I don't get the MSNBC spin on the Iowa results.

[spooky3]

They are already hand wringing about Biden’s campaign. But I never expected Biden to do especially well in Iowa nor do I expect it in New Hampshire. He’s not a Midwesterner and there were other moderates to choose from who are, and there are several competitors from states near New Hampshire. He has also been under constant attack from Trump and his sycophants while other candidates whom Trump may perceive as weaker, have been spared. If Biden comes in well behind the leaders in SC, then I think pundits may be right to raise concerns.

Further, we know from 2016 that Sanders does well in caucuses. He should have been expected to come in first or second in Iowa, and as a Vermonter, in New Hampshire. He didn’t bring in lots of new participants to the Iowa caucuses.

I think Super Tuesday will tell the tale.

[UniteFightBack]

1. They enjoy beating on Biden and have been for months. nt

[still_one]

3. Exactly

[highplainsdem]

16. Nailed it.

[Green Line]

19. I've stopped watching them for the final time

I keep going back, but I'm done now.

[Dem4Life1102]

25. There does seem to be an anti-Biden bias

at the network.

[flamingdem]

2. In general the pundits seem to undermine Biden

Meanwhile he's still the leading candidate. He forewarned that Iowa wouldn't be great for him so...

[TwilightZone]

4. They need a horse race, even if they have to create one.

If Iowa really means as much as the media is claiming, the process needs to change. It should only be relevant in the same way any other state with 1% of the delegates is relevant.

What I find interesting is the same media is downplaying what appears to be a likely Pete win and acting as though Sanders had some huge win. All while proclaiming doom for Biden. It's a curious dynamic.

[spooky3]

5. I think they perceive Buttigieg as a flash in the pan.

They probably expect that he’ll be finished after Nevada.

[YOHABLO]

6. A horse race is good for profits.

[IADEMO2004]

17. +++++++++

[oasis]

7. Tweety can go straight to hell.

[spooky3]

9. He was on a roll, wasn't he? I tuned in around 7:30

And felt like Scooby Doo. One statement after another — huh??!!

[blm]

8. Watching CNN townhall. Warren is rockin'.

Sorry, but MSNBC is just too repetitive some nights and I find their Kornacki worship annoying.

[Sloumeau]

12. They worship Kornacki because he apparently is good with spreadsheets. :) nt

[TheRealNorth]

14. Kornacki calls it how he sees it

As someone who does a lot with statistics, he does a good job at breaking the numbers down, explaining the trends in the data, etc. Sometimes we don't like what he sees in the numbers, but they appear to me to be honest assessments.

[ismnotwasm]

10. Horse race syndrome

Sometimes DU primary threads cause me to do research. I get the passion for Bernie Sanders , I really do, as I follow youth trends.

However, the Iowa loss for Biden projects out to, well not much from what I’m reading. We will see. I’m hearing states like Florida will go for Joe Biden, California for Bernie Sanders. Doubt, HIGHLY doubt, the south will go to Sanders.

I have my eye on Bloomberg right now, he’s that long shot, interesting he’s picking up steam.

[spooky3]

11. Ditto. And while Sanders is projected to come in first in

CA, 538 says he’s expected to win a third of the votes.

This isn’t the electoral college, so it seems weird to say he will “win” CA.

[ismnotwasm]

13. Agree, a lot of rather bizarre spin right now

I try to wade through it as best I can

[former9thward]

15. So if Sanders wins it is "weird" to say that he won?

Getting the most votes has been the standard of every candidate saying they won a state, forever. When did that change? just because Sanders might win?

[spooky3]

18. Uh, is it so hard to understand that to some people, "winning" may imply getting a majority of the

votes, as in 51%? If someone gets 31% of California and someone else gets 30.9%, you're welcome to view that as a big win. I would not.

[former9thward]

23. Really?

The Buttigieg people are claiming a big win because they are less than a percentage vote ahead of Sanders in the state (not even national) delegate count. But since it is over Sanders that is ok I guess.

[spooky3]

24. Did I say I thought Buttigieg won "big" in Iowa?

[ChubbyStar]

29. You are a HOOT!

Funny!

[ChubbyStar]

28. Do you follow horse racing?

Prior results impact the odds; the length of the race factors in, trainers and owners also factor in, the track, the temperature, the age of the runners, and given conditions of the race, it is complicated. I have been loving and betting on horses for over 30 years, and fuck yes I love a long shot, but not Mike.

[NewsCenter28]

30. How could you get anything to do with that man?

No words can express the extreme danger that he poses to the whole world in that he will enable Trump to establish his dreamed-of monarchy.

[brooklynite]

20. You're aware that Biden has acknowledged that he has a problem?

It's not spin if it's obvious.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287478031

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287478609

[spooky3]

21. I've heard he's said that. Like most DUers, I think for myself. I explained

the basis for my opinion on this particular point.

[Gore1FL]

22. You can't come in 4th as a front runner while using the "most electable" arguement.

The is especially problematic when doing so as a moderate in a moderate state. Additionally, he has to raise money.

When a process like this is all about momentum and timing this sort of outcome is going to raise eyebrows. He can get it back, but right now he's stalled and has to recover.

[Capt. America]

26. +1000

[stonecutter357]

27. I don't get the MSNBC spin, Cut that shit off Bro !

[emmaverybo]

31. Good analysis.

[redstateblues]

32. Makes sense