Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumTalking tonight with a fellow Dem tonight and we agree (ruefully) that Bloomberg might just
be the only candidate that can really get up Trump's ass and beat him in the election. And Amy K. is our best bet as the running mate cause she'd mop up the midwest with Trump's hairball.
So we pondered that and, since neither of us drink any more, we decided we were OK with it, weird as it sounds, and mourned that we couldn't have the politics we wanted, so we're dealing with the politics we have handed to us.
It's a helluva thing...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mzmolly
(51,003 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nikki28
(557 posts)me four,five 100 will take that ticket in a heartbeat and be happy and excited casting my vote.Even if it is him and Liz,Pete would work for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)And lots of others might too!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)I heard some at the meeting tonight saying that if Biden faltered they would go for Bloombert...AA people among this group.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)It's the best I can think of right now. A little bit of emerging wisdom of the crowd.
White powerful male atop the ticket you simply have greater opportunity at more voters. Fewer dismiss you automatically. More will give you benefit of a doubt even if they couldn't describe why.
Amy's personality should fare well with some of those nasty suburban women who found asinine excuse to dislike Hillary.
Plus obviously the strength in vital midwestern states, which could easily be decided by roughly the tiny percentage that a VP nominee provides.
Also, I keep reading the crappiola that Bloomberg's money is a tipping point no matter who we nominate. That is sheer ignorance. Bloomberg's money is critical if Bloomberg is the nominee. Otherwise the theme falls into the same nonsensical category as all the claims that Trump will resign or Trump won't be the nominee. They sound good only at first overreactive glance. Then step back a few feet. Wait a minute...this guy is an incumbent with 95+% of his party backing him. Why would he resign? Wait a minute...elections are decided on preference. If the nation doesn't prefer our nominee, why would they give a flip about all those Bloomberg-financed commercials?
They won't. I hope I don't keep seeing that topic.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
relayerbob
(6,551 posts)I could support that ticket also
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)Yes.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
krissey
(1,205 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laelth
(32,017 posts)That said, I think that Michael Bloomberg might be the one that actually does it.
-Laelth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)Cuz I have no idea who I'll be voting for!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)lot of upheaval of how people get involved in this process in the first place.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)But it does bug me he has gotten where he is by the way he has. If the can beat Trump then the end justifies the means. Sigh.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)However the nominee will get my vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)longingly at liquor stores when I pass them while driving.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
magicarpet
(14,160 posts)I used to crave coffee at breakfast. Now I just drink bourbon - skip the coffee.
Not really,.. but I might start doing that next week.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LoveMyCali
(2,015 posts)is good in the coffee. This administration has taught me that!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Captain Zero
(6,823 posts)but tonight I stepped out on the patio with the dog and wished I had a cigarette.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sprinkleeninow
(20,254 posts)🚭 No fumar por favor. 🤠
I stopped over 10 years ago. They did me in.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)BOOM.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brokephibroke
(1,883 posts)Trump and Pence would get destroyed on the debate stage. That is if they wouldnt chicken out...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)He's not that different from Trump on some of the issues. We have to draw the line somewhere.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Rich people have run and won before, just look at JFK. But it's a different kind of rich people...it's ones who want to serve in the first place. Mike was not so inclined, but in a way seems like the kind of person who would run, after he earned the money through his own hard work.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,473 posts)He's not on my list of favorites (yet), but I think people take the fact that he was a Republican for a while and just assume he's a conservative. His overall record really says otherwise.
When Trump starts supporting choice, gun laws, raising taxes on the wealthy, expanding the ACA, protecting the environment, and donates $6 billion to charity, then maybe the comparison might have some validity.
https://www.ontheissues.org/mike_bloomberg.htm
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunSeeker
(51,659 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,869 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)is gaining support in Nashville. He will torment Trump. The others will gave to beg for money and start 200 million behind.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sprinkleeninow
(20,254 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wnylib
(21,572 posts)trump. The R's are drawing attention to his stop and frisk policy as mayor and comments like saying he put police in black neighborhoods because that's where the crimes were. Can he win enough votes to counter his past actions and words as mayor?
I welcome his money and ads to defeat Trump. But how would he, as the nominee, handle his past?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)Stop and Frisk is known...and Trump is way worse on this issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wnylib
(21,572 posts)means that Bloomberg would have that hurdle to becoming the Dem nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,643 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wnylib
(21,572 posts)the DEM primaries where we choose our nominee. Therefore, if Dem primary voters react negatively to Bloomberg's past comments, they might choose not to vote for him to be our nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)that the best thing Bloomberg can do is spending his money running the Republican Senators into the ground non stop for the time between now and the election. It would only cost him five billion of his 60 billion. Not a big sacrifice......
WITHOUT THE REPUBLICAN SENATE, TRUMP IS VAPORIZED IN AN INSTANT...................
What is it with all these Billionaires? Warren Buffet saying he pays less taxes than his housekeeper and that we should tax the rich more, not less. I don't see him just sending in a few billion to the feds every year...... I'm sure they would gladly accept it.......
HOW MANY F***ING BILLIONS CAN A PERSON NEED????????? They earn MORE IN PROFITS from their investments every year than they can possibly spend............
A friend who works for a billionaire challenged that thinking and I got out a calculator, estimated the earnings every year from investing the number of BILLIONS he was worth. I took that yearly profit figure and divided it by 365 to show her how much he earned A DAY, and then broke that down by 24 hours and showed her how much he could spend AN HOUR. And pointed out that his capital was no lesser and that he hadn't invaded his capital at all.....
She was speechless. As she should have been. And gone to work the next day and asked for a raise..........
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)That the Republicans will lose this election, by hook or by crook and all the hairs on Putin's chinny chin chin...............
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
underpants
(182,868 posts)We have to get turnout.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)some baggage in the form of financial issues? Rethuglicans will go for the jugular no matter who is on the ticket, I'm just trying to start with as clean a slate as possible.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,485 posts)Last edited Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:20 AM - Edit history (2)
Our pernicious double standard on politicians who owe money.https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/opinion/columnists/stacey-abrams-georgia-governor-debt.html
Stacey Abrams: Dont Be Ashamed of Your Debt
https://fortune.com/2019/04/11/stacey-abrams-debt/
Stacey Abrams Says Debt Should Not Be A Disqualifier For Ambition
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stacey-abrams-says-debt-should-not-be-a-disqualifier-for-ambition_n_5caf589be4b09a1eabf8e408
Stacey Abrams on Dealing With Debt and Shame
https://www.thecut.com/2019/04/the-cut-on-tuesdays-stacey-abrams-on-dealing-with-debt.html
after those
Stacey Abrams settles her IRS debt
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/444112-stacey-abrams-settles-her-irs-debt
Former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams (D) has reportedly settled her tax debt with the Internal Revenue Service as she eyes a possible bid for the presidency. A spokesperson for Abrams told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution Thursday that Abrams settled the approximately $54,000 she owed the federal agency as well as separate credit card and student loan debt.
"Leader Abrams has been able to resolve her debt, the spokesperson, Seth Bringman, said, She will continue to speak openly about the challenges she faced challenges that are all too common for Americans and their families."
Abrams had reported the debt during her campaign last year against then Georgia gubernatorial candidate, Brian Kemp (R). She revealed her debt to the IRS, in addition to roughly $170,000 in credit card and student loan debt, in financial documents in March. Abrams said she deferred tax payments in 2015 and 2016 to help pay for her family's medical bills, noting she was on a payment plan to resolve what she owed.
As a candidate for Georgia's highest office, Abrams spoke openly about her financial struggles to connect with voters, the paper noted. Republicans, meanwhile, targeted her debt in an attempt to discredit her ability to manage the state's budget.
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edited to add
This is in DEFENCE of Abrams, it is a rebuttal to the poster I replied to, as they raised it as a red flag. I think she is close to the strongest VP our candidate could choose.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
underpants
(182,868 posts)Go ahead and go with her debt as an issue. That makes her a bigger pull/draw.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,485 posts)They were the one who raised it as a red flag, not me.
I have been saying for well over a year that Abrams would be close to the strongest VP for our candidate. She really puts the South into play and will energise A-A turnout. She is a super dynamic speaker, one of the best we have.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
underpants
(182,868 posts)Kamala brings ...look I'll be blunt... she plays really well on TV. But I think California is safe in the GE.
Abrams is the best overall. Sharp dynamic and yes she brings a lot of voters out in the south AND a lot of volunteers. I looked her up once, she's a Delta but even with that if we could martial even a small portion of the AKA/sororities energy... look out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)it'll help to have as much info as possible to fight off right-wing attacks, cuz you know they're coming.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
texasfiddler
(1,990 posts)I want to see Bloomberg in a debate
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)I can too. We MUST do this. Oh...and Amy McGrath...she really needs to win KY. Fuck Moscow Mitch.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I laughed, but it has a pragmatic feel to it. And winning is so critical this fall.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
angrychair
(8,732 posts)He wants to force Marijuana to be illegal in every state again.
This BS drug war nonsense is a non-starter with me.
If that is the nominee I will obviously vote for MB but definitely not my preference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zambero
(8,965 posts)Both highly intelligent, articulate, with a wealth of experience, and capable of dealing with the sub-gutter campaign tactics that Trump will conjure up. I'm standing by Joe, but we have a very deep bench and these two could get the job done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ashredux
(2,608 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vlyons
(10,252 posts)Indeed the vulgarian in the WH IS a lot worse.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)since I first started voting, rarely has there ever been a time when I wasn't stuck voting for what I felt was the lesser of two evils........
WASF
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)he became the nominee. But he is just above Tulsi Gabbard on my list.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skittles
(153,179 posts)yup
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skittles
(153,179 posts)but......I'll take anything over Trump - seriously, ANYONE
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)that we love. Hopefully just dream team who can win?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,575 posts)You can bet if hes the nominee, all of the dirt will come out. Trump, with Russian assistance wont let that opportunity pass. Women made the difference in the midterms and will make the difference in this election, too. Lets not write off Warren just yet. Shes the only candidate whos come out against the pervasive corruption that is strangling our government and our economy. Iowa and New Hampshire arent exactly representative of our larger population, either. Theres much more to come. Granted, were all beyond exhausted from the endless s**t show thats in the WH but this is the time to dig in and fight harder. Theres too much to lose if we dont.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ForEverGlades
(64 posts)Am guessing most here haven't heard the audio of Bloomberg condescendingly espousing the wonders of racial profiling?
And yes, in minority communities Bloomie says he wanted police "throwing them up against a wall" to conduct said frisks. It's "them", see?
Completely unnecessary even if you support Stop And Frisk in the first place.
Wow.
Oh and how about this gem: "All the police are deployed in minority communities because that's where all the crime is."
What a load of complete crap.
And from a candidate with a D by their name who will need upwards of 90% of the votes in the black community to win?
Please.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pattyloutwo
(279 posts)Its messy, but we got this. Stay in the fight. There will be a large turnout; people showed up in the midterms. Women, stay strong!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jr1118x
(97 posts)Yeah the racial issue is bad, after almost 4 years of complaining about Trump and Republicans being racist are we seriously considering the face of the party someone who is a proponent of racial profiling? Yeah lets elect a racist billionaire, that's never been tried before. What could go wrong.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
scipan
(2,355 posts)The idea of Michael Bloomberg becoming the Democratic presidential nominee should be too absurd to even consider seriously. For one thing, he is a conservative who openly believes that the poor should be ruled over by the super-rich and is trying to buy the nomination outright. He has a history of saying monstrously offensive things about women and transgender people, and oversaw an infamous racist police regime that terrorized Black and Hispanic New Yorkers. If he did somehow manage to spend his way to the nomination, bypassing the democratic process, it would be such an outrageand so demoralizing to the Democratic basethat it would guarantee Trumps reelection. If the choice were between two sexist billionaires who hate the poor, how many young people would drag themselves to the polls to support our sides billionaire? It would permanently disillusion an entire generation and vindicate every cynical theory of politics as a domain where money rules absolutely
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ForEverGlades
(64 posts)Nominating Bloomie would absolutely destroy the party--except as a funnel for corporate/wall street cash.
Getting the vote out in minority communities?
Who wants to get out and vote for someone who has declared your family members public enemies who need to be harassed and "thrown up against the wall" to be unconstitutionally searched just for being themselves?
Forget it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
secondwind
(16,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The first sentence of your second paragraph I find puzzling.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Its too bad Bloomberg isnt on the ballots in SC and NV. I want to see how well he performs in a real voting situation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)I don't think the country's ready for two New Yorkers in a poorly moderated debate setting.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided