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Related: About this forumAmy Klobuchar "troubled" by having democratic socialist Sanders atop ticket
Democratic presidential hopeful Amy Klobuchar says she's "troubled" by the thought that a democratic socialist, Bernie Sanders, could be at the top of the Democratic Party ticket in November and instead believes the key to unseating President Trump is an unifying candidate who has a proven track record.
In an interview with CBS News' Ed O'Keefe aboard her campaign bus following an event in Keene, New Hampshire, Klobuchar was pressed about being the lone candidate on stage at Friday's Democratic primary debate to raise her hand when moderator George Stephanopoulos asked whether anyone was worried about having a democratic socialist for a presidential nominee.
"The question should be why didn't everyone else raise their hand?" the Minnesota senator said. "But they didn't, because people are looking at each other, and it may not be popular, and you're going to anger some people, but I believe in leading and doing what you think is right, and that's why I raised my hand, because I am troubled by having a socialist lead our ticket."
The question struck at the heart of tensions within the Democratic party and concerns about whether Senator Bernie Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist and 2020 front-runner, can defeat Mr. Trump in November.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amy-klobuchar-bernie-sanders-troubled-democratic-socialist-democratic-ticket/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Go Amy!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)"Normal" is what brought us President Trump. No thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,737 posts)He has repeatedly said there is no going back to "normal" since that's what got us into this mess in the first place.
He wants to change the channel, or turn the page.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,587 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
at140
(6,110 posts)That is where he reigned as mayor. That is his main political experience.
Take average family income for example, which is a good yardstick of how well families are doing to provide for their family members. Compare average family income in South Bend versus entire country.
Another thing to look at is how the blacks in South Bend rate the mayor.
Blacks are important democratic voter constituency.
Above information is available on many search web sites.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jr1118x
(97 posts)After the police chief and fire chief incidents, no thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,499 posts)It was unprecedented in pretty much every way, from the GOP primaries onward. The assertion that it represents some kind of norm is laughable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Celerity
(43,587 posts)the most vocal about saying we cannot go back to the old normal. Biden himself has tried to have a go at him over this very thing, by trying to twist up that concept into some imaginary attack on Obama.
smdh
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)I'm talking about taking Wall St. money vs. voter contributions. Pete is hip deep in billionaire money, and the last 30 years or so indicates that the billionaires get the lion's share of the consideration from the politicians they finance. That's the "normal" I have no interest in getting back to. "You gotta dance with who brung ya."
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,587 posts)you said
Buttiegieg, out of 10's of millions of dollars raised, has taken a total 112,000 USD directly from billionaires
you said
these numbers go back to Q3 2019 and before
do the maths, Bernie had 18m in Q2, 25m Q3 (43m), Pete had 25m and 19m (44m)
Warren had 19m and 25m (44m)
BUT 10m USD of that was for a transfer of pre-existing funds and counting all that, only 48% of her total monies before Q3 was from small donors. 10m of Sanders totals has come from transfers of preexisting funds, and when the transfers are added in, even he has only 60% of his total monies from small donors.
Pete was not running in Q1, he officially launched April 14, 2019.
In Q2, when he raised around 25m USD, his average donation was only 84 USD per person, from almost 300,000 individuals, and that was in just his first full quarter of running. His average contribution was 33 USD in Q3.
Big Donors, Small Donors: Pete Buttigieg Has Courted Them All Successfully
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/01/us/politics/pete-buttigieg-fundraising.html
he already had over 400,000 individual donors just from Q2 and before:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-buttigieg-raises-over-24-million-in-second-quarter-of-fundraising/
he uses a well balanced fundraising approach, it is ludicrous to say he only courts or receives money from rich donors
Again
The ultimate irony is counting Warren's 10m in account transfers, only 48% of her total monies before Q3 were from small donors. 49% of Buttigieg's monies have come from small donors. 10m of Sanders' totals has come from transfers of preexisting funds, and when the transfers are added in, even he had only 60% of his total monies from small donors prior to Q3. Prior to Q3, Buttigieg had over 400,000 individual donors, and had well over half a million (580,000) individual donors by Q3. His average Q3 donation was 33 USD (per MSNBC today). For comparison, Sanders had an average donor contribution of 27 USD in Q3 (again per MSNBC today.) But hey!, lets all buy into a far left, TYT, JD, etc.-pushed shit-stir tweet using a chop-quote, that Pete is basically only fundraising from the rich, and shits on small donors, lolol.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/Pete-Buttigieg-fundraising.html
finally
some newer numbers, for Q4
Since entering the race in April, the Democratic presidential contender has hauled in $76 million, the email said, with 733,000 individual donors making up that sum.
Buttigieg received his largest donor share in the fourth quarter alone, with 326,000 people contributing to the campaign.
He is tracking to have over 1.3 to 1.5 million individual donors by the time the primaries end, yet you and the Berner social media attack dogs try to slag him off over 40 people, who gave a combined $112K out of well over 100 million USD
pathetic
When is Bernie going to disclose his dark money donors to his Our Revolution scheme???
Shadow group provides Sanders super PAC support he scorns
https://apnews.com/345bbd1af529cfb1e41305fa3ab1e604
WASHINGTON (AP) Bernie Sanders says he doesnt want a super PAC. Instead, he has Our Revolution, a nonprofit political organization he founded that functions much the same as one.
Like a super PAC, which is shorthand for super political action committee, Our Revolution can raise unlimited sums from wealthy patrons that dwarf the limits faced by candidates and conventional PACs. Unlike a super PAC, however, the group doesnt have to disclose its donors a stream of revenue commonly referred to as dark money.
Now, with less than one month to go before the Iowa caucuses, Our Revolution appears to be skirting campaign finance law, which forbids groups founded by federal candidates and officeholders from using large donations to finance federal election activity, including Sanders 2020 bid.
A debate over big money in politics has riven the Democratic primary with Sanders and fellow progressive, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, leading the attack on rivals including former Vice President Joe Biden and former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who have relied on big-dollar donors.
But while Warren has come under fire for courting wealthy financiers in her past Senate campaigns, Sanders and Our Revolution have largely avoided scrutiny during the primary, even as he has accelerated his criticism of others, among them Biden, for relying on super PACs founded by their allies.
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hypocrisy abounds
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radical noodle
(8,015 posts)It's sometimes tough to dig these out. It's very close to what I thought, but I had trouble finding the info to back me up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,587 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)That's not the candidate who will bring the party back to it's working class roots.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
radical noodle
(8,015 posts)Not even bernie.
Let's talk about Our Revolution:
Under the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, an entity directly or indirectly established by a federal candidate or officeholder is not allowed to solicit, receive, direct, transfer, or spend funds in connection with an election for Federal office unless the funds are subject to the limitations, prohibitions, and reporting requirements of federal law.
According to Our Revolutions tax returns showing contribution amounts but not contributor names, data compiled and first reported by the Associated Press, from 2016 to 2018 Our Revolution raised almost $1 million dollars from contributors who gave in excess of the applicable $5,000 contribution limit, including multiple contributions of between $100,000 and $300,000. Our Revolution has not disclosed any of its contributors to the FEC, as required by federal campaign finance law.
https://www.commoncause.org/press-release/common-cause-files-complaint-against-pro-bernie-sanders-group-our-revolution-for-violating-soft-money-ban/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)money that they considered to be a violation of the transparency that they believed Sanders stood for.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/25/fleeing-the-bern-half-of-staff-quit-sanders-legacy-project-before-it-begins
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)A large portion of which are working class.
So there's that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)According to Our Revolutions tax returns showing contribution amounts but not contributor names, data compiled and first reported by the Associated Press, from 2016 to 2018 Our Revolution raised almost $1 million dollars from contributors who gave in excess of the applicable $5,000 contribution limit, including multiple contributions of between $100,000 and $300,000. Our Revolution has not disclosed any of its contributors to the FEC, as required by federal campaign finance law.
So there's that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)Goddess help us then.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,403 posts)Not voter suppression, Russian hacking and interference, media misogyny and hatred of HRC, Comey, BS voters voting for Dotard, Stein voters.
Just "normal," right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Atticus
(15,124 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)would have won. Hillary had forward looking policies. Neither Amy, Joe, or Pete are living in the past. Biden, for one, knows considerably more than Bernie about the geo-political situation all over the world, today, and is much more concerned about it.
Pete, though I am not happy with his tenure as mayor or the roll-out of his plan, does have a vision for righting racial inequities in every area from health to business. He needs, however, AA communities and leaders input. Biden has numerous policies that are sound and invest a great deal of capital in infrastructure, education, health, and addressing climate change. Amy offers plans with a chance of getting done, again to effect positive change and she would also address our deficit which will affect the next generations as well as infrastructure.
True, many Dems would like a stable, powerful, uniting president like Obama again, to restore our alliances in the world, and to take up where we left off in justice reform issues, police department accountability, gun control, immigration reform, addressing violence against women, gay rights, building our economy, expanding healthcare, civil rights...
It is a mindless meme that no candidate but one wearing the progressive label wants progress, is for positive change on the domestic and international front.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)She should be arrested for such a travesty.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)ate their salad with a comb? Oh well. So many thing are so deeply troubling.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)unlike some who have a canned speech over and over again...for several years now. And I am trouble by those who had their kids on their payroll...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cerebrate2006
(32 posts)Amy is a brilliant Yale undergrad and U of Chicago law school graduate who is progressive on every issue and a consistently huge winner in the Midwest. She has no baggage or weaknesses and can trounce Trump in the General. What more can you ask for - a free lunch I guess - she doesnt offer any of those but Im OK with that
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Malmsy
(297 posts)Bernie is doing great.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)I want to win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,178 posts)OT but it seems to me Amy is the candidate most ignored by the press. If any of them has a real beef with the coverage it's Amy.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)After being ignored for months.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)the irony...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zeus69
(391 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,799 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)After all, this is a campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blaukraut
(5,695 posts)Listening to Amy, you'd think that the heartland is all that matters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
squirecam
(2,706 posts)Then thats the presidency.
California and the northeast will vote for a wet sock over Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,715 posts)really for the election the heartland is all that matters...now the issue I have with Sanders is not only will he not win in the mid west, he may lose states like Virginia, Delaware and the House. I think Warren with the proper VP and moving to the middle a bit might win...but I still believe Biden is the best candidate and I like Amy for VP...I like Amy period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,454 posts)up doing, is making that even more possible
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)When Bloomberg has to debate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,454 posts)will admit I am wrong about the debates
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dem4decades
(11,307 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)with being troubled. Many of us are. We will support Bernie but many of us think He will have difficult time in EC. No question He will he get more votes. I think we will cost us House seats too
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,454 posts)wrong, the Democratic Party will be associated with that label, and it will also impact the Congressional seats
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,974 posts)and vote for her if she gets the nomination.
I don't have a lot against her (other than I wish she were more to the left), but she dismisses a large portion of us that are on the left side of the party, I don't get what her game is. This isn't have you get people to want to vote for you that don't already agree with you. Oh, I'll vote for her if she is the nominee, but this kind of attitude is going to make a lot of people not happy having to vote for her.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
squirecam
(2,706 posts)She is telling you the truth rather than telling you what you want to hear.
She was the only one honest enough to raise her hand when asked the question.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
krissey
(1,205 posts)to be at the top of the ticket.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,899 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,428 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)But also ... he's surrounded by a bunch of assholes in his campaign and on his jock ... people like Turner and Jimmy Dore.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden