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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:41 PM Feb 2020

Good Job Bernie And Elizabeth You Got Them Running Scared Running Anti M4A Ads And Lies

I just saw an ad on MSMBC that says Medicare for all could double income taxes, and close 1,000 hospitals.

Pure BS. They are truly running scared.

Oh the stock price, the stock price!!!!!

The didn't mention all the people dying today because they can't afford treatment, or medication, but hey, why would they.

It's all about the $$$$$.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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George II

(67,782 posts)
1. How much IS it going to cost? We still haven't been told that all important part of the plan...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:43 PM
Feb 2020

And please, even Elizabeth Warren has since divorced herself from Sanders' plan, people should stop saying "Bernie and Elizabeth" when referring to medicare for all.

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LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
3. Do you actually believe it will cost more than the current system?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:54 PM
Feb 2020

That's the only plausible explanation for your question because if it is a cheaper system, even if only by a few million, wouldn't it be better to adopt the cheaper system? Some people simply hate change or else they are in the tank for insurance companies and hospital groups.

I am stunned so many DUers are opposed to health care for all Americans. It's sad.

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HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
6. He doesn't. He's just spewing talking points.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:59 PM
Feb 2020
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LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
8. You never know. It can be tough to differentiate between trolls and those who are argumentative.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:00 PM
Feb 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
7. I can't see how it could be cheaper without serious "unintended consequences" or collateral damage..
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:59 PM
Feb 2020

...like fewer doctors, medical facilities closing down, less medical and pharmaceutical research, and either massive unemployment or thousands of people displaced.

But we really don't know because we don't know most of the details.

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thesquanderer

(11,993 posts)
5. Sanders and Warren both envisage a 4 year transition to MFA...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:58 PM
Feb 2020

...though they differ in how they handle the four year transition to get there.

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LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
2. I guess we know who is and is not on the side of insurance companies and hospital administrators.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:51 PM
Feb 2020
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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
4. Well not watching MSNBC is a good start.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:56 PM
Feb 2020
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
9. Yes. Exactly. And our candidates can ether disrespect the concerns Americans have, lie about
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:11 PM
Feb 2020

cost, or tell the truth. Yes, your taxes will be raised and there will be wrinkles at first too. They paint way too rosy a picture of single payer over the quality of healthcare many union members
employed or retired get now.

Americans do care about money. So M4All candidates have to allay their fears. I don’t think that
has happened and will hurt us in the GE.

No matter how great something is if you can’t sell it, put it away until you can. ACA lost the midterms, arguably a high price, but to many, worth it.

Now the price is higher.

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DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
10. Taxes Raised Premiums Reduced Money Saved
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 04:07 AM
Feb 2020

Overall cheaper, better for all, and everyone is covered.

A no brainer.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
11. Sure. So lots of Dems agree. But selling this in the GE is tougher. Raising taxes substantially and
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:37 PM
Feb 2020

on folks who already have affordable good quality care in an election year is a terrible, losing proposition. No brainer or not.

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