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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:15 PM Feb 2020

Bloomberg vs Bernie is actually a pretty decent test of electability for the GE.

Bloomberg is a former Republican who supported W, has a history of saying offensive things about minorities and women, and who in his political career, up until about a month ago, has promoted many policies that are opposed to what the majority of Democrats want. Bernie, on the other hand, has massive grassroots support, and is running on a platform of policies that are highly popular with Democratic voters.

Without his billions, Bloomberg would have no chance at all. But Bloomberg does have billions.

Since it seems it's gonna come down to those two, it will also be a test of two different theories of how to win elections. The first is with grassroot support and popular policies. The second is through sheer bombardment of cash.

If Bernie wins, then people who doubt his electability should at least be comforted by the fact that his grassroot support and progressive policies were able to overcome the best funded campaign in the history of American politics.

And if Bloomberg wins, people who doubt his electability should be at least comforted by the fact that his billions were able to defeat one of if not the most popular politician in America, who has a huge base of support, and is running on a platform with great appeal.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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Bloomberg vs Bernie is actually a pretty decent test of electability for the GE. (Original Post) DanTex Feb 2020 OP
My question is will Bernie supporters vote for Bloomberg in the general election? spin Feb 2020 #1
Most yes, just as most supported Hillary. And the ones that don't... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #3
TBF, that is right in Sanders' wheelhouse nobuddy Feb 2020 #2
Bernie Sanders is very popular with his supporters. MineralMan Feb 2020 #4
That's not what the polls say, so I'm not sure what you're basing that on. DanTex Feb 2020 #6
See this: MineralMan Feb 2020 #8
That doesn't look like a poll to me. DanTex Feb 2020 #9
Very Astute You Are... MineralMan Feb 2020 #10
"Jill Stein is the one with the detrimental attitude. Strange that you don't have a problem" LanternWaste Feb 2020 #15
Two old white men (age 78), facing off against an old white man (73) frazzled Feb 2020 #5
What makes you think it's gonna come down to those two? Media hype? Pro-male bias? Other? ancianita Feb 2020 #7
The way the polls are looking, and the early results. Maybe it won't. DanTex Feb 2020 #12
The polls look to be male run with predominantly male respondents, and no explanation of the ancianita Feb 2020 #14
gotta love the compliment to trump... msongs Feb 2020 #11
For many it's easier to accept "Former Republican" over "Current Socialist". NurseJackie Feb 2020 #13
A 3 term Republican mayor who also happens to be a Wall Street billionaire is a Bernie dream foe Baclava Feb 2020 #16
Exactly. Former Republican just means "Independent". R B Garr Feb 2020 #18
We have to see Bloomberg in the debates before we can assess his prospects Yavin4 Feb 2020 #17
 

spin

(17,493 posts)
1. My question is will Bernie supporters vote for Bloomberg in the general election?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:21 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
3. Most yes, just as most supported Hillary. And the ones that don't...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:26 PM
Feb 2020

..are likely to be offset by the reverse, the voters who would be willing to vote for Bloomberg but not Sanders.

So I think either can win. The key may be WHERE they draw their votes from.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nobuddy

(215 posts)
2. TBF, that is right in Sanders' wheelhouse
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:22 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
4. Bernie Sanders is very popular with his supporters.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:27 PM
Feb 2020

With everyone else, not so much, really. The real question is whether he can gain popularity with those who don't already support him enthusiastically. I don't know about that.

Bloomberg runs ads. Very well-done ads. One of the things about Bernie is that his is a personal campaign. He advertises, but here in Minnesota, he has just one ad that's running. It's OK, but not great. Yesterday, Bernie's ad ran once during the local and national news hour on my CBS affiliate. In that same hour, I saw six different Bloomberg ads. Each of them was a very, very well-done ad. Bernie's one ad was, well, meh.

Unlike Bernie's fans and supporters, most people are not all that focused on the election, really They won't visit any candidate's website, and they don't watch MSNBC. They get their news in small doses from broadcast TV networks. And there, they're seeing six superbly produced ads from Bloomberg that speak to their issues. They're seeing one ad from Bernie, and it's not all that good, as ads go.

You spend your day, much as I do, here on DU. We are not like most voters. Not even close. I recognize that. You apparently do not.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
6. That's not what the polls say, so I'm not sure what you're basing that on.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:35 PM
Feb 2020

You're right that most people don't follow politics closely, which is why Bloomberg's billions might win out. That's my point. The primary will be a test of grassroots support and popular policies versus sheer dollars. And the dollars might win. We'll see.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
9. That doesn't look like a poll to me.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:40 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
10. Very Astute You Are...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:41 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
15. "Jill Stein is the one with the detrimental attitude. Strange that you don't have a problem"
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:36 PM
Feb 2020

Weird, that.

What a difference of deeply held convictions a mere candidate makes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
5. Two old white men (age 78), facing off against an old white man (73)
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:33 PM
Feb 2020

Sigh. Trump will look young an energetic.

Face it: in real life none of these people would be able to get a real job. Looks like running for president is the new job opportunity for people over 70. (Disclosure: I will turn 70 soon; and although I am highly experienced in my field, I know no organization would hire me for a new job application.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(36,110 posts)
7. What makes you think it's gonna come down to those two? Media hype? Pro-male bias? Other?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:36 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
12. The way the polls are looking, and the early results. Maybe it won't.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:28 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ancianita

(36,110 posts)
14. The polls look to be male run with predominantly male respondents, and no explanation of the
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:35 PM
Feb 2020

validity or reliability of their sampling. Period.

Polls are bullshit right now. But they do show what candidates they DON'T care about. The women -- candidates OR voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,421 posts)
11. gotta love the compliment to trump...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:26 PM
Feb 2020

"And if Bloomberg wins, people who doubt his electability should be at least comforted by the fact that his billions were able to defeat one of if not the most popular politician in America, who has a huge base of support, and is running on a platform with great appeal."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. For many it's easier to accept "Former Republican" over "Current Socialist".
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:31 PM
Feb 2020

That's an across-the-board observation which will be very important on election day. Trump and the GOP would CLEAN BERNIE'S CLOCK!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
16. A 3 term Republican mayor who also happens to be a Wall Street billionaire is a Bernie dream foe
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:54 PM
Feb 2020

They will slug it out from here on I think

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

R B Garr

(16,955 posts)
18. Exactly. Former Republican just means "Independent".
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 04:03 PM
Feb 2020

We’ve heard for five years how Sanders’ Independents are going to take over our party. Now that someone else is beating him at his own game, they don’t like it.

Republicans are loving the idea of running against socialism, it’s going to drag us all down,

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Yavin4

(35,443 posts)
17. We have to see Bloomberg in the debates before we can assess his prospects
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:56 PM
Feb 2020

Ads are one thing. In-person, think on your feet debates are something else.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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