Things that make you go hmm. . .

hmm...

[Cha]

68. lol.. very much hmmm

[highplainsdem]

70. K&R! Thanks for posting this, Cha!

[Cha]

71. Thank you, highplainsdem!

[Gothmog]

74. sanders "once toyed with running in a primary against Obama in 2012,

Link to tweet

[Cha]

75. Thank you, Goth!

[dalton99a]

76. And this:

“Nobody, I mean not many people believe in open borders. If you simply opened the borders, you’d have people from Vietnam and China and Mexico and Latin America coming in. And no one thinks that is a plausible approach. On the other hand, I think the strength of this nation is the diversity and the new ideas from immigrants from all walks of life have given this country. So you need a rational, non-racist immigration policy which welcomes people in from all over the world to improve our economy, but clearly you cannot have open borders.” - Bernie Sanders, The Daily Show, April 5, 2019

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/23/sanders-needs-explain-his-voting-record-immigration/
Sanders needs to explain his voting record on immigration
By Jennifer Rubin
Feb. 23, 2020 at 1:30 p.m. CST

Former vice president Joe Biden is correct to point out that Sanders voted against comprehensive immigration reform in 2007 that a slew of progressives in his party (from Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts to then-Sen. Barack Obama to then-Sen. Hillary Clinton) supported, in a bill that the George W. Bush administration desperately wanted to pass (back when some Republicans believed in market economics and an American creed that was blind to race and ethnicity). The bill would have legalized the status of millions of people here illegally, largely preventing the peril "dreamers” now face.

Sanders was no better on the topic when he ran for president in 2016. He still defended his 2007 vote and insisted more immigrants are bad for U.S. workers. In a Univision-Washington Post debate, Clinton zinged Sanders for two votes that took the side of anti-immigrant right-wingers. “In 2006, when Sen. Sanders was running for the Senate from Vermont, he voted in the House with hard-line Republicans for indefinite detention for undocumented immigrants, and then he sided with those Republicans to stand with vigilantes known as Minutemen who were taking up outposts along the border to hunt down immigrants," she said.

On indefinite detention, PolitiFact found: “Sanders did vote for the bill, along with almost all Republicans and a majority of the House Democratic caucus. . . . By backing it, Sanders went against the urgings of the American Civil Liberties Union and the National Council of La Raza, a prominent Hispanic group.”

On the Minutemen, Sanders did vote for an amendment seeped in anti-immigrant paranoia that would have prevented the U.S. government “providing the Mexican government with intelligence about Minutemen patrols.” The amendment was introduced by infamous anti-immigrant Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.). Sanders went along with the gimmicky provision meant to assuage vigilante groups.

[Cha]

77. Thank you, dalton.

[Gothmog]

78. sanders-Obama was "weak," "disappointing," "demoralizing," and should've been primaried

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

80. There is video

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Cha]

81. Thanks for this, Goth.. it disgusting how they're denying what happened.

Link to tweet