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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 01:45 PM Feb 2020

Why Does Mainstream Media Keep Attacking Bernie Sanders as He Wins?

Bernie Sanders keeps surprising cynical pundits in his second presidential run.
BY MARI UYEHARA

Poor Chuck Todd.

After a week of Todd using his MSNBC evening show Meet the Press Daily to assail the senator from Vermont, Bernie Sanders has won—clearly—in New Hampshire. It’s not if Todd hadn’t tried.

On Monday, Todd quoted conservative outlet the Bulwark, characterizing Sanders’s online following as “digital brown shirts,” essentially likening a Jewish politician’s supporters to Nazis. The Friday prior, Todd led a panel in hand-wringing over class warfare against billionaires. He has long had his crosshairs on Sanders. In May, he told the senator “the right will hammer and sickle you to death.” In 2015 after a shooting, he called Sanders, who has a D minus rating from the NRA, “pro-NRA.” And in December, he balked at the idea of refraining from the unjournalistic phrase “Bernie Bros,” asking, “What do we call them, Bernie siblings? Bernie people?” His guest suggested the obvious: “Bernie supporters.”

Of course, Todd is one among many in an anti-Bernie chorus. After the New Hampshire debate last week, his colleague Hardball host Chris Matthews went on a socialism rant, warning of “executions in Central Park” and exclaiming that “I might have been one of the ones getting executed”—perhaps revealing elite pundit anxiety that a growing consciousness about wealth inequality and its enforcers might turn on them. Matthews continued: “I don’t know who Bernie supports over these years, I don’t know what he means by socialism. One week it’s Denmark...Well, what does he think of Castro? That’s a great question.” On Morning Joe, James Carville, the old Clinton strategist, warned: “That’s it. If we go the way of the British Labour Party, if we nominate Jeremy Corbyn, it’s going to be the end of days.” Nevermind that Corbyn is deeply unpopular in the UK, with a net favorability rating of -40 percent according to YouGov polling, while Sanders is America’s most popular politician.

And all of that was just MSNBC.
After the New Hampshire results came in, political reporters and pundits put facts into linguistic pretzels, instead of just stating what the numbers did: That Sanders had won, taking the popular vote for two straight contests in a crowded field. Not all of it was pure ideological offense. New York Times politics reporter Jeremy Peters, tweeted: “Pete, after winning Iowa, is almost beating Bernie in a state Bernie won four years ago by 22 points. Under any normal standard of assessing the Democratic race, Pete would be called a frontrunner.” Likewise, Trip Gabriel also of the New York Times, also asserted an upside-down analysis tweeting, that the number one story of the night was Amy Klobuchar (who came in third) and the number two story of the night was Pete Buttigieg (who came in second) coming closer to Sanders than expected.


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Why Does Mainstream Media Keep Attacking Bernie Sanders as He Wins? (Original Post) Autumn Feb 2020 OP
Considering he's only won once..... brooklynite Feb 2020 #1
No one said Bernie should be immune from criticism. The article is a criticism of the media Autumn Feb 2020 #13
A clear win that was so close it resulted in a tie of delegates. Delegates is the win/lose krissey Feb 2020 #32
Not the story in the article I posted. He won the popular vote in two back to back states. Autumn Feb 2020 #37
Delegates define a win or loss or tie. krissey Feb 2020 #44
There is no "balanced" journalism on 24 hour news HopeAgain Feb 2020 #2
poor bernie the most persecuted person in the entire history of the human race, or even the entire msongs Feb 2020 #3
And here I thought that was Trump! PatSeg Feb 2020 #19
they are both too good for this country Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #28
Oh, I agree PatSeg Feb 2020 #53
Meh. Nah, that be the "establishment" dems. KPN Feb 2020 #31
Ah, the lie that Sanders won twice again. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #4
The article is about Bernie's win in NH and the medias coverage of him. Autumn Feb 2020 #15
Nah, it's a lie. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #18
Okay. Got it. I'll accept that if you accept this. KPN Feb 2020 #33
Are you saying the media is totally fair? You might want to Autumn Feb 2020 #34
The main stream media tiredtoo Feb 2020 #5
Walter Cronkite has left the building Donkees Feb 2020 #6
Maybe if Bernie were a Democrat there'd be more enthusiasm for him in the Democratic Primary... forgotmylogin Feb 2020 #7
Exactly this. we can do it Feb 2020 #10
That's a very good statement... Butterflylady Feb 2020 #79
Vermont Resolution sent to DNC Donkees Feb 2020 #11
Fair enough, but in a year with a plethora of great actual Democratic candidates... forgotmylogin Feb 2020 #17
Sanders is considered a Democrat for jury purposes here. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #20
Again, fair enough... forgotmylogin Feb 2020 #26
From the looks of things I think he has just as much, if not more enthusiasm than some of the Autumn Feb 2020 #23
Wel,l that's obviously true here, but so far in the primaries, there's quite a bit of KPN Feb 2020 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #70
Huh? What the hell does that even mean? KPN Feb 2020 #71
Sanders sure doesn't have a majority of supporters on DU. ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #72
Who said anything about majority? Why are KPN Feb 2020 #74
Sanders can't even get his most vocal "supporters" to commit to him. ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #75
No, I'm keeping an open mind about Warren. KPN Feb 2020 #81
My state does not have a "primary"... ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #73
"...enthusiasm for Sanders." ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #76
Cripes! All I heard was Bernie winning Iowa and New Hampshire. LiberalFighter Feb 2020 #8
What "wins"? we can do it Feb 2020 #9
He clearly won the popular vote in both states. Back to back in a crowded field. Autumn Feb 2020 #22
And Buttigieg won the delegates. Delegates count. Popular vote does not count. krissey Feb 2020 #30
So then why don't we have president Clinton, following that logic? we can do it Feb 2020 #46
The article isn't about delages or the EC. It's about media coverage of Bernie's wins in the first Autumn Feb 2020 #54
I didn't skip. Popular vote is irrelevant. we can do it Feb 2020 #59
Media coverage isn't irrelevant but thanks for the kick Autumn Feb 2020 #61
At this stage I think votes count more. dualboy24 Feb 2020 #82
So following your logic, where is president Clinton? we can do it Feb 2020 #83
Chuck Todd is irrelevant imo. But that doesn't mean I excuse him nor the rest of them at BeckyDem Feb 2020 #12
THIS. Warren and Sanders speak the truth. Until we as a nation recognize that, we'll continue KPN Feb 2020 #39
Yep. Its why we fight for no more money in politics. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #48
BS lost Iowa and has fewer delegates than Buttegeig. N/T lapucelle Feb 2020 #14
Bernie Sanders won the popular vote in both states. One clearly and the other with discrepancies Autumn Feb 2020 #16
BS came in second in Iowa and is behind Buttegeig in pledged delegates. lapucelle Feb 2020 #65
Again. Bernie Sanders won the popular vote in both states. Those are the facts from the article. Autumn Feb 2020 #66
It's the delegate count that wins a candidate the nomination, lapucelle Feb 2020 #67
That's what they do. They work for corporate interests and the wealthy. redqueen Feb 2020 #21
Who signed that act?! KPN Feb 2020 #40
Clinton. nt redqueen Feb 2020 #43
Telecom 1996. That was terrible, one of the worst ever. BeckyDem Feb 2020 #49
Yep. It's one of the reasons we are so divided, and one of the reasons we have Trump. redqueen Feb 2020 #50
Its tragic really. There are so many 24 hour news stations and what do they cover? BeckyDem Feb 2020 #52
After that comment there no doubt that Chuck Todd is an asshole. CentralMass Feb 2020 #24
I hear you. Rachel and Laurence are okay on MSNBC, Ari Melber, and a couple of others. But yeah -- KPN Feb 2020 #41
Why Does Bernie Sanders Keep Attacking the Mainstream Media as He Wins? denem Feb 2020 #25
Wins, plural? He won NH and lost the Iowa. His win gave same amount of delegates. krissey Feb 2020 #27
It helps to read the article. He won the popular in both. Nothing about delegates but YMMV. Autumn Feb 2020 #42
Delegates define win, loss, or tie. krissey Feb 2020 #45
Gee, why does the corporate owned media not like Bernie? n/t TDale313 Feb 2020 #29
Media coddled Sanders for five years. I do not know they have issue. But another bridge burned by krissey Feb 2020 #35
I think the media attacks Joe mainstreetonce Feb 2020 #38
Wins? Right now, he is second to Buttigieg in delegates. MineralMan Feb 2020 #47
Talk about the article. It's about winning the popular vote in the first two states, which he did Autumn Feb 2020 #57
How about if I talk about whatever I want? MineralMan Feb 2020 #58
Sure you can. But you don't get to tell me to wait till March to talk about what I want to Autumn Feb 2020 #60
Thanks. I'll do just that. MineralMan Feb 2020 #62
I always do as I please, no doubt about that. nt Autumn Feb 2020 #63
Then, you're just like me in that regard. MineralMan Feb 2020 #64
. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #51
Poor Bernie liberalmediaaddict Feb 2020 #55
I'm going out on a limb here but I think you didn't read the article? Autumn Feb 2020 #56
They need a close race; thus they always attack treestar Feb 2020 #68
not enough ratings in tearing him down like they can w/ biden(ukraine-FAKE). Pete they blew off. pansypoo53219 Feb 2020 #69
Attacking? RandySF Feb 2020 #77
Corporate media is very afraid of Bernie Farmer-Rick Feb 2020 #80
When doesn't the Dem in the apparent lead feel attacked by the media? pnwmom Feb 2020 #84
What the fuck is he winning? MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #85
 

brooklynite

(94,745 posts)
1. Considering he's only won once.....
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 01:49 PM
Feb 2020

...and why should he be immune from criticism simply because he's ahead (which he's not)?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
13. No one said Bernie should be immune from criticism. The article is a criticism of the media
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:12 PM
Feb 2020

and the way they reacted to him and his clear win in NH versus other candidates. You must have read a different article than I did.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
32. A clear win that was so close it resulted in a tie of delegates. Delegates is the win/lose
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:46 PM
Feb 2020

in this story. As I see it he has one loss and one tie. Why does media favor him so giving him two wins?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
37. Not the story in the article I posted. He won the popular vote in two back to back states.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:50 PM
Feb 2020

Not discussing delages. The story is the Toad and other media personalities pretzel twisting

But Bernie!!! Whataboutism.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
44. Delegates define a win or loss or tie.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:59 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
2. There is no "balanced" journalism on 24 hour news
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 01:52 PM
Feb 2020

Never was. I cut the cable and haven't watched anything except the debates on any of these channels and I'm pretty sure my I.Q is improving.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

msongs

(67,453 posts)
3. poor bernie the most persecuted person in the entire history of the human race, or even the entire
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 01:53 PM
Feb 2020

history of the planet, or even the universe before and after the big bang or the hand of god or whatever

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
19. And here I thought that was Trump!
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:28 PM
Feb 2020

Guess Bernie will take that mantle from Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
28. they are both too good for this country
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:41 PM
Feb 2020

and should remove themselves to their utopia...whereever the hell that exists (which I suspect is not on this planet)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,613 posts)
53. Oh, I agree
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:32 PM
Feb 2020

We could all chip in and buy them an island somewhere. They can complain to each other how unfair everyone was to them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KPN

(15,662 posts)
31. Meh. Nah, that be the "establishment" dems.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:43 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,485 posts)
4. Ah, the lie that Sanders won twice again.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 01:54 PM
Feb 2020

If one has to twist the facts to make a point, it's not a very good point.

I find it rather amusing that the author spends a lot of time complaining about pretzel logic, then tosses in a better example than any in the article.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
15. The article is about Bernie's win in NH and the medias coverage of him.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:19 PM
Feb 2020

It's not a lie as you claim. Bernie won the popular vote in two back to back contest in a crowded field.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,485 posts)
18. Nah, it's a lie.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:26 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders and his supporters know how the process works. They just conveniently forget how it works when it suits him.

The only thing that matters in the end is delegates. A candidate needs 1990 of them to win a majority, and bonus points aren't awarded for popular vote totals in caucus states or elsewhere.

Claiming a win based on popular vote knowing full well how the caucus process works is disingenuous and simply false.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KPN

(15,662 posts)
33. Okay. Got it. I'll accept that if you accept this.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:46 PM
Feb 2020

How about we be consistent. Let's be consistent then about the point that HRC really won in 2016. What's good for one is good for the other, no?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
34. Are you saying the media is totally fair? You might want to
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:46 PM
Feb 2020

read the article you are commenting on. Since it's not about winning delegates but media coverage of Bernie and how well he did in the two states.

But whataboutism.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
5. The main stream media
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 01:55 PM
Feb 2020

Are corporate entities. Corporatists fear Bernie. They may have to start paying their fair share of taxes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Donkees

(31,465 posts)
6. Walter Cronkite has left the building
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 01:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

forgotmylogin

(7,533 posts)
7. Maybe if Bernie were a Democrat there'd be more enthusiasm for him in the Democratic Primary...
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 01:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Butterflylady

(3,549 posts)
79. That's a very good statement...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:18 PM
Feb 2020


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Donkees

(31,465 posts)
11. Vermont Resolution sent to DNC
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:11 PM
Feb 2020

Vermont Resolution sent to DNC

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4793362-RESOLUTION.html

RESOLUTION
Whereas, the State of Vermont has no Party registration;

Whereas, the Vermont Democratic Party has been, and continues to be, committed
to a membership policy that is broadly inclusive of all who share and promote our
values of creating a more just and equitable society for all people;

Whereas, this policy has created a more vibrant, engaged, and successful Vermont
Democratic Party;

Whereas, we recognize that candidates who appear on the Vermont ballot as an
Independent may share the values outlined in our platform and are eligible for a
Party endorsement;

Whereas, efforts have been made at the national level to question the status of
elected officials who caucus with Democrats in Congress due to their Party
registration status;

Therefore, let it be resolved that the Vermont Democratic Party affirms that any
federal candidate who receives the endorsement of our State Committee and who
caucuses with the Democrats in the U.S. House or U.S. Senate shall be considered
a member of the Democratic Party for all purposes and entitled to all the rights
and privileges that come with such membership at the state and federal level;


Let it be further resolved that the State Committee directs the Party’s Executive
Director to send a copy of this resolution to the Democratic National Committee,
the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and the Democratic
Congressional Campaign Committee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

forgotmylogin

(7,533 posts)
17. Fair enough, but in a year with a plethora of great actual Democratic candidates...
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:22 PM
Feb 2020

I've actually juried more than once for posts on here for "Don't bash Democrats" when the message was about Bernie Sanders, who is not a Democrat.

My dad is in the electrician's union where members looking for work can go in every morning to get sent on freelance jobs. They allow electricians not in the union to also apply, but only after every registered union member seeking work has been sent out.

He related how one non-union guy showed up a lot and would frequently complain about being sent to the back of the line. The response always was "if you want full union privileges, then join the fucking union already."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,485 posts)
20. Sanders is considered a Democrat for jury purposes here.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:28 PM
Feb 2020

From the rule you noted:

"This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders)."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

forgotmylogin

(7,533 posts)
26. Again, fair enough...
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:38 PM
Feb 2020

But if you enter a pie in a cake-baking contest that allows you to do so, doesn't it make sense that the cake-bakers might get a little mad when pie-supporters continuously complain when there is a reluctance to award the pie some kind of prize for "Best Cake"?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
23. From the looks of things I think he has just as much, if not more enthusiasm than some of the
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:33 PM
Feb 2020

honest to gosh real Democrats have. Bernie won the popular vote in both states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

KPN

(15,662 posts)
36. Wel,l that's obviously true here, but so far in the primaries, there's quite a bit of
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:48 PM
Feb 2020

enthusiasm for Sanders. He won the popular vote in both primaries to date and leads in most polls. I'd say that's enthusiasm.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to KPN (Reply #36)

 

KPN

(15,662 posts)
71. Huh? What the hell does that even mean?
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 12:19 PM
Feb 2020

Too good to choose? And this from Undecided? “Pathetic”?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
72. Sanders sure doesn't have a majority of supporters on DU.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:53 PM
Feb 2020

Seems all his supporters like to stay "undecided."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KPN

(15,662 posts)
74. Who said anything about majority? Why are
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:57 PM
Feb 2020

you undecided? I suspect for similar reasons as everyone else. So what’s your beef?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
75. Sanders can't even get his most vocal "supporters" to commit to him.
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 04:59 PM
Feb 2020

Will you commit to voting for Sanders?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KPN

(15,662 posts)
81. No, I'm keeping an open mind about Warren.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 03:14 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
78. My state does not have a "primary"...
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:07 PM
Feb 2020

So the "undecided" is the only truthful option there is. Maybe 2024 we will go to a primary system, but not for 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to KPN (Reply #71)

 

ahoysrcsm

(787 posts)
76. "...enthusiasm for Sanders."
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:00 PM
Feb 2020

And yet DU support is stuck at 11%. So many "undecided" Sanders supporters that are too good to choose him as their candidate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LiberalFighter

(51,104 posts)
8. Cripes! All I heard was Bernie winning Iowa and New Hampshire.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 01:58 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

we can do it

(12,197 posts)
9. What "wins"?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:05 PM
Feb 2020

Squeaked by Buttigieg, but they got same amount of delegates.🤷🏼?♀️

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
22. He clearly won the popular vote in both states. Back to back in a crowded field.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:29 PM
Feb 2020

The media... Bernie wins the popular vote. "When will Bernie drop out and look how well the candidate who are in 3rd and 4th place did." That's the media and that's the story from the article.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
30. And Buttigieg won the delegates. Delegates count. Popular vote does not count.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:43 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

we can do it

(12,197 posts)
46. So then why don't we have president Clinton, following that logic?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:15 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
54. The article isn't about delages or the EC. It's about media coverage of Bernie's wins in the first
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:35 PM
Feb 2020

two wins. from my post that you skipped over.

The media... Bernie wins the popular vote. "When will Bernie drop out and look how well the candidate who are in 3rd and 4th place did." That's the media and that's the story from the article
.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

we can do it

(12,197 posts)
59. I didn't skip. Popular vote is irrelevant.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:07 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
61. Media coverage isn't irrelevant but thanks for the kick
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:13 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

dualboy24

(41 posts)
82. At this stage I think votes count more.
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 04:05 AM
Feb 2020

Telling someone "Well Bernie got the most votes, but Pete got more delegates because of some strange voting system."

Whst take away does the average person take from that?

Even the late night talk shows were joking about how dumb the caucus system is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

we can do it

(12,197 posts)
83. So following your logic, where is president Clinton?
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 07:31 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
12. Chuck Todd is irrelevant imo. But that doesn't mean I excuse him nor the rest of them at
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:11 PM
Feb 2020

MSNBC. Most tv news anchors are awful, they do not examine the real time issue in the manner they should as far as I am concerned.

Obviously, I support Warren, but this is what is relevant about the fear corporate people have of each of them. When Bill Gates, the alleged "good" billionaire was asked if he would support Warren over Trump should she win the nomination, he would not answer.

So don't anyone bother to explain to me why Bernie gets so much heat, its obvious that these corporate people like their power and do not intend to concede it if they don't have to.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KPN

(15,662 posts)
39. THIS. Warren and Sanders speak the truth. Until we as a nation recognize that, we'll continue
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:51 PM
Feb 2020

to see populism roiling the campaigns/elections and risk future autocrats in the WH.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
48. Yep. Its why we fight for no more money in politics.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:21 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapucelle

(18,351 posts)
14. BS lost Iowa and has fewer delegates than Buttegeig. N/T
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:15 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
16. Bernie Sanders won the popular vote in both states. One clearly and the other with discrepancies
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:20 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,351 posts)
65. BS came in second in Iowa and is behind Buttegeig in pledged delegates.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:17 PM
Feb 2020

No amount of spin is going to change those two facts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
66. Again. Bernie Sanders won the popular vote in both states. Those are the facts from the article.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:22 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lapucelle

(18,351 posts)
67. It's the delegate count that wins a candidate the nomination,
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 06:20 PM
Feb 2020

and Pete is in the lead. The popular vote narrative might momentarily assuage the sting of being in second place, but everyone knows it’s meaningless spin in the race for the nomination which is determined by delegates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
21. That's what they do. They work for corporate interests and the wealthy.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:29 PM
Feb 2020

They always have to some extent but after the Telecom Act of 1996, media consolidation increased to a frightening extent. The entities behind the media outlets have a vested interest in protecting wealth and power.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

KPN

(15,662 posts)
40. Who signed that act?!
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:52 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
49. Telecom 1996. That was terrible, one of the worst ever.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:24 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
50. Yep. It's one of the reasons we are so divided, and one of the reasons we have Trump.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:26 PM
Feb 2020

It's also one of the reasons cell service is so shitty.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
52. Its tragic really. There are so many 24 hour news stations and what do they cover?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:30 PM
Feb 2020

It is pitiful because they could be informing the public, as in Iraq lies, as in Koch money polluting the planet. They spend a lot of time on LOOK what so and so said to so and so!

It scares me sometimes, and I will never forget how they had a live camera waiting on no one was there podium for Trump in 2016. That tick tock of money to waste was a good gamble in their mind.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
24. After that comment there no doubt that Chuck Todd is an asshole.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:33 PM
Feb 2020

During the the 2008 primary I blocked Fux Gnus on my cable box. During that same period after Tweety's attacks on Hillary i stopped watching him. In 2015 I dropped cable. I do have a good digital attenna and acces to CNN through streaming. I do occasionally tune in to CNN to watch the evening shows. Cuomo and Lemon
shows are ok. I haven't watched MSNBC five years since I cut the cord.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

KPN

(15,662 posts)
41. I hear you. Rachel and Laurence are okay on MSNBC, Ari Melber, and a couple of others. But yeah --
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:55 PM
Feb 2020

Tweety and Todd are corporate neoliberal shills.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

denem

(11,045 posts)
25. Why Does Bernie Sanders Keep Attacking the Mainstream Media as He Wins?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:35 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
27. Wins, plural? He won NH and lost the Iowa. His win gave same amount of delegates.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:41 PM
Feb 2020

How come Sanders keeps claiming a two state win?

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
42. It helps to read the article. He won the popular in both. Nothing about delegates but YMMV.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:56 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
45. Delegates define win, loss, or tie.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:00 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
29. Gee, why does the corporate owned media not like Bernie? n/t
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:41 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

krissey

(1,205 posts)
35. Media coddled Sanders for five years. I do not know they have issue. But another bridge burned by
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:48 PM
Feb 2020

Sanders by accusing them of picking on him for the last 6 months. They have been hearing they are the enemy for four years from Trump. I imagine they are pretty damn tired of people saying they are cheating, being unfair, picking on....

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
38. I think the media attacks Joe
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 02:51 PM
Feb 2020

They want a fight.It is good for ratings.Now they are attacking Bloomberg..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
47. Wins? Right now, he is second to Buttigieg in delegates.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:18 PM
Feb 2020

How is that winning?

Let's talk on March 4.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
57. Talk about the article. It's about winning the popular vote in the first two states, which he did
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:03 PM
Feb 2020

and the media reaction. We don't have to wait till March for that. YMMOV

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
58. How about if I talk about whatever I want?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:05 PM
Feb 2020

How would that be?

For me, the only count that matters is the delegate count. That is always the case. It is what will determine who the nominee is, in the end.

So, I post as I see fit.

Time will tell the story, won't it?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
60. Sure you can. But you don't get to tell me to wait till March to talk about what I want to
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:10 PM
Feb 2020

post and talk about. I also am free to post as I see fit. Don't like it? See my name and scroll on by.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
62. Thanks. I'll do just that.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:15 PM
Feb 2020

Post as I please, I mean. You'll do the same, I'm sure.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
63. I always do as I please, no doubt about that. nt
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:16 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
64. Then, you're just like me in that regard.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 04:17 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

liberalmediaaddict

(769 posts)
55. Poor Bernie
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:55 PM
Feb 2020

So the mainstream media, DNC, Democratic establishment, social media and Biden/Buttigieg/Klobuchar/Warren supporters are all against him. He either gets too little media attention or too much. Most Democrats I know have promised to vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination. Including Bernie. Most Bernie supporters say it's "Bernie or Bust."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
56. I'm going out on a limb here but I think you didn't read the article?
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 03:58 PM
Feb 2020
The article is about none of your points in your post but I can say, I don't know one Bernie supporter who says it's "Bernie or Bust." Thanks for the kick.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
68. They need a close race; thus they always attack
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 07:13 PM
Feb 2020

whoever "wins."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pansypoo53219

(20,997 posts)
69. not enough ratings in tearing him down like they can w/ biden(ukraine-FAKE). Pete they blew off.
Fri Feb 14, 2020, 08:28 PM
Feb 2020

but lying in wait to see how they can destroy who is the nominee. just like how they coddled GWbushit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

RandySF

(59,276 posts)
77. Attacking?
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:01 PM
Feb 2020

You’re joking, right? I don’t they’ll touch him unless he’s nominated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Farmer-Rick

(10,212 posts)
80. Corporate media is very afraid of Bernie
Sat Feb 15, 2020, 05:18 PM
Feb 2020

Because the filthy rich sit on the boards of directors of media conglomerates and they don't want to have to pay their fair share in taxes.

They trash Bernie or anyone who dare to point out how the filthy rich have rigged our country.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,996 posts)
84. When doesn't the Dem in the apparent lead feel attacked by the media?
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 08:10 AM
Feb 2020

It's not like Hillary had an easy time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
85. What the fuck is he winning?
Sun Feb 16, 2020, 08:42 AM
Feb 2020

Let alone continuing to win?

Quit the fucking whining already and do something that makes people want to vote for you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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