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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 07:59 PM Feb 2019

Bernie Sanders Politely Asks Supporters Not to Harass His Opponents

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/bernie-sanders-email-supporters-799468/?fbclid=IwAR3015-BApPTBGb1IXVi9hgJzVtE_zhmT0BZCDU3rJ8BmRPUPxTbwpEM1-g


February 24, 2019 3:53PM ET
Bernie Sanders Politely Asks Supporters Not to Harass His Opponents
“Let us do our very best to engage respectfully with our Democratic opponents,” the candidate said in an email
By Peter Wade


During the 2016 elections, many Hillary Clinton supporters felt harassed by supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), and Sanders is trying to get in front of that before the 2020 race heats up by sending an email urging his fans to “engage respectfully” with his Democratic opponents.

“As we engage with our opponents in the Democratic primary, we will forcefully present our views and defend ourselves against misrepresentations,” Sanders wrote. “But, let us do our very best to engage respectfully with our Democratic opponents―talking about the issues we are fighting for, not about personalities or past grievances. I want to be clear that I condemn bullying and harassment of any kind and in any space.”

Sanders emphasized that he plans to take the opposite tact to President Donald Trump, who revels in name-calling and specious attacks. “The president we are running against is a pathological liar, a racist, a xenophobe, a sexist, a bully and a religious bigot. His goal is to win political points by dividing up the American people. That is why we need to do exactly the opposite―brings our people together. Men and women, black and white, Latino, Native American, Asian American, gay and straight, young and old, native-born and immigrant,” Sanders said in the email.

Sanders sent a similar message to his delegates ahead of the 2016 Democratic National Convention, urging them not to protest on the convention floor. But his supporters did not heed his calls and the convention was interrupted numerous times by followers of Sanders, at times booing at Clinton delegates and chanting “Bernie.”

In his email about 2020, Sanders emphasized that only a united front will have a chance to beat Trump. “Our number one priority is defeating Donald Trump. To do so, we will ultimately have to unite with those who today are our opponents for the Democratic nomination. We won’t always agree with them, but I expect those who speak on behalf of my campaign to always engage respectfully. I am committed to making this nominating process a fair, issues-focused campaign and am asking you for the same,” he concluded.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Bernie Sanders Politely Asks Supporters Not to Harass His Opponents (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2019 OP
Actions will speak louder than words. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #1
Exactly. It was certainly called for. We'll Cha Feb 2019 #4
Let's hope other candidates make the same request of their supporters. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #59
LOL. No. No Democratic candidate has ever needed to make such a request. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #61
lol shanny Feb 2019 #135
Who among them would need to? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #95
No one else needs to, InA. Hortensis Feb 2019 #133
This would be great advice for all candidates to ask their supporters to be respectful! WordsMatter Feb 2019 #2
Well, it certainly was Needed for BS to do it. Cha Feb 2019 #6
No other campaigns have "supporters" who act this way. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #7
Please give warning before making such statements Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #10
You've got it exactly backwards. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #16
Lol.ok. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #26
Not remotely funny. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #30
Oh bullshit tkmorris Feb 2019 #86
Not on a grand scale like this. BS obvioulsy felt the need to Cha Feb 2019 #88
False equivalency. ehrnst Feb 2019 #99
LULZed JudyM Feb 2019 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Feb 2019 #105
good statement bigtree Feb 2019 #3
Bit too late, Bernie...nt SidDithers Feb 2019 #5
Yeah like 3 years too late!! Thekaspervote Feb 2019 #108
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2019 #8
I certainly hope they listen mcar Feb 2019 #9
Now if only Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #11
Why was it okay for sanders delegates to boo Congressman John Lewis at the National Convention? Gothmog Feb 2019 #15
It was an unforgivable moment. Booing John Lewis was shameful. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #18
Maybe because Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #21
So you are ignoring the instructions given by sanders to his surrogates described in the OP? Gothmog Feb 2019 #22
Because I tell you why Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #25
No one expected sanders surrogates to pay any attention to sander's instructions Gothmog Feb 2019 #43
John Lewis on the "Red Carpet". An inspiring American hero. George II Feb 2019 #46
I have been fortunate enough to have heard John Lewis tell the same story 4 times Gothmog Feb 2019 #85
Everyone can make mistakes and everyone should be able to be held accountable Kentonio Feb 2019 #90
What "mistake" that Lewis "should be able to be held accountable" is that? betsuni Feb 2019 #91
Interesting, when someone says that about Senator Sanders.... ehrnst Feb 2019 #98
You never did come up with a video. Did you? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #27
Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Feb 2019 #33
So you have the video? Would you mind posting it? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #34
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #73
No video? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #134
I'm curious, you've been a staunch Sanders supporter for years and now you choose Yang.... George II Feb 2019 #45
He is now supporting Biden Gothmog Feb 2019 #84
smh George II Feb 2019 #114
So booing a colleague who got his head knocked in for civil rights was acceptable? Trenzalore Feb 2019 #23
Never said it was acceptable Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #28
I don't think Bernie has any control over his supporters behavior Trenzalore Feb 2019 #32
I don't think any candidate has control over their supporters Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #35
They tend to have control over the people they send to conventions Trenzalore Feb 2019 #36
I'll just leave this here Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #37
She had said that for 25 years before it became controversial nt. Trenzalore Feb 2019 #44
This is from a sanders delegate Gothmog Feb 2019 #78
What does that have to do with an organized attack on John Lewis? An entirely different... George II Feb 2019 #115
I guess you weren't around in 2008? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #118
Yes, and the conventions had entirely different tones. The HRC people did not tape their mouths. LisaM Feb 2019 #126
Real candidates and real campaigns vet their delegates Gothmog Feb 2019 #77
So why not Sanders? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #97
The fact is what he said was true. He never saw him. It's not "dishonest". As you point out.... George II Feb 2019 #49
If that's the twist you're going with Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #63
Lewis: "I was responding to a reporter's question who asked me to assess Senator Sanders' betsuni Feb 2019 #66
That was the clean up statement Lazy Daisy Feb 2019 #71
All he said was that he hadn't met Bernie or seen him. betsuni Feb 2019 #74
There is some history here that is sad but needs to mentioned Gothmog Feb 2019 #80
+1 betsuni Feb 2019 #81
Are you calling John Lewis a liar? ehrnst Feb 2019 #96
Really? That makes it OK for his supporters to boo John Lewis? DanTex Feb 2019 #111
+1 Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #120
I believe in listening to people of color when they describe their experiences. yardwork Feb 2019 #142
Exactly. nt babylonsister Feb 2019 #19
Behaviors that should always be commented on no matter who they support. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2019 #72
That has to be earned. tirebiter Feb 2019 #87
Guess he and some of his acolytes are realizing the damage they've done.. Amimnoch Feb 2019 #12
Way Too Late. Cha Feb 2019 #13
Too little too late. MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #20
I saw how much control sanders had over his surrogates at the national convention Gothmog Feb 2019 #14
I really appreciate you posting this, Goth Cha Feb 2019 #17
Thank you for the post. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2019 #64
I was there in person Gothmog Feb 2019 #82
Thank you, it's great to have someone who was there, here. betsuni Feb 2019 #83
Thank you for reminding us just how bad it was Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #121
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #140
This needs a kick. Cha Mar 2019 #170
He has no control over them to begin with and never has Trenzalore Feb 2019 #24
OMG! Why is this even needed in the first place? What does that tell you? NurseJackie Feb 2019 #29
This is how BS talks about his "opponents".. Cha Feb 2019 #62
When one states they are the only ethical choice among candidates ehrnst Feb 2019 #93
No it Doesn't, ehrnst. It's insulting and condescending. Cha Feb 2019 #123
This is a nice gesture. It's my hope that.... spicysista Feb 2019 #31
BS needs to make sure Nina/jill stein supporter/ Turner gets the memo.. Cha Feb 2019 #38
Actions speak louder than words. crazytown Feb 2019 #39
Precisely, crazytown.. he says this while appointing Cha Feb 2019 #40
And WE are different crazytown Feb 2019 #47
And, remember.. they are our "opponents".. Do as I say Cha Feb 2019 #51
July 12 "We're going to fight as hard as we can" crazytown Feb 2019 #60
+1000 Thekaspervote Feb 2019 #109
Why yes, that's sends a very clear message of courtesy towards one's opponents. ehrnst Feb 2019 #94
Yes, to "one's opponents".. Do as I say.. not Cha Feb 2019 #125
If he meant it, he wouldn't refer to Democrats as "opponents." Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #41
Here's BS using "Opponents" again for brilliant DEMS.. Cha Feb 2019 #48
Further evidence indicating an abject contempt and disrespect for the Democratic party. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #107
Questions for Sen Sanders.. Cha Feb 2019 #130
Generally speaking, I think that the public is better served by candidates who are not tone-deaf... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #131
Yeah, "tone deaf" doesn't cut Cha Feb 2019 #132
Yes, and specifically "our Democratic opponents" fleabiscuit Feb 2019 #67
"Our Democratic opponents" implies the assumption that "we" (his acolytes) Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #70
Exactly. He should have said "other Democratic candidates" or "fellow Democratic candidates". honest.abe Feb 2019 #103
He should not be "polite", he should tell them straight out - RESPECT our opponents. I wonder... George II Feb 2019 #42
Here's BS insulting and condescendingly using "Opponents" for Dems Again.. Cha Feb 2019 #50
Hmph, and they say that Dianne Feinstein was "condescending". George II Feb 2019 #53
It's ok for BS.. but no one else. Cha Feb 2019 #57
He could learn the word "challenger" but he wants to remove himself from the lesser than. fleabiscuit Feb 2019 #75
He could.. he could have Cha Feb 2019 #89
That's a very astute observation. He probably does NOT... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #106
Ugh. Civility is lost. Even here. nt babylonsister Feb 2019 #52
BS opened this up.. We have memories.. Cha Feb 2019 #55
You're trying to normalize something that isn't normal behavior. fleabiscuit Feb 2019 #76
I haven't seen civility here.. disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #116
I'm convinced that BS sees Democrats as his opponents. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #54
I am. Cha Feb 2019 #58
It's not like he hides it or anything. He says it quite plainly, in the open. nt Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #65
That's twice in the last couple of weeks. betsuni Feb 2019 #68
That horse has left the barn, Bern. nt Maven Feb 2019 #56
That horse has left the barn and is on the ship that has sailed. betsuni Feb 2019 #69
I hope people aren't docxed like they were in 2016. RandySF Feb 2019 #79
Maybe John Lewis sat him down and had a talk. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #92
Too little, too late, Bernie. (nt) Paladin Feb 2019 #100
they werent controlled the first time around.. this time will be no different im afraid.. samnsara Feb 2019 #102
But this will backfire and turn off voters I think. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #112
Because many of his online "supporters" were bots & Russian trolls tinrobot Feb 2019 #119
i hope this applies to the behavior that was exhibited toward older- usually female-.. samnsara Feb 2019 #104
O K DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #110
It's about 3 years late, but good for him finally taking my advice on something Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #113
Good for Bernie forklift Feb 2019 #117
Yes, he should distance himself from Cha Feb 2019 #124
The video was not doctored. dogman Feb 2019 #128
Selective editing and choosing parts forklift Feb 2019 #129
this is far more of a rebuke of trump prredlin Feb 2019 #122
No, it isn't.. that's not the reality of the Cha Feb 2019 #138
Like That Cult is going to listen.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2019 #127
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #141
Calls to mind a line from "A Few Good Men": Empowerer Feb 2019 #136
LOL lillypaddle Feb 2019 #137
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Feb 2019 #139
But, will they listen? Cha Mar 2019 #143
So, BS hires "Attack Dog" Sirota and Cha Mar 2019 #144
She's pathedic MustLoveBeagles Mar 2019 #145
Yes, so of course she gets Cha Mar 2019 #146
It's sad to see him hiring these awful people MustLoveBeagles Mar 2019 #150
"Devin Nunes Cocaine BJ Cow Did Treason"? melman Mar 2019 #160
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2019 #147
No, it did Not. That's why Cha Mar 2019 #148
And new revelations about Sirota dalton99a Mar 2019 #149
His new social media director called me a "motherfucker" in 2008 during discussion about Obama. RandySF Mar 2019 #151
Wow MustLoveBeagles Mar 2019 #153
I don't remember the exact details, just that I was defending Obama. RandySF Mar 2019 #154
The hammering on Sanders here has never stopped. CentralMass Mar 2019 #152
It never started from me until today Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #162
Oh? the way BS "hammers" on Cha Mar 2019 #169
Bookmarking for future reference. betsuni Mar 2019 #155
I appreciate his sentiment. David__77 Mar 2019 #156
He scrapped that by hiring Sirota and Cha Mar 2019 #157
Yeah that fine sentiment had a half-life of about 10 minutes. ucrdem Mar 2019 #158
As we knew it would.. it Cha Mar 2019 #159
At the first sign of trouble he reverts to form ucrdem Mar 2019 #163
Yep.. sneaky 20,288 tweets Deleter.. Cha Mar 2019 #165
Wrong melman Mar 2019 #161
BS hired two "Attack Dogs", melman.. Cha Mar 2019 #164
Is his sentiment reflected in the two hires he made yesterday and his choice of co-chairman? George II Mar 2019 #166
Kick for a reminder for BS on what he said then. Cha Mar 2019 #167
It's hard to take this seriously when he hires David Sirota and Briahna Joy Gray n/t SFnomad Mar 2019 #168
Zero credibility after that. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #171
KICK! Cha Apr 2019 #172
 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
1. Actions will speak louder than words.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:04 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
4. Exactly. It was certainly called for. We'll
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:37 PM
Feb 2019

see if it takes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
59. Let's hope other candidates make the same request of their supporters.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:24 AM
Feb 2019

Not surprised Bernie did though... shows a lot of class.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
61. LOL. No. No Democratic candidate has ever needed to make such a request.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:30 AM
Feb 2019

It is a given among Democrats. The BS campaign is an aberration.

It shows no class to have supporters boo civil rights heroes.

Not accepting the gaslighting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
95. Who among them would need to? (nt)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:15 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
133. No one else needs to, InA.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:34 PM
Feb 2019

Sanders' populist followers include a lot of people who liked the right's call to "lock her up" so much that they adopted that and many other trumpster-type behaviors, understandable when you realize that later on a large number of this type voted for Trump or conservative libertarian Johnson in the general.

Shall we hope they stayed there and approve kidnapping and imprisoning small children in inhumane conditions, or should we hope they've returned in hopes a few will vote better in 2020, even if some will be acting out in their signatures ways all over again?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

WordsMatter

(80 posts)
2. This would be great advice for all candidates to ask their supporters to be respectful!
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:35 PM
Feb 2019

Edited to add:

Every candidate needs to ask their supporters to be respectful!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
6. Well, it certainly was Needed for BS to do it.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:37 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
7. No other campaigns have "supporters" who act this way.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:42 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
10. Please give warning before making such statements
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 09:00 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
16. You've got it exactly backwards.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:16 PM
Feb 2019

I’m not going to be gaslighted.

Thanks anyway.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
86. Oh bullshit
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:41 AM
Feb 2019

They ALL have supporters who act this way. Don't be absurd, you know this to be true.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
88. Not on a grand scale like this. BS obvioulsy felt the need to
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:55 AM
Feb 2019

come out with this plea to his surrogates and fans.. no other candidates that I've heard of has ever had to do this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
99. False equivalency.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:39 AM
Feb 2019

Please provide examples.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JudyM

(29,270 posts)
101. LULZed
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:53 AM
Feb 2019

You must’ve fogotten to add the sarcasm smilie.

If you stick around, let's see then what you observe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #7)

 

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
3. good statement
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:35 PM
Feb 2019

...I like his decision to make a statement like this to his supporters in both a prominent but personal way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
5. Bit too late, Bernie...nt
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:37 PM
Feb 2019

Sid

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,790 posts)
108. Yeah like 3 years too late!!
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:22 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,405 posts)
8. Kicked and recommended.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:51 PM
Feb 2019

Thanks for the thread babylonsister.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mcar

(42,372 posts)
9. I certainly hope they listen
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 08:54 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
11. Now if only
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 09:09 PM
Feb 2019

Bernie supporters were stopped being called:

Racist
Misogynist
Not bona fide Democrats (or other variations)
Homophobes
Xenophobes
and on
and on
and on

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
15. Why was it okay for sanders delegates to boo Congressman John Lewis at the National Convention?
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:12 PM
Feb 2019

This was a planned stunt. The Clinton campaign knew about it 20 to 30 minutes in advance and warned her delegates. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop it and declined.

My whip was working for the DNC during the mid terms. I have no doubt that this incident will come out if sanders gets to Super Tuesday

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
18. It was an unforgivable moment. Booing John Lewis was shameful.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:28 PM
Feb 2019

I’ll believe a change of behavior when I see it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
21. Maybe because
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:40 PM
Feb 2019

Congressman Lewis did this:

[link:https://videodelivery.nbcnews.com/progressive/3aaae01e-e0f4-439d-aa7a-8d5e3e774105/84bd01d5-6265-4738-96ce-2d7c7340ef2a/076ea1a2-a35b-11e4-bfdb-005056837bc7/1/0/-1770689046/content.mp4|

“To be very frank, I never saw him, I never met him. I chaired the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for three years, from 1963 to 1966. I was involved in sit-ins, in the Freedom Rides, the March on Washington, the March from Selma to Montgomery ... but I met Hillary Clinton".

It's dishonest. First, Bernie was in Chicago during that time protesting for civil rights. He may not have done enough by some peoples standards, but that's no reason to say he did nothing. Second, he didn't meet Hillary Clinton during that time, as his statement infers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
22. So you are ignoring the instructions given by sanders to his surrogates described in the OP?
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:44 PM
Feb 2019

No one expected sanders supporters to listen to him. I saw this at the National Convention.

I am looking forward to the ads showing this incident being used in Southern states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
25. Because I tell you why
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:50 PM
Feb 2019

Congressman Lewis was boo'd I'm now going against instructions of civility?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
43. No one expected sanders surrogates to pay any attention to sander's instructions
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:54 PM
Feb 2019

BTW a true national treasure, Congressman John Lewis, is ion the Oscars right now

This makes me smile

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
46. John Lewis on the "Red Carpet". An inspiring American hero.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:00 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
85. I have been fortunate enough to have heard John Lewis tell the same story 4 times
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:32 AM
Feb 2019

I have been fortunate to hear John Lewistell his “preaching to chicken” story four times in person. John Lewis is a national treasure

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
90. Everyone can make mistakes and everyone should be able to be held accountable
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:29 AM
Feb 2019

You can't just paint someone as a national treasure that can never be criticized under any circumstances, that's riduculous. John Lewis is an inspiration and a great man, but he is still a human being with all the weaknesses that brings with it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(25,609 posts)
91. What "mistake" that Lewis "should be able to be held accountable" is that?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:40 AM
Feb 2019

What "weaknesses" are you talking about?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
98. Interesting, when someone says that about Senator Sanders....
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:36 AM
Feb 2019

Many supporters will call that "Bernie Hate."

What specific "mistake" are you talking about?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
27. You never did come up with a video. Did you?
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:53 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
33. Denial is not just a river in Africa
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:05 PM
Feb 2019

Your claims were proven false on the other thread that you ran away from.

The southern primaries will be fun

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
34. So you have the video? Would you mind posting it?
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:06 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #34)

 

George II

(67,782 posts)
45. I'm curious, you've been a staunch Sanders supporter for years and now you choose Yang....
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:57 PM
Feb 2019

...as the candidate you chose here in this forum? An epiphany?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
84. He is now supporting Biden
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:28 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
23. So booing a colleague who got his head knocked in for civil rights was acceptable?
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:44 PM
Feb 2019

On a national stage when we were trying to unify against pretty much the worst human being the republicans have ever nominated?

That is the argument you are making?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
28. Never said it was acceptable
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:56 PM
Feb 2019

2 wrongs don't make a right.

What John Lewis did was wrong. Yes he's a civil rights icon, yes he's done amazing things for our country. He's still human and not infallible and in this instance he was wrong.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
32. I don't think Bernie has any control over his supporters behavior
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:01 PM
Feb 2019

Which is a good thing or a bad thing depending on how you look at it.

I would not cast all people that support Sanders in the same bucket. A pastor friend of mine who we agree to disagree who is the model of civility is a strong supporter. Bernie does attract the anti-establishment crowd which is not going to listen to many instructions from a leader.

Hopefully he picks people that have more self control for his delegates in 2020.


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Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
35. I don't think any candidate has control over their supporters
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:15 PM
Feb 2019

Many of campaigns have had to apologize or back track because of a surrogate or supporter

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
36. They tend to have control over the people they send to conventions
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:20 PM
Feb 2019

or at the very least do their best to pick people who aren't going to be a news story.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
37. I'll just leave this here
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:26 PM
Feb 2019

"There's a special place in hell for women who don't help each other" - Madeleine Albright

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
44. She had said that for 25 years before it became controversial nt.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:56 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
78. This is from a sanders delegate
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:41 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
115. What does that have to do with an organized attack on John Lewis? An entirely different...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:13 PM
Feb 2019

...context and situation.

We're still waiting for Sanders to acknowledge his supporters' actions and apologize for them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

LisaM

(27,827 posts)
126. Yes, and the conventions had entirely different tones. The HRC people did not tape their mouths.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:36 PM
Feb 2019

shut. Obama was not booed. Hillary made a barnraiser of a speech about Obama. She did not sit in the stands with her arms folded, glowering at him for three days and nights. Her spouse wasn't visibly pissed.

The article you cite article came out a full three weeks before the convention. As of the actual 2016 convention, Sanders had not conceded, and had not held two joint fundraisers and agreed to participate in additional rallies, as your article states Hillary did in 2008.

Clinton conceded - or "suspended her campaign" in early June 2008, almost two and a half months before the convention. Of course there were wounds. But there was also a big healing period, and HRC became about the most enthusiastic Obama supporter out there.


While her loyalists continue to beat the war drums, Clinton appears to be making peace. She has agreed to participate in a rally for Obama in Nevada Friday and to appear at another event for him in Florida August 21. They held two joint fundraisers in New York last month.

Shortly after conceding the race, Clinton endorsed Obama, and last night they issued a joint statement again pledging unity. "We are working together to make sure the fall campaign and the convention are a success," they said in their announcement. "At the Democratic convention, we will ensure that the voices of everyone who participated in this historic process are respected and our party will be fully unified heading into the November election."
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
77. Real candidates and real campaigns vet their delegates
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:39 AM
Feb 2019

In the real world there is a concept called vetting. Each candidate has absolute approval rights over their delegates. I know that I was vetted and I helped vet other Clinton delegates. We had no issues at the convention other than the mini-riot when the sanders delegates demanded that we condemn Clinton and vote for sanders. I had to calm down a labor delegate who was very upset by the circus caused by the sanders delegates.

Again, my daughter was my guest to this event. A group of sanders delegates decide to scream obscenities at her and call her the c-word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. The last two nights of the convention the Chair of the State Party made the head of the sanders delegation set next to two sanders delegates who were screaming obscenities and acting up. This was amusing in that the head of the sanders delegation was an idiot who had been fired during 2012 convention for trading VIP tickets for sex (I wonder why he ended up working for sanders).

I have a friend who worked for sanders who was one of the people who complained about sexual harassment by members of the sanders campaign https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016224223 Sarah was excluded from the sanders event and she is being attacked even now by the sanders senior people who harassed her. I seriously doubt that we will see any change in the behavior of the sanders surrogates

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
97. So why not Sanders? (nt)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:32 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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George II

(67,782 posts)
49. The fact is what he said was true. He never saw him. It's not "dishonest". As you point out....
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:07 AM
Feb 2019

....Sanders was in Chicago at the time. How could he see someone who was more than a thousand miles away.

Was what he said untrue? Do you dispute the fact that Lewis never saw him? Was Sanders ever in Selma, Montgomery, or IN the March on Washington? By the way, shortly after graduating from the University of Chicago he didn't settle down in his home of Brooklyn, he didn't go down to Alabama or Mississippi or Georgia, he settled in the state with the lowest % of Black in the country at the time - 3%!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
63. If that's the twist you're going with
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:38 AM
Feb 2019

that's your right. But Congressman Lewis inferred Bernie Sanders was not involved what so ever in any civil rights actions. And that's dishonest.

Believing Bernie Sanders is racist because he moved to Vermont is horseshit. It's your right to believe it, but it's still horseshit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(25,609 posts)
66. Lewis: "I was responding to a reporter's question who asked me to assess Senator Sanders'
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:02 AM
Feb 2019

civil rights record. I said that when I was leading and was at the center of pivotal actions within the civil rights movement, I did not meet Senator Sanders at any time. The fact that I didn't meet him in the movement does not mean I doubted that Senator Sanders participated in the civil rights movement, neither was I attempting to disparage his activism. Thousands sacrificed in the 1960s whose names we will never know ... ."

He did not infer anything.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
71. That was the clean up statement
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:22 AM
Feb 2019

After getting backlash from his original statement. His statement was he didn't see Bernie but he saw Hillary. He didn't see Hillary at that time either. His original statement was dishonest.

Lets be real clear here. By no means am I saying this has any impact what so ever on the decades of his statesmanship. He is a leader in many areas besides civil rights. He's been fighting for more than just his constituents but the whole country, which deserves more respect than has been given at times. But he's still a man and isn't infallible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(25,609 posts)
74. All he said was that he hadn't met Bernie or seen him.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:30 AM
Feb 2019

Bernie lived in Chicago. Impossible for anyone to know all the college-aged activists in the country. Booing someone for saying they don't remember a college student in the '60s: What a thing to get worked up about.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
80. There is some history here that is sad but needs to mentioned
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:55 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
96. Are you calling John Lewis a liar?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:31 AM
Feb 2019

And you think that Sanders should not have denounced that booing?

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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
111. Really? That makes it OK for his supporters to boo John Lewis?
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:59 AM
Feb 2019

That incident is a great illustration of the problem that many Dems, myself included, have with a certain segment of Bernie supporters. No, not all Bernie supporters, it's likely just some of the 25% of 2016 Bernie primary voters that didn't go on to vote for Clinton in the general election.

Booing John Lewis? Because he endorsed the wrong candidate and said something that some people disagreed with? That's wrong.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

yardwork

(61,700 posts)
142. I believe in listening to people of color when they describe their experiences.
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 12:47 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
72. Behaviors that should always be commented on no matter who they support. nt
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:23 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tirebiter

(2,539 posts)
87. That has to be earned.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:55 AM
Feb 2019

They're capable. It's a matter of wanting it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
12. Guess he and some of his acolytes are realizing the damage they've done..
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 09:55 PM
Feb 2019

Too late here though.

#ADBB

Never BS.

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Undecided
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
13. Way Too Late.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 09:59 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
20. Too little too late.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:38 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
14. I saw how much control sanders had over his surrogates at the national convention
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:03 PM
Feb 2019

I was a delegate to the national convention. In real campaigns, the candidates carefully vet their delegates because the conduct of such delegates reflect on the candidate. I know that I was vetted. Vetting is important in that delegates can change their vote and the conduct of a candidates delegates reflects on the party and the candidate.

The Sunday night before the convention sanders sent a text to his delegates asking them to behave. My whip showed us the text and warned us. I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders if he runs in 2020.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.




sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused

I really have no confidence that sanders surrogates will pay any attention to sanders. sanders declined to stop his delegates from booing Congressman John Lewis. sanders did nothing to try to control the bad behavior of his delegates. The lastest e-mail is not likely to be complied with by sanders surrogates.

I hope that I am wrong but I saw how much control sanders has over his surrogates at the National Convention.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
17. I really appreciate you posting this, Goth
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:24 PM
Feb 2019

Thank you

I posted earlier to someone who agreed we didn't have to be there to know what happened.. I mentioned your experience as best I could.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=5350

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Joe Biden
 

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
64. Thank you for the post. nt
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:41 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,496 posts)
82. I was there in person
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:58 AM
Feb 2019

This and other incidents at the convention are hard to forget

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,609 posts)
83. Thank you, it's great to have someone who was there, here.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:13 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Docreed2003

(16,870 posts)
121. Thank you for reminding us just how bad it was
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:36 PM
Feb 2019

The public spectacle on TV was bad enough, but to hear stories on the ground and in the rooms where these events occurred are powerful. Thank you for sharing again!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Gothmog (Reply #14)

 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
170. This needs a kick.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:04 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
24. He has no control over them to begin with and never has
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:47 PM
Feb 2019

If he had not decided to run the ones that engage in this type of behavior would have found another candidate. This is not all Sanders supporters.

They gravitate towards him because he is anti-establishment. If he won the Presidency half of them would be in the streets protesting some decision he made within a few months.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
29. OMG! Why is this even needed in the first place? What does that tell you?
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:58 PM
Feb 2019

Who ever heard of such a thing?



PS: It's a damn shame that John Lewis didn't get the respect he deserved AFTER the primaries and AT the convention.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
62. This is how BS talks about his "opponents"..
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:32 AM
Feb 2019
Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For’

After the 2016 election, Sanders hit a similar theme when he told a crowd of supporters “It’s not good enough for somebody to say ‘hey I’m a Latina vote for me’ that is not good enough,” and went on to add “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman, vote for me.'”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251
If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
93. When one states they are the only ethical choice among candidates
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:07 AM
Feb 2019

that doesn't exactly send a message of promoting courtesy to one's opponents.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
123. No it Doesn't, ehrnst. It's insulting and condescending.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:17 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
31. This is a nice gesture. It's my hope that....
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 10:59 PM
Feb 2019

it is my hope that his followers respect his wishes. I'm cautiously optimistic about this primary season.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
38. BS needs to make sure Nina/jill stein supporter/ Turner gets the memo..
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:30 PM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
39. Actions speak louder than words.
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:43 PM
Feb 2019

Appointing Ms Turner was a pretty clear statement of his intentions.

Back-at-cha

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
40. Precisely, crazytown.. he says this while appointing
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:47 PM
Feb 2019

nina "Dems and fascists trumpers are the same" turner as his co-chair.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
47. And WE are different
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:03 AM
Feb 2019

WE will promise you the earth moon and sky. YOU DON’T have to THINK about how WE will get it through CONGRESS. TRUST NO ONE ELSE. They’ve all SOLD OUT.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
51. And, remember.. they are our "opponents".. Do as I say
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:09 AM
Feb 2019

Not as I do..

Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For’

After the 2016 election, Sanders hit a similar theme when he told a crowd of supporters “It’s not good enough for somebody to say ‘hey I’m a Latina vote for me’ that is not good enough,” and went on to add “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman, vote for me.'”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
60. July 12 "We're going to fight as hard as we can"
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:24 AM
Feb 2019
Right now, I am a Democrat obviously and we’re going to fight as hard as we can to transform the Democratic Party. So that’s where I am right now.

Fight to keep Trump out of the Whitehouse?
Fight to elect Hillary Clinton as our first Woman President?

No fight our ‘Democratic Opponents’ to remake THEIR party in OUR own image. Not because WE got the votes or anything. Just because.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
94. Why yes, that's sends a very clear message of courtesy towards one's opponents.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:10 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
125. Yes, to "one's opponents".. Do as I say.. not
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:21 PM
Feb 2019

as I do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
41. If he meant it, he wouldn't refer to Democrats as "opponents."
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:50 PM
Feb 2019

But he still does.

The GOP & co. are the opponents of Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
48. Here's BS using "Opponents" again for brilliant DEMS..
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:04 AM
Feb 2019
Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For’

After the 2016 election, Sanders hit a similar theme when he told a crowd of supporters “It’s not good enough for somebody to say ‘hey I’m a Latina vote for me’ that is not good enough,” and went on to add “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman, vote for me.'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251

Condescendingly and insulting.. like We don't know who we're voting for.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
107. Further evidence indicating an abject contempt and disrespect for the Democratic party.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:13 AM
Feb 2019

Further evidence indicating an abject contempt and disrespect for the Democratic party. But, if someone goes around spreading demoralizing DISINFORMATION about the Democratic party (such as lies that the Democrats are the "party of the elite" or the "party of the one percent&quot then it all makes sense. Everything that's come before fits into place, and there's no incongruity with the other examples of contempt for the Democratic party, its candidates and its leadership.

I know it's not the topic of this OP, but I feel compelled to point out again that the choice of Nina Fucking Turner (a supporter of, and voter for Jill Fucking Stein) is one of the BIGGEST slaps in the face ever. What outrageous disdain and disrespect! I hear Susan Fucking Sarandon needs a job too. Why not? How much worse can it get?

All I'm saying is, things like this are REPEATED examples of the lack of respect towards the party (and the leadership) of which he's supposed to be an "ally". Why? Something doesn't fit. What's wrong with this picture?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
131. Generally speaking, I think that the public is better served by candidates who are not tone-deaf...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:22 PM
Feb 2019

Generally speaking, I think that the public is better served by candidates who are not tone-deaf and who have a more modern and realistic view of people's identities (along with an honest understanding and acceptance of the special needs, obstacles, challenges, prejudices and phobias, etc. that people must deal with). I think it's important for the candidate that I support to NOT be dismissive. When I see people doing that, I know that it comes from a place of privilege, and therefore the candidate (no matter how "nice" he or she may seem to be) is not the candidate for me.

All I'm saying is that I have higher standards, and that I'm less forgiving and less willing to look the other way when it comes to how a candidate treats his (or her) party or how a candidate treats his (or her) constituents.

If we just watch closely and listen carefully, these things make themselves more and more evident every day.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
132. Yeah, "tone deaf" doesn't cut
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:24 PM
Feb 2019

it with me, either.




If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
67. Yes, and specifically "our Democratic opponents"
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:06 AM
Feb 2019

IMHO, He's completely distancing himself from the percieved lesser than Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
70. "Our Democratic opponents" implies the assumption that "we" (his acolytes)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:14 AM
Feb 2019

are a separate entity altogether, indeed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(8,684 posts)
103. Exactly. He should have said "other Democratic candidates" or "fellow Democratic candidates".
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:55 AM
Feb 2019

I don't think he sees other Democrats as being on the same team. That's why he refuses to join the party except when he wants to run as a candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. He should not be "polite", he should tell them straight out - RESPECT our opponents. I wonder...
Sun Feb 24, 2019, 11:54 PM
Feb 2019

...why does he have to specify "our Democratic opponents"? Does he still not consider himself one of "us"?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
50. Here's BS insulting and condescendingly using "Opponents" for Dems Again..
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:08 AM
Feb 2019
Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For’

After the 2016 election, Sanders hit a similar theme when he told a crowd of supporters “It’s not good enough for somebody to say ‘hey I’m a Latina vote for me’ that is not good enough,” and went on to add “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman, vote for me.'”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251
"Do as I say Not as I Do".
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
53. Hmph, and they say that Dianne Feinstein was "condescending".
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:12 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
57. It's ok for BS.. but no one else.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:17 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
75. He could learn the word "challenger" but he wants to remove himself from the lesser than.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:33 AM
Feb 2019

And that my lesser than friends, is all you need to remember about that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
89. He could.. he could have
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:06 AM
Feb 2019

not chosen the divisive Nina Turner as co-chair of his campaign, too.

But.. Nooooo..

Aloha, flea

If I were to vote in a presidential
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
106. That's a very astute observation. He probably does NOT...
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:03 AM
Feb 2019
why does he have to specify "our Democratic opponents"? Does he still not consider himself one of "us"?
That's a very astute observation. Every indication is that he probably does NOT consider himself to be "one of us". The contempt for the Democratic party is clear.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
52. Ugh. Civility is lost. Even here. nt
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:10 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
55. BS opened this up.. We have memories..
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:15 AM
Feb 2019

you think we're not going to be skeptical just because BS asks his fans and surrogates to be nice to his "opponents"?

And, picks nina turner to be his co-chair..



This his how BS speaks to his "Opponents"..

Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For’

After the 2016 election, Sanders hit a similar theme when he told a crowd of supporters “It’s not good enough for somebody to say ‘hey I’m a Latina vote for me’ that is not good enough,” and went on to add “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman, vote for me.'”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251

Condescending and Insulting.. like We Don't Know Who we're Voting for.
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fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
76. You're trying to normalize something that isn't normal behavior.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:34 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
116. I haven't seen civility here..
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:15 PM
Feb 2019

in a looooooooong time..

I just got called a Russian provocateur not to long ago.. I guess I'll ad Puerto Rican Russian to my bio, I can't imagine what AOC goes through on a daily basis.. mind numbingly asinine ppl on the internetz

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
54. I'm convinced that BS sees Democrats as his opponents.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:15 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
58. I am.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:22 AM
Feb 2019
Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For’

After the 2016 election, Sanders hit a similar theme when he told a crowd of supporters “It’s not good enough for somebody to say ‘hey I’m a Latina vote for me’ that is not good enough,” and went on to add “It is not good enough for somebody to say, ‘I’m a woman, vote for me.'”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211722251

Condescending and insulting.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Maru Kitteh

(28,342 posts)
65. It's not like he hides it or anything. He says it quite plainly, in the open. nt
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:02 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,609 posts)
68. That's twice in the last couple of weeks.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:12 AM
Feb 2019

And we who insist on voting for Democrats are as well because we vote wrong.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Maven

(10,533 posts)
56. That horse has left the barn, Bern. nt
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:16 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,609 posts)
69. That horse has left the barn and is on the ship that has sailed.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:14 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RandySF

(59,167 posts)
79. I hope people aren't docxed like they were in 2016.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 01:46 AM
Feb 2019

All I can is that primary Twitter became a cesspool over the last two weeks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
92. Maybe John Lewis sat him down and had a talk. (nt)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:04 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Paladin

(28,271 posts)
100. Too little, too late, Bernie. (nt)
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:47 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

samnsara

(17,634 posts)
102. they werent controlled the first time around.. this time will be no different im afraid..
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:53 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,643 posts)
112. But this will backfire and turn off voters I think.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 11:11 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tinrobot

(10,914 posts)
119. Because many of his online "supporters" were bots & Russian trolls
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:25 PM
Feb 2019

And you're correct, it is not going to be different this time out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

samnsara

(17,634 posts)
104. i hope this applies to the behavior that was exhibited toward older- usually female-..
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:55 AM
Feb 2019

..participants at the caucuses. What was observed was close to criminal imho. this time it WILL be filmed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
113. It's about 3 years late, but good for him finally taking my advice on something
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 11:34 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

forklift

(401 posts)
117. Good for Bernie
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 12:47 PM
Feb 2019

In addition, he should distance himself from Waleed Shahid and his doctored video immediately.

Waleed is radioactive and will bring poor Bernie down. Bernie has the high road and he should condemn Waleed Shahid. My respect for Bernie will grow to astronomical levels if he did that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
124. Yes, he should distance himself from
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:19 PM
Feb 2019

Waleed Shahid and Nina Turner, too.. while he's at it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dogman

(6,073 posts)
128. The video was not doctored.
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:51 PM
Feb 2019

Two minute clips were released as well as the whole video at their site.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

forklift

(401 posts)
129. Selective editing and choosing parts
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 05:11 PM
Feb 2019

is doctoring.

When the whole video came out, it didn't appear bad at all.

I am only thinking from Bernie's image standpoint. I don't want Bernie's pristine persona tarnished by the likes of Waleed Shahid.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

prredlin

(43 posts)
122. this is far more of a rebuke of trump
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 02:59 PM
Feb 2019

than anyone else. I'd expect ALL candidates to do the same to remain united against Trumplethinskin.

Good on ya Bernie!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
138. No, it isn't.. that's not the reality of the
Wed Feb 27, 2019, 03:34 AM
Feb 2019

situation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
127. Like That Cult is going to listen....
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 04:49 PM
Feb 2019

Appreciate the effort but its three years too damn late Bernie....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #127)

 

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
136. Calls to mind a line from "A Few Good Men":
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:36 AM
Feb 2019
If you gave an order that Santiago wasn't to be touched, and your orders are always followed, then why would Santiago be in danger?"
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lillypaddle

(9,581 posts)
137. LOL
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:03 PM
Feb 2019

Knock yourself out, Bernie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
143. But, will they listen?
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 08:04 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
144. So, BS hires "Attack Dog" Sirota and
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 09:36 PM
Mar 2019

John Lewis Harasser, Brianna joy



Here she is again.. saying "trump is right"..


Oh look Briahna deleted a tweet.. sneaky deleters.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
146. Yes, so of course she gets
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 10:29 PM
Mar 2019

hired.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MustLoveBeagles

(11,632 posts)
150. It's sad to see him hiring these awful people
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 11:27 PM
Mar 2019

I supported Bernie in 2016 (voted for Hillary in the general) but now? Nope. I'm done.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
160. "Devin Nunes Cocaine BJ Cow Did Treason"?
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 01:50 AM
Mar 2019

Agreed. One of the very worst trolls on twitter

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
148. No, it did Not. That's why
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 10:32 PM
Mar 2019

I thought of it and Kicked it UP.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dalton99a

(81,569 posts)
149. And new revelations about Sirota
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 10:36 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RandySF

(59,167 posts)
151. His new social media director called me a "motherfucker" in 2008 during discussion about Obama.
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 11:31 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RandySF

(59,167 posts)
154. I don't remember the exact details, just that I was defending Obama.
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 11:40 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
152. The hammering on Sanders here has never stopped.
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 11:33 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
162. It never started from me until today
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 01:58 AM
Mar 2019

I am finally seeing what others understood all along

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
169. Oh? the way BS "hammers" on
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 12:37 AM
Mar 2019

Dems?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,609 posts)
155. Bookmarking for future reference.
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 12:23 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

David__77

(23,484 posts)
156. I appreciate his sentiment.
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 12:50 AM
Mar 2019

...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
157. He scrapped that by hiring Sirota and
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 01:26 AM
Mar 2019

Briahna.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
158. Yeah that fine sentiment had a half-life of about 10 minutes.
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 01:39 AM
Mar 2019

He about-faced in record time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
159. As we knew it would.. it
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 01:45 AM
Mar 2019

was ridiculous on the face of it.

ucr

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
163. At the first sign of trouble he reverts to form
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:02 AM
Mar 2019

and the fact that Sirota was already attached to the campaign in an undisclosed way when he said it is even more disturbing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
165. Yep.. sneaky 20,288 tweets Deleter..
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:54 AM
Mar 2019


BACKFIRE!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
164. BS hired two "Attack Dogs", melman..
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 02:13 AM
Mar 2019




lol@stupidly giving trump props..




Screenshots taken before the mass Twitter deletion preserve the role that Sirota was playing to his 125,000 followers, trying to turn the early online conversation about the 2020 primary race against other candidates, all while unofficially advising Sanders.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/sanders-promised-civility-hired-twitter-attack-dog/585259/

A couple of tweets, Sirota Deleted..

David Sirota on Twitter: "It's interesting that the Dem establishment ...


?lang=en
David Sirota on Twitter: "If you are going to blame Trump's election ...


Wonder what they said?.. lol
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
166. Is his sentiment reflected in the two hires he made yesterday and his choice of co-chairman?
Wed Mar 20, 2019, 10:21 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,574 posts)
167. Kick for a reminder for BS on what he said then.
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 12:03 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
168. It's hard to take this seriously when he hires David Sirota and Briahna Joy Gray n/t
Thu Mar 21, 2019, 12:27 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
171. Zero credibility after that.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:20 PM
Mar 2019

You're correct.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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