Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWashington Post-The press can't let Sanders duck the hard questions
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The same pattern now repeats itself with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). He is indulged, allowed to skip by details, avoid probing and evade hard policy questions. Wed like to hear him pinned down, not permitted to move to the next topic without answering queries such as these:
You promised over a month ago to release your tax returns. Why havent you? You say you just need to fix a few things, but arent past tax returns completed? Why does it take over a month to get them posted online? What things do you need to fix?
You shut down a foundation recently. What percentage of donations were used to pay your son and other family members? How much did you take in? What was spent on programs? Who were your major donors?....
There are a number of good questions in this article that need to be asked but the 4 paragraph rule applies
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)is a right winger.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)From the article. Sanders needs to tell us
What did you fail to do on the 2016 campaign that allowed female staffers to be harassed? How could you not have known what was going on? If you couldnt run an harassment-free campaign, why should voters think you can run an administration free from harassment?
Isnt it time for the Democratic Party to nominate a woman for president? Why dont you support one of them?
When will we see your medical records? You will be 79 years old on Election Day 2020. Isnt there a legitimate concern youll be too old to serve and/or complete your term?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
denverbill
(11,489 posts)Really? Rubin thinks it's time for Democrats to nominate a woman for President? Pretty sure we just did that 2 years ago. Maybe she meant Republicans.
How about Bernie writes his own medical report on himself like your Emperor did? Would that suffice?
As to harassment, I distinctly recall him telling his staffers not to grab anyone by the pussy. He has also never paid hush money to porn stars or Playboy models.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)You do realize that sanders will be vetted this cycle? No one took sanders seriously last cycle and so he was not vetted. Vetting is important I am so glad that sanders is being vetted this cycle https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717
Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: Theres no way to know how its going to go. But hes got his work cut out for him.
See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)
Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.
Vetting is part of the process
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
melman
(7,681 posts)Why did you try to pass this off as being 'the Washington Post" when it's Republican columnist Jennifer Rubin?
Yes, the column appears in the Post but let's not pretend we don't know the difference.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)The Washington Post has so much great reporting and analysis.
BTW, Jennifer Rubin is on MSNBC almost every night and is on AMJOY every weekend. Jennifer Rubin does a good job of analysis. You may want to watch MSNBC and learn what her positions are. I watch AMJOY every weekend
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)You know the difference between the Washington Post and an op-ed columnist.
You know that you do. I know that you do. Everyone reading this knows that you do.
So what's the point?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)All candidates need to be vetted. Do you think that sanders should not be vetted?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...about Pres. Obama and the Democrat party.
Rubin may well be allowed on television to advocate against Trump, BUT SHE IS STILL FROM THE OPPOSITION PARTY.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)We need to vet all candidates running for the nomination. Is sanders exempted from vetting?
BTW, Rubin is on MSNBC every night and on AMJOY every weekend. Have you called AMJOY or MSNBC about your concerns?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)Everyone gets Vetted.. even BS..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I already saw the op-ed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
That's why I don't need to see it again.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Sorry.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,323 posts)out their propaganda machine is ok?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
melman
(7,681 posts)Because I'm not impressed with this 'never Trumper' right-wing Republican columnist?
Sorry. Just not my thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,793 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)A column in the Washington Post is not actually from the Washington Post?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)The questions are not a hit job.
Bernie has to play the game the way others do this time.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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TexasTowelie
(112,252 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)does that pass your test for what a dem should do?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Gothmog
(145,345 posts)All of these questions need to be asked and answered if sanders is going to be the nominee
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Gothmog
(145,345 posts)Can the media vet sanders?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bradshaw3
(7,522 posts)People who want to shield candidates - especially their favorite - from answering questions by claiming "this is from a repub and only Democrats can ask Democats questions" - are doing a disservice to both voters and the candidate. Rest assured the repubs will be comign with difficult questions in the general and the Dem nominee has to be ready for it. Trying to creat a "safe space" for Democratic candidates in the primaries is a sure way to lose the general.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Bradshaw3
(7,522 posts)So to call her a right wing source is disenguous at best. I want to know all we can about the candidates. If a serious commentator like Rubin who wants tRump out of office as much as any of us has some factual, legitimate questions for Dems it would be good to listen so we don't get caught up only hearing what we want about our candidates and then get blindsided in the general. It is a good way to lose just like in 2016.
Worse in your response is blaming juries here who don't vote the way you tell them they should. Maybe you just don't want your candidate to answer tough questions. The repubs won't be that nice in the general.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,393 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,793 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Didn't his supporters go ballistic when it turned out Democratic party members asked him questions at his town hall? They dragged out their 'rigged' narrative again when people in D.C. who worked for the Democratic party dared to go to his town hall and ask him questions he and they didn't like.
It seems to me that Senator Sanders' supporters don't want him vetted at all - no questions for Bernie! Just let him talk uninterrupted and without any challenges, I guess.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)Good point, Kit
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)The CNN townhall was fiull of real Democrats who dared to ask sanders real questions
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,793 posts)She is my Senator who I met and voted for. I love her. She is one amazing woman.
When the Repukes denied her a position in the CPB, that she formed, our President asked her to run for the Senate.
Not every longtime Republican is bad. Most, I admit, not all.
PS. Senator Warren is running for President of the United States. She is doing so as a Democrat.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)My attitude is.. anybody asking.. "where in the hell are BS' tax returns?" is ok.
We know it won't be trump because he needs to show his tax returns, too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
My head hurts from all this. What a run around.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)and is making some excellent points.
All candidates will be Vetted.. even BS.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,793 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)others what to do.
Rubin is the only one asking these questions and she has the Bully Horn at the WaPo.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)Maybe she should fix her own partys problems.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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stopbush
(24,396 posts)so theyre now trying to gain influence over the Ds.
Problem is, these same Rs were never anti-Bush, anti-Reagan or anti-Nixon.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)this time .
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,749 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,460 posts)What Trump has done. She has written dozens of great columns over the past two years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(85,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,460 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...she was a republican booster before Trump stunk up the joint.
That doesn't insulate her from trolling Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
spooky3
(34,460 posts)How many of her appearances on Joy Reids and other shows have you watched?
You really should stop with the ad hominem attacks. In this column, she raises questions that many Democrats want answered also, and we want them answered BEFORE our candidate is chosen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...Joy's show isn't formatted for DU.
Fail.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)and this NOW.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)He has said so in lots of interviews.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)yourself as a critic of others. No hypocrisy.
Thanks for the link, Gothmog.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)Last time, only NYDN did and they were underwhelmed by Sanders' non-answers
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306
Sanders had no specifics -- only lofty platitudes.
he should not skate this time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)Vetting needs to be part of the process of running for office
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Accused the paper of going soft on Hillary, even as it asked her hard questions, the difference is she answered them in a point by point manner.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
flotsam
(3,268 posts)Then I found out they're talking about Bernie, not Sarah...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,749 posts)and be expected to answer them. Nobody expected Trump to win; he was considered a clown and a joke, so he wasn't made to answer hard questions (not that he'd have given honest or coherent answers anyhow). That can't happen again. We have the right to expect all candidates to address policy issues without dodging, obfuscating or ignoring questions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,250 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...Rubin may well be anti-Trump because he's soiling her party, but she's part and parcel why we have one today.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,749 posts)Her comments are specific to Bernie but they really apply to every candidate. All of them should be ready to answer difficult policy questions and not dodge them, and the press shouldn't hesitate to ask hard questions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,749 posts)that's not at all right-wing. She might be starting to see the light.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,749 posts)by people I don't always agree with. There are a few that are so fanatical that I don't bother with them, but Rubin isn't one of them. Neither is Rick Wilson. Sometimes I'll even read George Will. I'd like to think I'm smart enough to understand where they're coming from and know whether or not to reject their positions. I'd rather not remain inside a hermetically-sealed ideological bubble by reading only the material I agree 100% with.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)in the PRIMARY where he needs to be Vetted. So she is allow to ask him the tough questions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)About time. As to the foundation, it started out with 500K but after paying Jane's son 100K a year it could last very long. Am I wrong but wasn't his only managerial experience running a surf shop. At least Karina, running a woodworking shop for big money, knew how to saw wood.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,793 posts)I don't understand his comment. How and Why would a tax form that was submitted to State and Federal Government need to be fixed?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,749 posts)But unless amended returns are being filed, once a tax return has been submitted to the IRS you can't "fix a few things." So it really makes no sense at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,793 posts)that confused me a bit...hmmm.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,250 posts)and they should be. You can usually tell that when instead of answering questions, diversionary responses are given unrelated to the question poised.
Here is an interview with the NY Daily News in 2016 with someone who has been in Congress for most of their career.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bigtree
(85,999 posts)...divert from that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,250 posts)I recall someone sitting 12+ hours before hostile republicans in Congress, and had no problem dealing with it or answering questions.
Anyone can talk in sound bites and generalities, but it is when you are asked SPECIFIC questions, that is what separates someone who is qualified verses someone who isn't as qualifed
and when a supporter is asked a question, should a candidate be asked tough questions, and instead of answering that question, they defensively respond with criticism about Bezos, or that an OP Ed is from a republican, which is irrelevent to the BASIC QUESTION, and that is, SHOULD A CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT BE ASKED TOUGH QUESTIONS?
The answer only requires a binary response, YES or NO.
Thank-you for NOT answering that question either.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)That was one of the few times during that cycle that sanders was asked anything on policy and it was sad.
To be the nominee, all candidates will be vetted and will be asked questions similar to those mentioned in the OP. Refusing to answer such questions will be a factor in many voters decision to support that candidate.
I am really glad that sanders will be vetted this cycle.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,250 posts)"sound a candidate be vetted with tough questions?"
Some of the responses refused to answer that question, which lead me to believe that they don't want their candidate vetted. There is no other explanation I can think of
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)As Bernie gets asked legitimate hard questions and the weight of those questions begin to weigh on him with voters, his supporters will charge that there is collusion between the Press, the DNC and "Establishment Democrats" to destroy his chances to win the Presidency and save the world. We will be shown polls of a questionable origin that "show" that Bernie and only Bernie can beat Trump in the 2020 General. Then his supporters will get mad and we will likely see a repeat of 2016 at the convention and in the Fall, I just hope that true democrats are fully prepared to deal with the antics this time around.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)You see how the right-wingers--and the morbidly obese pussy-grabber himself--are going after Biden and of all people Crypt Keeper Kellyann has the nerve to talk about Biden's "Creepy Uncle Joe Videos." She defends a nasty-ass, sexually assaulting raping (Ivana) hog in tRump. The hog touches and kisses his own DAUGHTER in a nasty, disgusting and non-father like filthy way. Allows the likes of Stern and Simmons to talk to HIM about his daughter in a sexual manner. Hog said himself that if Ivanka wasn't his kid, he'd do her, er, I mean date her. Yeah, I've noticed Biden's "hands on behavior" for a while now. Even said to myself YIKES when he touched that biker woman in that diner a few years back. But, if you think the way that many on the right/corporate media, and even some Dems are trying to take him down, I feel strongly that the 1972 essay Bernie wrote will be getting a TON of exposure, and we know thuglicans will go into overdrive with it. I wouldn't be surprised of hog-in-chief didn't say that Bernie said at one of his rallies that "Bernie likes the idea of women being raped." You know how tRump puts HIS sins (Fatso raped Ivana) on others. I can see hoggie, many in the corporate media, and thuglicans going on and on about that 1972 essay, forcing Bernie to answer WHY he wrote it, and if Bernie/his camp don't answer that question correctly, then well I'm no Bernie-hater, but if he's having this much trouble over his taxes, then if a subject of a sexual manner is thrown into the mix and talked about continually, then he'll REALLY have trouble answering why he wrote the 1972 essay.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)unequal pay to women in his 2016 campaign. His answer for the shortcoming on releasing his taxes and the issues with women in his campaign was that he was very busy. Hillary was "very busy" in 2008, but she addressed a single sexual harrassment incident in her 2008 campaign with thoroughness.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)defend the substance of the article ?
All Democratic candidates need to be properly vetted this time, because you can bet Trump will hit them with every bit of dirt he can get.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,546 posts)Especially silly when it's something anyone would say, like "Sanders should be vetted." Post after post about Jeff Bezos owing the Washington Post and therefore controlling every op-ed in a sinister corporate way, or that CNN, MSNBC, etc. sell "corporate media conglomerate spin," or taking the time to dig up dirt on someone who retweeted something. Yet all is forgiven if any of those sources say something nice about Bernie.
Why not just yell FAKE NEWS and get it over with.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Rubin makes excellent points, but it's mean ol' Republican Rubin, so her questions need not be answered.
In fact, Bernie can not and should not ever be questioned or vetted by anyone. He is pure as the driven Vermont snow and our True Savior. We are all unworthy to question him.
Bernie's message is a pretty good one, but he is the wrong messenger. He has become no longer a political leader, but a cult leader.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,749 posts)but without the baggage. Bernie isn't the be-all and end-all for people who consider themselves progressives anymore. And all candidates, Bernie included, need to be thoroughly vetted - and as early in the process as possible. If there's something dodgy in someone's past financial dealings we need to know about it before we nominate a candidate with that kind of vulnerability. And we already have a president with a cult following; we sure don't need any more of that.
I got slagged elsewhere in this thread for actually sticking up for mean ol' Republican Jennifer Rubin, but she was right on the money this time. Bernie isn't exempt from answering policy questions or releasing his tax returns just because he's Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)She's a Republican like my parents were Republicans-- pictures of Ike around the house and no BS.
"Here's the right thing to do, so just go and do it!"
My grandmother ran for Congress as a Republican, and one of her proudest moments was discovering that she had a stop on the Underground Railroad in her basement.
Republicans aren't the enemy-- they are the competition. Some Republicans, I admit, have made themselves the enemy of decency.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I believe some see it as a "do over" or perhaps some sort of "redemption" in an effort to assuage the resentment and to sweeten the sour grapes. All I see is someone who has the greatest contempt for the Democratic party and isn't hesitant to let the world know that he thinks that Democrats are "corrupt" and "feeble" and that the party is "ideologically bankrupt" and that Democrats are the "party of the one percent" or the "party of the elite". It's difficult for me to express how angry it makes me when I hear someone say things like "there's no difference between the parties".
Things like that only create distrust and suspicion. It divides the party and a divided party is a weakened party. And that benefits the GOP, and Trump, and Russia.
Someone in that campaign thinks they can just ride-it-out until it's too late.
Fact of the matter is, it's the equivalent of Pleading-the-Fifth. Not definite proof of wrongdoing, but absolutely suspicious. And... it's a great big "FUCK YOU" to the American people, to the Democratic party, and to the other candidates.
Why would someone who's always made "honesty" and "transparency" a cornerstone of their principles NOW (suddenly and without explanation) be so willing to sacrifice those principles? You can't pick-and-choose like that. People are beginning to say that it's hypocritical. Maybe I'm starting to agree with them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,345 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden