2020 Dems can't tell Bernie to lay down and die when it's his economic agenda they are hawking

[Uncle Joe]

(snip)

Yet, toward the end of his column Friedman does concede, albeit kind of nonchalantly, that today “most families are too weak to . . . pass along the American dream to their kids.”

(snip)

As a Feb. 20 report from the Economic Policy Institute documented in the years between 1979 and 2017 productivity spiked 70.3 percent, while worker pay went up just 11.1 percent.

EPI researchers make the historical point that in the 30 years after World War ll there was not this pronounced disparity between American worker productivity and their compensation. Is it just coincidental that this post-war period also saw a more broad-based prosperity with the expansion of the middle class and the growth of the American labor movement?

(snip)

The EPI “State of Working America Wages 2018” analysis also shows that as productivity grew six times the rate of worker compensation. EPI's post-Great Recession data showed “not only rising inequality in general, but also the persistence, and in some cases worsening, of wage gaps by gender and race" and that the growing divergence between productivity and compensation was “at the root of numerous American economic challenges."

(snip)


https://www.salon.com/2019/02/24/2020-dems-cant-tell-bernie-to-lay-down-and-die-when-its-his-economic-agenda-they-are-hawking/

This is a good read, it was difficult in choosing only four paragraphs.

[Trenzalore]

1. Are we already calling foul before the whistle is blown

I like and have liked some of Sanders ideas. I don't think he is the person with the qualities needed to implement them.

[comradebillyboy]

3. 'calling foul before the whistle is blown'...perfect description

[Trenzalore]

5. Hillary sat on a lot of opposition research on Sanders

By March it was pretty much mathematically impossible for him to win.

There are 16 people trying to make a name for themselves and I don't think he is going to have that situation this year with his current polling.

[comradebillyboy]

14. Let's hope he is properly vetted this time.

[ehrnst]

86. +1000.

[still_one]

35. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[CrossingTheRubicon]

2. From the website that brought us Ha Ha Goodman.

No bona fide Democrats are supporting "Democratic Socialism."

Sorry. This is absurd.

The BS economic agenda is NOT the agenda of the Democratic Party.

[comradebillyboy]

4. I certainly don't consider myself to be a Democratic Socialist and

I wouldn't vote for one in the primaries. And yes, Salon is utter trash. Huffpo is getting to trash status quite quickly as well.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

6. With you all all points.

[LiberalLovinLug]

32. OMG not Democratic Socialism!!! I suggest you pick another candidate then

Lord help the US of A if we actually consider implementing a more socialized, universal, cheaper, healthcare system like every other democracy in the world. How radical!

[comradebillyboy]

58. She has already stated she's not a Democratic Socialist.

Advocating for universal health care doesn't make one a socialist.

[LiberalLovinLug]

64. "universal healthcare" is by definintion socialist

It has to be some form of mandatory contribution in order for it to work. ie... all people pooling together to fund a system in the cheapest way for everyone. As well as an oversight government authority to make sure all citizens have equal access.

Face it, its just the language that Democrats are afraid to use. And I'm not entirely blaming them. Too much of America has been brainwashed against that word. But so many things are already socialized. Like the Armed Forces. Tell that to a Trump Humper and watch their head explode. As and example, say, if every small army base had to each take care of ordering and buying their own uniforms, the cost would be more over all across the forces, and even the minor design differences would be a problem. Where as if a particular uniform style is ordered for a whole regiment, for the whole country even, they can find a large manufacturer who can make more at once, and give the government a better deal. Same with planes, and tanks, and guns.

Same principle with a medicare system. It is just a word. I don't care if they use it or don't use it, as long as they embrace what it means.

Which is one reason why, even though I am undecided now, I am leaning towards Kamala Harris.

[SharonClark]

11. Don't forget Walter Bragman

Goodman and Bragman were pro-Sanders because they hated Hillary with a passion. They eventually showed their true colors and advocated for Trump, on Salon.

[Lazy Daisy]

16. no bona fide Democrat?

hmmm


Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Rashida Tlaib

[WeekiWater]

66. I think Goodman got banned from twitter.

Wonder who he is going to be bro’ing for this primary season.

[SharonClark]

7. It's a better opinion piece than the Salon headline suggests

because I've heard no Democratic candidates telling Sanders to "lay down and die".

[Agschmid]

8. He shouldn't "lay down and die" he should run in the primary and see what happens.

What a dramatic headline.

[Politicub]

10. When I read that headline, my first thought was

someone bring out the fainting couch and smelling salts! Sanders must have the vapors!

[Agschmid]

12. It's not Sanders, it's a narrative and we are all expected to fall for it.

The bigger question is who is pushing the narrative and why?

[Lazy Daisy]

17. look right here on DU

You'll see post after post of how he shouldn't even run and should just go away.

[workinclasszero]

22. No kidding right?

The next couple of weeks and months are going to be real interesting around here I bet.

[still_one]

36. Gee, I guess what is good for the goose isn't good for the gander, huh, because that is the same

thing some were saying about Hillary

convenient filtering there

[Lazy Daisy]

63. well

when someone posts an op that says Hillary is being told to go away even though the party is hawking her policy and another makes a reply as the one I responded to, my answer would be the same.

But that's not the op is it?

There's a whole lot of policy Bernie ran on in 2016 that has become very popular. I doubt most of these candidates would be doing so now if it weren't for that.

Here's what I know though. Bernie has been fighting for his policy platform long before 2016

[Uncle Joe]

67. I agree Lazy Daisy, "Bernie through the years."

Pretty much the same message for approximately 30 years.

[CentralMass]

79. Well said.

[Politicub]

9. His economic agenda is incomplete.

And it is not an original work that he created.

The reason why it is incomplete is because it ignores systemic injustices of the American system when it comes to POC, women, the LGBTQ community, etc. And by ignoring the real issues those groups deal with, it reduces the chance that we can build a winning coalition for 2020. The middle class that grew after WWII left many behind. This must be reckoned with every time Sanders paints a picture of magical prosperity that is devoid of social justice.

[pandr32]

27. I completely agree

[allgood33]

49. His economic agenda is not original. Democrats have pushed most of these things before Bernie

became a Democrat just to run and divide the party.

[Kentonio]

85. Oh please..

Bernie ran because this stuff wasn’t Democratic policy before he forced the dialogue that direction. Our platform and the issues being widely championed now have changed substantially since he came on the scene in ‘15.

[Demsrule86]

13. Is HA Goodman back at Salon? Democratic candidates can certainly discuss Democratic ideas that

Sen. Sanders agrees with...including but not limited to an economic agenda.

[msongs]

15. salon article says "lie down' which is gramatically correct nt

[WordsMatter]

18. That is a good read...

Senator Sanders championed these 'new' democratic ideals by starting his first presidential campaign. And now most Dem candidates are singing Sanders's tune.

From cited article:

After all, does't everybody whose anybody in the Democratic Party already support a $15 an hour wage, Medicare-for-all and the Green New Deal? "Thanks old man, we’ve finally got the winning message and we now have our pick of more marketable messengers with better optics.

I would think the person who truly believes in something and is willing to stick their neck out for it is truly inspiring.

And then there is the younger people:From cited article:

It is not a coincidence that Bernie Sander’s radical message resonated most with young people for whom the American experience has been defined by Sept. 11 and the Great Recession, its dismal aftermath and now the national tragedy of Donald Trump.

There is a poetic irony that it would take a 77-year old man, who has lived a long life, to give voice to the aspirations of young people yearning to re-shape a world so they can start their own.

We were all young at one time - your ability to succeed in life and the livelihood and success of your country is enhanced when parents can afford to bring up their children properly and that takes money.

The younger people are extremely concerned about what lies ahead in their future. They correctly believe that progressive solutions coming from Sanders and Warren and other progressives is what America needs.

And, those same policies and positions that the younger people want - also benefit ALL people in America. Imagine that...

[Adrahil]

19. 'Cause it's all about Bernie, all the time.

Bernie didn't actually invent ANY of his ideas.

[LiberalLovinLug]

47. "Its all about Bernie, all the time"

This is such a disengenuous comment. Implying Sanders, and only Sanders, whole reason for running or even simply working on his job, sponsoring bills etc...means he is a megalomaniac attention seeker.

If you say that about Sanders, then it also applies to every other politician or civil rights leader throughout history. I mean, MLK should have just sat back and not been so arrogant and bold to think of himself as some kind of spokesperson for Black America right?
Ghandi should have also put himself out there, look at how popular he became from all that! Both of these men had movies made of their lives! What a pay off!

By your logic, even Kamala Harris should have just quietly gone about her business as a Senator, but no, its "all about" Harris. She actually believes, as Sanders does, that she has something to offer to the American people as a leader and through the policies she stands for. Shocking! What an attention seeker.

[Adrahil]

48. Lol... whatevs

Kamala Harris didn’t say other candidates were running on their race and gender. Bernie did.

Bernie is the kind of guy who in front of the band and claims to be leading the parade.

His selection of Turner as a co-chair shows disdain for Democrats and the Democratic party.

[LiberalLovinLug]

55. Sure whatevs

Of course Sanders only said one shouldn't base your vote on any of those alone. One shouldn't vote for Sanders just because he's white, or a man either. That it should be about what issues they will fight for. Do you disagree?

Well lets see, Bernie HAS been in front of the band on a lot of issues, some I outlined in my previous. post. Its so funny to see now that those issues are deemed more legit, he's gone from a fool with no clothes leading a parade of issues that "aren't going to happen" rainbows and unicorns etc....to, in hindsight, being some kind of megalomaniac who must have run in front of the parade when you weren't looking. lol

So he hires a former Democratic Senator, a black woman to co-chair his campaign, as well as Carmen Yulín Cruz, mayor of San Juan, Puerto Rico. On his own personal campaign. And you have a problem with that? Oh thats right, Turner actually agrees that the Democratic party could actually make improvements to get more out to vote, to, you know, win elections. But whatevs.

[Thekaspervote]

69. +1000

[George II]

20. No it's not. That "agenda" has existed long before Sanders ever came up with it.

[Amimnoch]

21. This one can. Wish he would. Nt.

[workinclasszero]

23. Great article!

Any dem that's got a shot is running on Bernie's ideas from 2016.

I prefer the OG because I know he actually believes in what hes fighting for.

[murielm99]

24. This is the DEMOCRATIC agenda,

not the Bernie agenda.

He needs to stop appropriating other people's ideas.

[mwooldri]

34. In 2016 the Democratic Party agenda didn't look like Bernie's.

In 2020 the Democratic party agenda does look more like Bernie's agenda.

[LiberalLovinLug]

37. Hillarious watching the anti-Bernie crowd scramble to embrace his platform

All the while claiming it has nothing to do with him or how he was ahead of most of the progressive issues for years.

For instance many of the establishment Democrats voted along with R's in the Defense of Marriage Act, even Hillary Clinton. Bernie did not. Same goes with her "never going to happen" in response to single payer health care.

He's also been ahead of pot legalization. Minimum wage increase.

Its not saying he INVENTED these stands. But he's been fighting for a lot of issues that the third way cabal refused to even consider for decades previously. But he has to take a lot of credit for just moving the narrative forward. Without him working to push these items, at the annoyance of some established Democrats, we wouldn't be where we are in the conversation.

[workinclasszero]

41. It's amazing to see the appropriation

of Bernie’s issues and then saying he had nothing to do with these issues he has advocated for decades!!

[workinclasszero]

39. Are you even serious?

[lapucelle]

57. The answer is probably "yes".

The 2000 Democratic Party Platform
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2000-democratic-party-platform

The 2004 Democratic Party Platform
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2004-democratic-party-platform

The 2008 Democratic Party Platform
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2008-democratic-party-platform

The 2012 Democratic Party Platform
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2012-democratic-party-platform

The 2016 Democratic Party Platform
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2016-democratic-party-platform

[George II]

51. It has been for a long time, a LONG time. How quickly we forget.

[NastyRiffraff]

65. Aaaaand....here we go again!

All Bernie, all the time, the all good, the all powerful, and nobody better criticize him even mildly or the Alert Swarm will activate.

[lapucelle]

68. Check out the swag on the BS 2020 website. It's the only page thats's up. N/T

[George II]

72. No thanks.

[Garrett78]

25. Good grief, Charlie Brown.

It's hard to know where to begin, but why re-invent the wheel when this narrative has been addressed many times before. As I did here, for instance: https://www.democraticunderground.com/12874834#post8.

Nobody is telling Sanders to lay down and die, though there are those of us who want him to, you know, not hire campaign co-chairs who would be banned from DU for not supporting the Democratic Party nominee and stating that there's no difference between the 2 parties.

And there are also those of us who recognize the reality he faces once diverse states start voting (see link above, see 2016).

[yaesu]

26. no one who wants to run should be dissuaded from running nor attacked for running

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We want participation, we want lots of voters turning out. If we attack, in fight too much we will drive down voter participation. I hope all the campaigns are attacking only one party, the republicans. It will be up to individual candidates to make their argument for being the best choice. Don't expect MSM to be any help other than helping tRump. I will vote for anyone who wins the Democratic primary but will be very picky with my primary choice. I will not necessarily be voting for who is more likable or who has the best chance of winning.

[Bernie42020]

40. Ditto

Drops mic.

[George II]

50. Okay, that's fine, but when he gets eliminated in early March I hope he doesn't start complaining..

...that it's "rigged".

[NastyRiffraff]

87. Oh, he will

That's a very good bet.

[elleng]

28. Thanks.

[NurseJackie]

29. Oh good grief! Bernie didn't come up with the Democratic "agenda".

And it's also not "his idea" that Election Day should be a holiday.

All I'm saying is that it's really disingenuous for anyone to claim ownership of something that they're not actually responsible for. I mean... seriously... it's not like we can't go back and look at tapes and review the facts of the matter.

I don't think anyone minds if they pick-up someone else's idea to try and improve it or run with it... but it really serves no good purpose for anyone pretend that it's their own idea in the process. I believe that all politicians should have a little common courtesy and decency in that regard. That's not too much to ask, is it?

[murielm99]

44. Thank you Nurse Jackie.

I said the same thing upthread. Now wait for the ridicule.

[NurseJackie]

46. GMTA!

I missed seeing your post! Good to know that we're on the same page... and that there are a lot more of us who are willing to speak-out.

[George II]

54. People in Congress have been calling for Election Day to be a national holiday for decades....

...and it comes up for discussion every few years. It certainly is nothing "revolutionary".

[not fooled]

30. Plus there's a bonus in this article

ridiculing tom friedman.

[shadowmayor]

31. Sidebar

Now and forever - Fuck Friedman. Hope he chokes on a dried turd.

[keepFocused06]

33. Bernie has no agenda

I have yet to hear Bernie Sanders address what his presidency will be like when he can't do the things he says he's going to do. What happens when we can't have medicare for all, he can't raise taxes on the very rich, and the free college plan falls through because it can't get enough support in congress. Bernie Sanders is a sound bite, bold idea candidate but we need somebody who can actually govern.

[still_one]

38. His Dalily News interview from 2016 wasn't particularly enlightening in that regard

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306

[lapucelle]

45. That endorsement interview is worth a second read.

I certainly don't hear any other Democratic candidates "hawking" anything from that cringe-worthy episode.

On breaking up the big banks:

Sanders: How you go about doing it is having legislation passed, or giving the authority to the secretary of treasury to determine, under Dodd-Frank, that these banks are a danger to the economy over the problem of too-big-to-fail.

Daily News: But do you think that the Fed, now, has that authority?

Sanders: Well, I don't know if the Fed has it. But I think the administration can have it.

Daily News: How? How does a President turn to JPMorgan Chase, or have the Treasury turn to any of those banks and say, "Now you must do X, Y and Z?"

Sanders: Well, you do have authority under the Dodd-Frank legislation to do that, make that determination.

Daily News: You do, just by Federal Reserve fiat, you do?

Sanders: Yeah. Well, I believe you do.

snip=====================================

Daily News: Well, it does depend on how you do it, I believe. And, I'm a little bit confused because just a few minutes ago you said the U.S. President would have authority to order...

Sanders: No, I did not say we would order. I did not say that we would order. The President is not a dictator.

Daily News: Okay. You would then leave it to JPMorgan Chase or the others to figure out how to break it, themselves up. I'm not quite...

Sanders: You would determine is that, if a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist. And then you have the secretary of treasury and some people who know a lot about this, making that determination. If the determination is that Goldman Sachs or JPMorgan Chase is too big to fail, yes, they will be broken up.

snip======================================================

On prosecuting bank executives responsible for the financial crisis:

Daily News: Okay. But do you have a sense that there is a particular statute or statutes that a prosecutor could have or should have invoked to bring indictments?

Sanders: I suspect that there are. Yes.

Daily News: You believe that? But do you know?

Sanders: I believe that that is the case. Do I have them in front of me, now, legal statutes? No, I don't. But if I would...yeah, that's what I believe, yes. When a company pays a $5 billion fine for doing something that's illegal, yeah, I think we can bring charges against the executives.

Daily News: I'm only pressing because you've made it such a central part of your campaign. And I wanted to know what the mechanism would be to accomplish it.

Sanders: Let me be very clear about this. Alright? Let me repeat what I have said. Maybe you've got a quote there. I do believe that, to a significant degree, the business model of Wall Street is fraud.

I live in NY where we have a Democratic governor who delivered on his promise of a $15 minimum wage and free state university.

Broad strokes and vague assurances won't work. We are not easily bamboozled.

[at140]

78. +10

[betsuni]

80. That's a classic.

Required reading.

[NurseJackie]

43. I hear a lot of "we-oughta" and "we-needa," but no realistic plans....

Bernie Sanders is a sound bite, bold idea candidate but we need somebody who can actually govern.

You're correct. I hear a lot of "we-oughta" and "we-needa," but no realistic plans that have any chance of getting through congress. Also the "all or nothing" (no compromise) approach means that we'll end up with nothing. Not even inching toward improvements... just "nothing." Sad. Yet, I'm sure there will still be those who (even though their hands are empty) will boast proudly about having not compromised... not realizing that having a few slices of bread is better than no-loaf at all.

All I'm saying is that stubbornness, pride and vanity are a poor substitute for actually making progress... even if it does involve compromise.

[George II]

52. Precisely - it's always "we need to....", never "I will". I saw tweets the last day or two...

...from both Harris and Kobuchar saying "I will", it was refreshing, just like Obama and then Clinton. For them it's never a case of "let them do it and I'll take credit for it".

[sacto95834]

74. "we need to...."

You mean like how Barrack Obama phrased his campaign platform? So unlike how Trump's vision which was all about what he would do to us?

I prefer to be included in the President's vision of what America's future could become....

[George II]

75. I believe Obama actually said "we WILL", but I could be wrong. I prefer that my President....

...takes the lead, doesn't just proclaim and then expect everyone else to figure out the details.

[betsuni]

70. When Chris Hayes asked BS what legislature he'd prioritize if president, he couldn't say.

"I don't look at it that way" was his response, whatever that means. I thought the point of being a politician was to get legislation done, and surely someone wanting to be president would have priorities. I guess details and plans aren't exciting and revolutionary.

[Duppers]

42. K & R

[wasupaloopa]

53. Where is Bernie's economic policies?

[lapucelle]

59. There's nothing on the BS 2020 site except an email address gate, a donation page, and a store.

All I see is

Give me your address for my email list

Send me money

and

Buy my stuff

Probably a good economic plan for BS, but it doesn't help other folks.

[bigtree]

56. this is his campaign's best play from 2016

...Bernie as the both the victim and the hero.

Encore.

[betsuni]

61. Bernie: take classic Democratic policies, call it something slightly different, claim it's new.

Seven minute abs.

[Hortensis]

71. :) "There go the Democrats. I must follow them, for I am their leader."

I just don't understand those who approve Putin's choice for defeating Democrats.

In the face of that reality, people never need to consider the matter of Sanders' character or competence, or whether he wrote the Bill of Rights and Democrats just copied it from him, but rather why would Russia support him and should they then also?

[WeekiWater]

62. Lol cat memes are suppose to be shorter. NT

[Gothmog]

73. There are some valid reasons to not support sanders

I was a delegate to the national convention. In real campaigns, the candidates carefully vet their delegates because the conduct of such delegates reflect on the candidate. I know that I was vetted. Vetting is important in that delegates can change their vote and the conduct of a candidates delegates reflects on the party and the candidate.

The Sunday night before the convention sanders sent a text to his delegates asking them to behave. My whip showed us the text and warned us. I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. That incident will be used against sanders if he runs in 2020.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.

sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused

There are a large number of real democrats who have long memories. We wil not forget or forgive.

[Lancero]

76. 2020 Sanders can't offer a different path when others are running on 'his' economic agenda either.

I say this as a past Sanders supporter - He doesn't have much chance this election, because now their isn't much different.

[Uncle Joe]

77. "Sanders Has an Advantage, and It's Not About Economics"

(snip)

In his Johns Hopkins address, Sanders offered a big-picture reading of this moment in international relations. For him, the ideological struggle of the 21st century doesn’t pit a liberal, democratic America against illiberal, authoritarian opponents, but instead pits liberal, democratic peoples everywhere against illiberalism at home and abroad. It’s a “worldwide movement toward authoritarianism, oligarchy and kleptocracy” against one toward “strengthening democracy, egalitarianism, and economic, social, racial and environmental justice.” In this conception of the world, President Trump is just one of many “demagogues who exploit people’s fears, prejudices and grievances to gain and hold on to power.”

These movements don’t emerge out of nothing. Sanders contends that they are fueled by the enormous disparities of wealth and opportunity that define global capitalism. This is the subject of his Westminster College speech — an attempt to link domestic economic issues to relations among states. “This planet will not be secure or peaceful when so few have so much, and so many have so little — and when we advance day after day into an oligarchic form of society where a small number of extraordinarily powerful special interests exert enormous influence over the economic and political life of the world,” Sanders said, adding later that “inequality, corruption, oligarchy and authoritarianism are inseparable.”

As for culprits, Sanders has a list. His Johns Hopkins address lists Vladimir Putin of Russia, Viktor Orban of Hungary, Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil, Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia as part of this global nexus of corruption and autocracy. He also singles out American billionaires like Robert Mercer and Sheldon Adelson for “promoting a shared agenda of intolerance and bigotry” as part of a “common front” of authoritarianism. And while Sanders was silent on Venezuela in these speeches, he has criticized the government of Nicolás Maduro in other venues, attacking its authoritarianism and suppression of democracy while rejecting intervention by the United States.

(snip)

What separates him from the pack in this race are his forceful and well-defined foreign policy views — his synthesis of domestic and international concerns. Rather than fight on old, now-crowded ground, he can move to new territory, opening vital conversations about America’s role in the world. He can bring a new set of progressive ideas to the Democratic mainstream and force his opponents to debate them on his terms. In doing so, Sanders could establish himself as the leading candidate for progressive Democrats who want to rebuild the nation’s reputation and influence as much as its economy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/opinion/sanders-warren-foreign-policy.html

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=2624

[MrsCoffee]

82. Once again, you CANT vote NO on Russian sanctions and then claim Putin is on your "list".

TWICE.

You CANT spend MONTHS trying to convince the American people that Russian interference was nothing more than a distraction and then claim Putin is on your “list”.

He has very little credibility left.

[ehrnst]

84. +1000.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. Great post!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!

[Gothmog]

83. You know that there are a very large number of real democrats who have long memories

These real democrats do not forget or forgive

This is from a sanders delegate

Link to tweet

[forklift]

88. It doesn't matter whose agenda it is

The platform may have existed before and others may have put it forward in the past.

What matters is that Bernie anointed it and brought it to the masses, giving it maximum exposure so now he gets the credit for it and rightfully so.

[ehrnst]

91. "Annointed it and brought it to the masses?"

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That's an interesting way to describe the actions of a career politician rather than a high priest.

[George II]

89. "They are hawking"? Aren't "the" also "us"?

[ehrnst]

90. Anti-Dem Bob Hennelly... Bernie cheerleader, fond of the term "Wall Street Neo-liberal"

Of course he's going to think any criticism of Bernie is telling him to "lay down and die," and anything that the Democrats do will fall short or be NEOSHILLWALLSTREET!