Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumDear Washington Post,
When will you be covering your owner's; "Bezos" aka; richest man in the world, corporation that being Amazon not paying a penny in income taxes despite making over a 11 billion dollars?
Does this seem rational to you?
(snip)
Bezos added to his business interests when he founded aerospace company Blue Origin in 2000. A Blue Origin test flight successfully first reached space in 2015, and Blue has plans to begin commercial suborbital human spaceflight in 2019. He purchased The Washington Post in 2013 for US$250 million in cash. Bezos manages other business investments through his venture capital fund, Bezos Expeditions.
On July 27, 2017, he became the world's wealthiest person when his estimated net worth increased to just over $90 billion. Bezos's wealth surpassed $100 billion for the first time on November 24, 2017, and he was formally designated the wealthiest person in the world by Forbes on March 6, 2018, with a net worth of $112 billion. The first centi-billionaire on the Forbes wealth index, he was named the "richest man in modern history" after his net worth increased to $150 billion in July 2018.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos
Amazon Will Pay a Whopping $0 in Federal Taxes on $11.2 Billion Profits
Those wondering how many zeros Amazon, which is valued at nearly $800 billion, has to pay in federal taxes might be surprised to learn that its check to the IRS will read exactly $0.00.
According to a report published by the Institute on Taxation and Economic (ITEP) policy Wednesday, the e-tail/retail/tech/entertainment/everything giant wont have to pay a cent in federal taxes for the second year in a row.
This tax-free break comes even though Amazon almost doubled its U.S. profits from $5.6 billion to $11.2 billion between 2017 and 2018.
To top it off, Amazon actually reported a $129 million 2018 federal income tax rebatemaking its tax rate -1%.
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http://fortune.com/2019/02/14/amazon-doesnt-pay-federal-taxes-2019/
I know that Bernie's taxes are a major concern to you, what do you expect to find, that he didn't pay any?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,754 posts)What, exactly, do the alleged transgressions of Jeff Bezos, who is not a candidate for president, have to do with the failure of Bernie, who is a candidate for president, to produce his tax returns? Even if Bezos takes advantage of all the loopholes rich people avail themselves of with the result that he didn't pay any tax, he still has to file tax returns, and if he were running for president, which he is not, he would be asked to produce them, too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)I really enjoy my subscription to the Washington Post
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,754 posts)Trump doesn't like Bezos either; the Post has been bugging him to release his tax returns, too. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-democrats-request-10-years-of-trump-financial-records/2019/03/27/4a9b67d0-50ba-11e9-a3f7-78b7525a8d5f_story.html?utm_term=.12c973415a27
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But that's what everyone who has their eyes on the most powerful position in the world gets.
No exceptions.
When one equates the free press doing fact checks on a politician's own words with "attacking" them, that's just sad.
In the case of POTUS doing it, it's dangerous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dubyadiprecession
(5,716 posts)Piss on those assholes!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)excuse the expression "rich."
I'm not asking for Bezos to produce his income tax returns.
I'm asking why the Washington Post isn't covering why one of the biggest corporations in America with over 11 billion dollars in profits pays no taxes?
If Bernie had never filed his income taxes, (which I highly doubt) the IRS would be after him just as they would with any other American.
The first debates haven't even taken place yet and for WAPO to be chirping about taxes from one of the poorer members of the Senate is at best disingenuous while ignoring the forest fire taking place across America.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Amazon reported last month that it did not owe federal tax on its US income for 2017 and 2018 -- and in fact was due rebates from the federal government for those years.
And its US pre-tax income jumped 100 percent to $11.2 billion, the company said in regulatory filings. Its tax burden was lighter because of deductions for stock-based compensation and assets that are depreciating in value.
As a result of the 2017 Republican tax cuts, which slashed US corporate tax rates to 21 percent from 35 percent, Amazon also calculated it would receive a $789 million benefit.
But that is not to say it paid no taxes at all.
For 2018, it reported owing $322 million in taxes to US state governments and another $563 million in the rest of the world.
Fact-check: Does Amazon pay no US federal income tax?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)having the 1% pay their fair share of federal taxes.
Bezos knows it and the WAPO editorial board know it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)Stop smearing a publicly held company that is accountable to the SEC and external auditors under severe criminal penalties.
Why don't you stay on the phone to Bernie's campaign HQ insisting that they release his tax returns instead? Once he releases the tax returns, all this goes away.
What has Bernie got to hide that he won't release his tax returns? I can release 30 years of my tax returns in 15 minutes. Trust me, my tax returns are far more complex than average.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)Frankly I'm not worried about Bernie's taxes, I expect that we will find out that he is still one of the economically poorer members of the Senate with the last couple of years being his most profitable but still ranked low in terms of a Senator's wealth.
With Bernie being all too happy to raise taxes on himself as he is wealthier in order to help the nation, that's the person I see.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)IMHO they are hiding some dark secrets that would torpedo his bid which is why he is not releasing them.
I can release 30 years of my tax returns in 15 minutes. What is taking so long? He had 3 years.
Don't you ever examine your candidate critically?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)Seriously, these misdirections are getting pathetic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)I believe Bernie will release his taxes as every Presidential Candidate should but that's the tree not the forest.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)What is he hiding, and why are you covering for him?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)He aint gonna do it, ever.
I was a HUGE Obama and Hillary supporter at different times, had either refused I would NEVER have supported them
NOT releasing them MEANS they are hiding something
PERIOD
When will people wake up? when it is too late
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dazbog
(39 posts)Bernies required Senate financial disclosure form that he must file annually. I did happen to take a look at one from 2017. It included royalties from his book, and other works. It looked perfectly normal for a Senator and a writer as well.
It is more detailed than a tax return in terms of income. And it is public info. Some other person used a .com to point out the 1 tax return from 2014.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Not even close.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Amazon lost money for many years and so is now applying those losses against recent profits. This has been a part of the corporate tax code for years. Yeah, it stinks, but that may be why WAPO isn't making a big deal out of it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)Corporations are allowed to apply losses from previous year against future profits.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Many businesses fail as it is in the first few years. Allowing losses to be a credit against future profits keeps companies going until they can become established. And it allows some basic stability in the corporate world - from small players to the big boys.
It just really looks bad when an outfit like Amazon gets away with not paying taxes on billions in profit. If there's silver lining, it's that eventually Amazon will lose the credit, assuming it stays profitable.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)needs to be a cutoff.
It just really looks bad when an outfit like Amazon gets away with not paying taxes on billions in profit. If there's silver lining, it's that eventually Amazon will lose the credit, assuming it stays profitable.
I believe Amazon will still find a way to accumulate losses to offset any or most all of their tax burden, actually now that I think about it their expansion should have major write-offs.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TexasTowelie
(112,252 posts)It isn't a nefarious plot and it is used by many people when they are forced to sale a home at a loss like many did at the end of the end of the last decade.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)"I'm asking why the Washington Post isn't covering why one of the biggest corporations in America with over 11 billion dollars in profits pays no taxes? "
The article would go like this.
"Current Tax Law"
End of article.
This is nothing more than deflection from Sanders being shady about his taxes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,795 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)to US workers.
The supposed convenience of Amazon comes at a huge cost to the country.
Recommended.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)and there is nothing "toxic" about Amazon.
If you don't like Amazon, don't buy from them. Go to a local store and buy it. It is THAT simple.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But it is destroying small businesses, ferociously anti-worker, and, in my view, toxic for the long term health lof the working cxlass in the US.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)He is making it easier for elderly and disabled people to get the stuff they need.
Shopping at Amazon also has a smaller carbon footprint. Instead of thousands of cars driving to the stores to buy one or two items, Amazon uses fewer trucks to deliver thousands of items. Many of those trucks are powered by natural gas.
If one is against Amazon, it is quite simple. Don't shop at Amazon.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Bezos' goal is to enrich himself, not to help anyone else. He could easily pay a living wage, and make warehouse jobs full time and with benefits.
That was the Henry Ford model.
But like the Walton family, he is enriching himself and also driving small businesses into bankruptcy so he can make Amazon the "ONE BIG STORE FOR EVERYTHING".
The company store, updated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The richest man in the world could take a couple of billion and give all of his employees a big raise and great benefits, totally covered healthcare, pensions, everything!
The whole nine yards and he would not even notice his pile of money decreasing even a little bit.
But will he do that? Nope. He would rather sit back and watch the world burn.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)There is a book about WalMart called "the high cost of low prices".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)[link:https://www.forbes.com/sites/angelauyeung/2018/09/13/jeff-bezos-amazon-philanthropy-giving-billion-dollar-fund/#27d733f51570|]
Check out Amazon Foundation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Good try.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
cwydro
(51,308 posts)And why hasnt Bernie released his returns?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,754 posts)We were happy when they were busting on Trump for not producing his tax returns, and nobody complained about Jeff Bezos then.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)No doubt they will be tearing into corporate tax loopholes and highly profitable mega-conglomerates in general and Amazon specifically paying no taxes while making hundreds of millions or billions in profit, just any minute now.
What does WAPO's editorial board have to worry about, Bezo's could never pull strings to get them fired..right?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,754 posts)and editorials critical of Trump, including his tax returns - which they do almost every day - like this?
The Democrats' big rollout begins now. It must include a real bid for Trump's tax returns.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/04/democrats-big-rollout-begins-now-it-must-include-real-bid-trumps-tax-returns/
Friendly reminder: We still havent seen Trumps tax returns
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/friendly-reminder-we-still-havent-seen-trumps-tax-returns/2019/04/01/a6b4e340-54b9-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html
The silly ways Republicans will defend keeping Trumps tax returns secret
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/05/silly-ways-republicans-will-defend-keeping-trumps-tax-returns-secret/
The case for getting Trumps tax returns just got stronger and more urgent
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/28/case-getting-trumps-tax-returns-just-got-stronger-more-urgent/
Democrats plan to request President Trump's tax returns in 2019. Here's how they'll do it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/18/when-how-we-might-see-president-trumps-tax-returns/
Pelosi says she expects a House committee will 'take the first steps' toward obtaining Trump's tax returns
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/pelosi-says-she-expects-a-house-committee-will-take-the-first-steps-toward-obtaining-trumps-tax-returns/2018/12/13/fbc02660-feec-11e8-862a-b6a6f3ce8199_story.html
How Trumps Tax Returns Could Become Public
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/how-trumpstax-returns-could-become-public/2019/02/06/aafdc8a6-2a78-11e9-906e-9d55b6451eb4_story.html
And why hasn't Bernie released his tax returns?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,754 posts)But what does that have to do with Bernie or Jeff Bezos?
And why hasn't Bernie released his tax returns?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)It is only offsetting the losses from prior years to current income.
Every sole proprietor, partnership or a corporation can do that.
IT IS NOT A LOOPHOLE.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueTsunami2018
(3,493 posts)We know what Amazon is paying. The real problem is that because of the laws being as they are, they dont have to pay any federal taxes. They arent scamming anyone, those are the laws.
Why would the Post do a story on something that everyone already knows about?
Are you saying Bernie shouldnt release his taxes or that it doesnt matter? One of the big issues with Тяцмр is that hes hiding his. Its awfully hard to use that against him if youre doing the same thing. I dont think anyone thinks Bernie isnt paying any taxes, I think the Sanders camp is concerned that hes worth a lot more than he portrays and it will make him look bad railing against the 1% when hes a millionaire himself. That may not be the case but we dont know and thats a problem.
Every candidate should show their taxes. Thats the bottom line.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)We know what Amazon is paying. The real problem is that because of the laws being as they are, they dont have to pay any federal taxes. They arent scamming anyone, those are the laws.
Bezos knows it, the 1% know it and the former's editorial board at the Washington Post know it.
I'm not suggesting that Bernie shouldn't release his tax returns at all, any candidate for the highest office in the land should.
What I am suggesting is that the Washington Post along with other members of the corporate media are making a mountain out of a mole hill because Bernie most threatens our dysfunctional status quo.
Bernie said he will release his taxes and if he doesn't, he will start paying for it at the debates if not before but the Washington Post is acting like a small child before Christmas wanting to open his/her presents early, while all but ignoring the big picture that being a middle class being hollowed out and the numbers of Americans living on the margin continue to expand.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)Amazon is not afraid of Bernie. Bernie will not win the nomination. The handwriting is on the wall.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Farmer-Rick
(10,192 posts)Trump is their handpicked monster. They don't want to put him back into his crazy cage. Even Bezos (that is a really strange name, I always think of Bozo when I type it.) knows Trump is lining their pockets and beating down those nasty socialist and people of color who want their fair share.
Bezos is trying to ensure that the gravey train keeps coming and that one of the most socialist of all candidates is squashed. And in the process he maybe ensuring the monster gets reelected.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
namahage
(1,157 posts)I have been concerned about the slant of articles you posted since you bought the Post in 2013.
Specifically, that you would ensure your newspaper would not post anything detrimental to Amazon, particularly regarding taxes.
I submit that your quality control has been slipping of late. Specifically, articles such as these:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2019/02/16/amazon-paid-no-federal-taxes-billion-profits-last-year/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/05/bernie-sanders-introduces-stop-bezos-act-senate/
If you could ensure that you won't post any more articles critical of Amazon or Bezos (but I repeat myself, amirite?) it would mean so much to me being able to claim "fake news" but from the left.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JI7
(89,252 posts)individuals did it?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)It doesn't matter who owns WaPo or any of the news outlets.
The bottom line is
WHERE ARE BERNIE'S TAX RETURNS? WHAT IS HE HIDING?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)always the victim.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)Where are Bernie's tax returns?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,423 posts)...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
revmclaren
(2,524 posts)A huge number are current and future voters and they are NOT happy campers!
Where are the tax returns Sanders (I-VT)???
ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
David__77
(23,423 posts)Thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
yardwork
(61,666 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Socal31
(2,484 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)Having said that I agree with you, I smell Bezos' and his ilk's influence from here.
Too many of Bernie's proposed policies threaten the 1% whether it be higher taxes particularly on the wealthiest, Medicare for All, the military industrial complex, the prison for profit industry, stronger unions, livable wages etc. etc.
Peace to you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)employees a fair wage couldn't have set well with the papers owner.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
namahage
(1,157 posts)Does not mean the rest of us are in disarray.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Socal31
(2,484 posts)The current smearing is a continuation of 2016, between the Bernie camp and the DNC (Biden).
The third faction, which favors a diversity nominee, is currently able to do opposition research without much being flung back their way. But that will change.
My point isn't to put down one candidate or lift up another. They are strong candidates and I will enthusiastically support whoever the nominee is. But having the blogs and news outlets actively targeting candidates does not sit well with me.
The oppo-negativity machine can and will be used against any candidate that endangers the nomination of their primary or secondary candidate preference.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
namahage
(1,157 posts)And that includes Biden and Buttigieg.
Or are you somehow under the impression that just because I might prefer Kamala now, that I hate the others and will not back whoever ultimately represents the Democratic Party's nominee for President?
I'm sure you understand this, using a Sander's surrogate's tweet even though you proclaim to be for Mayor Pete.
Oh, and nice dig with the "diversity nominee."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Socal31
(2,484 posts)But your response reads as if you are taking it the opposite way.
The in-party negativity that tore us apart in 2016 contributed to our current nightmare. I will continue to point out entities or individuals that I believe are intentionally causing unnecessary division.
I'll ignore your implication suggested by pointing out that I used the word "diversity". Why assume the tone and motivation of a poster you disagree with instead of just asking for clarification?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
namahage
(1,157 posts)Like you did by "ignoring your implication suggested"?
But OK, I'll bite. Why was it necessary at all to bring "diversity nominee" into the argument?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)I almost miss Tad Devine.
SMH.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)your chosen one is not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PDittie
(8,322 posts)Really, really tacky.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)but really, definitely not tacky.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,060 posts)Though he owns the paper Bezos doesn't wrote for the Washington Post.
I get that you don't like the criticism of Bernie Sanders not releasing his taxes but that criticism is not limited to the Washington Post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)It's a direct deflection related to the concern of Sanders not releasing his tax returns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)his tax returns private. That's his right, just as the orange asshole has chosen to do. The fascist seem to love him for it, maybe it's a untapped voter demographic the Independent Senator from Vermont is trying to appeal to. Who knows?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
namahage
(1,157 posts)or IBS if you like three-letter acronyms, is going to Fox for a townhall, where he expects to be treated better than he was by Democrats at a CNN one.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,549 posts)What did Bernie expect to find here:
"It must be a fantastic speech, a brilliant speech which you would want to share with the American people. It must be Shakespearean!"
"If you ask me about the Clinton Foundation, do I have a problem with a sitting Secretary of State and a foundation run by her husband collecting many millions of dollars from foreign governments, many governments which are dictatorships. Yeah, I do."
"I don't want to see the American people voting for the lesser fo two evils."
The many insinuations that Democrats are beholden to Wall Street and corporations without evidence.
What did he expect to find?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Im sick of the hypocritical double standard from him and everyone supporting him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OBrien
(363 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Except Bernie has the lead in releasing his 2014 tax return.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)The weeping and gnashing of teeth commences as clay feet are noticed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,155 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Firestorm49
(4,035 posts)When you make that much money, not considering charitable contributions that he may have made, there is or should be a social responsibility to pay taxes into a system dependent on revenue to improve infrastructure, provide for the common defense, help those in need, etc. ( democratic socialism.) The goal in business has always been to pay none or as little in taxes as you can legally get away with.
We all aspire to have that amount of money, but there should be a mandatory price for success. I guarantee you, Bezos wont go broke if he had a mandatory percentage of taxes to pay. When JFK raised to top rate to 70%, corporations, rather than paying the tax to the government, used it to raise wages and add manufacturing capacity which put more people to work at a decent wage. People had more discretionary income to spend, which was put back into the economy, factories grew rather than collapsed as we are seeing now, and there was upward mobility.
This country desperately needs the wealthy to pay their fair share of taxes just like the rest of us. I know this is an arguable premise, but the underlying point is valid. The system is rigged by a corrupt political party whose mission statement is I want the money, so fuck you. And, we have indeed, been screwed by them. Society has been screwed by them. Economic growth has been screwed by them. Upward mobility has been screwed by them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)Link to tweet
Its not clear this was even necessary. Other than journalists, it was hard to find anyone who honestly thought Biden is a hugger was news; it surely wasnt new. Even Republicans had come to his rescue. Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), in a reminder of the old Lindsey Graham, remarked, I just want to say Joe Biden is my friend, and I know him very well, and whatever he did it may have been inappropriate but it was not driven by malice or misconduct. Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) also vouched for him, as has Meghan McCain.
Biden conveyed in his message why he touches people to soothe, empathize and encourage. In saying that he would resist the notion that politics has to be antiseptic, he showed that hes in public service not for glory but to help others. In short, he helped voters remember the positive qualities hes well known for, which even political opponents attest to.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 4, 2019, 04:19 PM - Edit history (1)
this is below the totem poll.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)Link to tweet
Why am I telling another Biden being Biden story? Because I believe that the character of the person who occupies the Oval Office is of the utmost importance, and because I believe that Biden, far from a bad man, is an unusually good one.....
Bidens disregard of this protocol is telling. He enters a room, just as he enters a debate about union rights or domestic violence, with a predisposition to lend an ear to the least powerful.
Judging from the reaction to the recent spate of Biden stories, time is up on avuncular attention, now interpreted as at best pernicious paternalism and at worst septuagenarian sexual harassment. In the cultural revolution under way in America, men like Biden are invited to offer their head if their prior actions deviated from the new norms.
No doubt, character counts. I, for one, admire Bidens deviant decency.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,370 posts)for the middle class and poor.
Biden Defends the Ruling Class
USER-CREATED CLIP
MAY 8, 2018 "I don't think 500 billionaires are...why we're in trouble," says the ex-VP, who acknowledges the unsustainability of the gap in wealth but adds he would shrink Social Security and Medicare.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4728533/biden-defends-ruling-class
There is a video on C-Span's link if you care to view it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)trump will use socialism to attack our nominee if we are not careful https://politicalwire.com/2019/03/21/trumps-economic-team-pushes-socialism-theme/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)Link to tweet
I was anxious, sad, and seriously swollen with emotion but was able to get a chance to meet the Vice President. Many of the local Democrats remarked what are YOU doing here? when I showed up in line at his photo opportunity. I explained my affection for VP Biden because of what I had been through, and no one blinked an eye, everyone understood. He was a good man. No matter your party.
When my turn came up to have my brief meet-and-greet and photo taken with Vice President Biden, I was nervous. Why AM I here?? But immediately, he knew my story (his staff had briefed him) and he brought me in for a long, big hug. It was exactly what I needed. We discussed Beau and my father. We talked about the recent loss of my mother he understood family tragedy. He was close, nose to nose at times and hand in hand, but it was in that personal touch that I KNEW he was a human. Not a Vice President, or a politician, or someone that was giving a speech later that night. He was a real person, who had been through real things. Just like me. We mustve talked for five minutes far more than the paying Democrat contributors got! but it was so genuine, no one would complain. Especially Mr. Biden, communicating and comparing stories with me was clearly a highlight for him amidst his political duties. I left with a giant smile on my face, the first in days, and was uplifted for a long time after. I met my hero, and he was exactly what I had expected him to be.
My point in telling this story is that, while Vice President Biden has a very personal and affectionate way about him, it is only because he loves people. He loves peoples stories. Man, woman, child. Father, mother, son, daughter, spouse. He knows people are hurting and can relate and offer genuine support. And human touch is the most basic form of relaying that. There is no ulterior motive he just wants to get close to everyone. Because he cares about their stories. And is human. And THAT is what matters most and crosses all party lines.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden