Biden: Impeachment hasn't 'shaken my faith' in working with Republicans

[melman]

Former Vice President Joe Biden said the impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump haven't "shaken" his faith" in working with Republicans, adding that "no one's" found that his son Hunter Biden did anything untoward in Ukraine.

Impeachment "hasn't shaken my faith in being able to work with at least" some Republicans, Biden told "TODAY" show co-anchor Savannah Guthrie in an interview before Monday's Iowa caucuses.

"I think you're going to see the world change with Trump gone," Biden added.

The Senate last week voted against calling witnesses in Trump's impeachment trial, with just two Republicans voting in favor of additional testimony and documents. Some Republicans who voted against calling witnesses conceded that Trump acted improperly with regard to calling on Ukraine to announce investigations of the Bidens as he withheld nearly $400 million in aid.

The Senate is now expected to acquit Trump on Wednesday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-impeachment-hasn-t-shaken-my-faith-working-republicans-n1128556

[yaesu]

1. but the will never work with Biden nor any other Dem, a one way street

so lets quit pretending they aren't a fascist criminal organisation who"s only goal is to help putin destroy America while padding their bank accounts.

[Kurt V.]

2. I'm not sure if he believes this or its a campaign strategy. ..?

if he believes, its unrealistic bc the republican party has been focused on minority rule for some time.
if it's a campaign strategy it could hurt more than help bc of negative partisanship

[pangaia]

33. i believe he believes it, and there may actually be 1 or 2..... 1 or 2

[Progress_Dem]

3. Biden should name

the Republican Senators he believes he could work with. I'd like to hear those names.

I appreciate Biden's optimism but I don't think it aligns with political reality right now.

[zonkers]

5. He's not going to be the nominee with this perspectie says Zonkers as he listens to blowhard Ken

Starr's closing remarks. Not compelling. Dumbshit anecdotes. Guy makes me want to projectile vomit.

[ehrnst]

56. Well, here are some another candidate has expressed interest in reaching out to:

Sanders: I'm 'prepared to work with' Trump

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said Wednesday he is willing to collaborate with President-elect Donald Trump going forward but warned he would "strongly oppose" the Republican should he continue to pursue his most extreme policy proposals.

Acknowledging Trump's success in taping into economic resentment in his astounding electoral win Wednesday morning, Sanders cast Trump's candidacy in a light similar to his own failed presidential run during the Democratic primaries.

“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media," the senator said in a statement released Wednesday.

Trump And Sanders Try To Show New Hampshire They Can Reach Across The Aisle

In a presidential election season that’s seen plenty of partisan fights, Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders were among the candidates in Manchester, New Hampshire, Monday who were promising to reach across the political aisle if elected.

As WBUR's Fred Bever reported both men were out to demonstrate that they are practitioners of the art of compromise.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/14/sanders-reaches-across-aisle-at-liberty-university.html



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/bernie-sanders-2020.html

While often viewed as a pesky left-wing gadfly, he is also known to reach across the aisle, working on legislation with Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa and Senator John McCain of Arizona, both Republicans. He has rationalized voting for the 1994 crime bill, now heavily criticized for some of its draconian provisions, by saying he had favored progressive parts of the bill, including the Violence Against Women Act, while strongly opposing measures that would lead to mass incarceration.

Bernie Sanders’ Republican Buddy Reaches Across the Aisle To Endorse Clinton

Sanders’ longtime friend Tony Pomerleau, a prominent Republican businessman and developer in Sanders’ hometown of Burlington, Vermont, offered his support for Clinton this week, framing his endorsement in a historical context.

Said Pomerleau:

“I am a loyal Republican born in 1917 and the first time a woman could vote was in 1919,” the letter reads. “I will be most happy to cast my vote to the first woman president of the United States of America. I am a loyal friend of Bernie Sanders and in Vermont they call us the ‘Odd Couple.’”

[zonkers]

4. Joe, you got it wrong. Don't drink their Kool Aid. They are traitors.

nt

[jalan48]

6. Joe seems to be living in the past.

[area51]

9. +1 n/t

[aeromanKC]

28. Working together as Americans is the past and the future!!

Unfortunately it's not the present.

[Bradical79]

62. Not much of a future

Joe will be long gone before Republicans are worth working with. You don't go from Nazi to cooperating to benefit all of us in 4-8 years. Too many Democrats are sticking their heads in the sand, or just making empty overtures they have no intent of following through on.

[aeromanKC]

64. The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.

A house divided cannot stand.

But before we begin our journey or fix our house we need to GOTV to make sure we keep Pelosi and gain Schumer and the White House!!

[Hortensis]

67. :) +1000.

This is a political forum, not America. But the primaries are finally on, and I guess the contest is just making some of Sanders' partisans extra feisty.

[Ferrets are Cool]

53. As in 40 years in the past.

[jalan48]

58. Yes, hopefully no further.

[TheRealNorth]

7. Don't wear a tan suit Joe

The Republicans are likely to impeach you for it.

[OneMoreCupOfCoffee]

8. Joe Biden knows how to get legislation though Congress.

To be an authentic progressive requires getting things done.

This is why Joe Biden will be America's next president.

[Fiendish Thingy]

10. We need a nominee who is part of the reality-based community nt

[ismnotwasm]

11. Since that's how politics works

I suppose it’s good he thinks so.

[melman]

13. Really?

You suppose it's good that he expects Republicans to just magically change? Okay.

[LanternWaste]

16. Still placing arguments into people's mouths that were never said, eh?

Seems irrational, but I'm sure you'll attempt to justify doing so.

[melman]

18. The poster said they think it's 'good he thinks so'

In the article the only thing Biden says he 'thinks' is that the world will change with Trump gone.

Looked at in context this obviously refers to the Republicans.


So tell me, why don't you, what argument I'm placing that wasn't said.

[ismnotwasm]

23. I think the poster was referring to the "magically change" part

Which I neither said or inferred.

Let me explain my point of view; Until there is a big, bloody government- changing revolution, we have the system we have. This, unfortunately, includes a shit ton of Republicans and the people who believe in them. As much as I might wish they to go away, or at least become decent human beings that’s not happening.

Congress works a little something like this:

[melman]

24. I didn't say you did

That's what Biden has said repeatedly. What you said is you think it's good he thinks that.


But instead of addressing the reality that that is not going to happen, and/or trying to explain why you think it's good Joe Biden thinks it is you insultingly post Schoolhouse Rock videos everyone saw in the third fucking grade. So...whatever.

[ismnotwasm]

25. Oh dear.

I love that video.

This one too

[ehrnst]

55. Definitely relevant and helpful, considering some of the posts on this thread.

[ismnotwasm]

60. I thought so.

[JudyM]

49. It does seem to be the central element of Joe's strategy: that he can get them to collaborate.

Some of us question what his plan is if they (likely) don’t.

[ehrnst]

45. You mean like this?

Sanders: I'm 'prepared to work with' Trump

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said Wednesday he is willing to collaborate with President-elect Donald Trump going forward but warned he would "strongly oppose" the Republican should he continue to pursue his most extreme policy proposals.

Acknowledging Trump's success in taping into economic resentment in his astounding electoral win Wednesday morning, Sanders cast Trump's candidacy in a light similar to his own failed presidential run during the Democratic primaries.

“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media," the senator said in a statement released Wednesday.

Trump And Sanders Try To Show New Hampshire They Can Reach Across The Aisle

In a presidential election season that’s seen plenty of partisan fights, Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders were among the candidates in Manchester, New Hampshire, Monday who were promising to reach across the political aisle if elected.

As WBUR's Fred Bever reported both men were out to demonstrate that they are practitioners of the art of compromise.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/14/sanders-reaches-across-aisle-at-liberty-university.html



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/bernie-sanders-2020.html

While often viewed as a pesky left-wing gadfly, he is also known to reach across the aisle, working on legislation with Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa and Senator John McCain of Arizona, both Republicans. He has rationalized voting for the 1994 crime bill, now heavily criticized for some of its draconian provisions, by saying he had favored progressive parts of the bill, including the Violence Against Women Act, while strongly opposing measures that would lead to mass incarceration.

Bernie Sanders’ Republican Buddy Reaches Across the Aisle To Endorse Clinton

Sanders’ longtime friend Tony Pomerleau, a prominent Republican businessman and developer in Sanders’ hometown of Burlington, Vermont, offered his support for Clinton this week, framing his endorsement in a historical context.

Said Pomerleau:

“I am a loyal Republican born in 1917 and the first time a woman could vote was in 1919,” the letter reads. “I will be most happy to cast my vote to the first woman president of the United States of America. I am a loyal friend of Bernie Sanders and in Vermont they call us the ‘Odd Couple.’”

[George II]

61. Is that Liberty University in that picture of him with the jersey? Is that when he spoke...

....there on a Jewish High Holy Day?

[ehrnst]

63. Yes, indeed. The one promoting hate in the service of Trump, and also

had a poolboy scandal.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. I can't decide whether he actually believes this or if this is just his brand, stoking longing

for a past that never existed. Maybe both?

[Doremus]

40. Whichever it is, he's asking us to forget the 8 years President Obama tried in vain

to work with the pukes. They never cut the guy a single break.

Fuck republicans. Anybody suggesting we should work with them is delusional or saying anything to be elected.

[myohmy2]

14. ouch...

"...haven't "shaken" his faith" in working with Republicans,..."

...it sure has shaken my faith...and that's not counting what's yet to unfold...

...how can we ever trust these people to do the right thing?

...Joe must be a glutton for punishment...

[I_UndergroundPanther]

15. I hate republicans because

Of thier beliefs ,thier personalities and what they really value.

I give them no quarter. Thier followers are as corrupted as they are.
The blatent narcissim and sociopathy of republicans should never be ignored or whitewashed. They can't be trusted or given any compromises. Give them an inch they'll take it all.
They are traitors,assholes. They steal,cheat,destroy, abuse,gaslight and they hate 99%of the people in this country.

They want to make our government a toothless bitch to a feaudalist ogliarchy with a damn king. They do not believe they should be beholden to the law or the Constitution. They are control freaks with no consience. Conservatism is incompatible with the Constitution. Or freedoms we had before they shredded them.

I would recommend Biden tear those fucking republicans apart and never ever work with them.
They're poison to democracy and everything true and just.

This is a deal breaker for me.

I can't wait for the republican pigs to die off.

[denem]

17. Merrick Fucking Garland

A trial without witnesses.
There are no norms they won't break
in the name of Mitch McConnell.

Here's a bit of free advice - Zip It.

[booley]

19. if 2008 to 2016 didnt make hi reconsider....

I doubt a vote to cover up trump's crimes which was a foregone conclusion is going to make Biden rethink anything.

Sorry, but if Biden does win, I see a lot of political cartoons with the GOP as Lucy and Biden as Charlie Brown. Football is involved.

[denem]

20. Yesterday's man living in the past.

The answer to that question is 'we start by winning the Senate'.

[JudyM]

52. Yep.

Like Reid famously believing that McConnell was just posturing when he said their number one goal was to make Obama a one term president. These rethugs must be damned good at sales on the inside, because we out here don’t believe sh*t they say.

Tired of us falling for their crap and not fighting back hard enough. We have a lot of ground to make up now because we’ve ceded far too much, including our election infrastructure.

[LenaBaby61]

21. Suppose Leningrad holds his seat in South Carolina (GOD, I PRAY HE DOESN'T).

But Biden's going to work with the likes of HIM?

The same treasonous ASSHOLE who wants to investigate BOTH he & his son? The same bought and paid for by tRump and the ru$kies fuckface? The one who wants to destroy this country?



I'm voting Blue no matter who (Except for Tulsi), but I hope Joe's continually saying that there are "good" folks over in the POP=Party of Putin is for campaign purposes ONLY, because you cannot work with treasonous weasels who are HELL-BENT on destroying our country/democracy/WORLD. There is no working with those treasonous, mutherfukking Party of Putin folks.


Work with MoscowMitch if that fucker holds HIS Senate Seat? The one whose stacking the higher and lower lower courts with young, hideous, WWJD (What would Jesus do?) Federalists who'd love nothing better than for women to DIE because she shouldn't be allowed to have a safe and legal abortion procedure that would save her life?

[Autumn]

26. Of course not.

[CentralMass]

27. Wow.

[stonecutter357]

29. good let's go Joe !

[Faux pas]

30. That

wouldn't get my vote, sorry.

[BlueJac]

31. It seems like he is living in by gone era ...

Just an observation.

[pangaia]

32. Sir, trump is the RESULT of republicans...

40+ years worth...

[Dan]

35. And this is why

I cannot support Biden.

[underthematrix]

36. I appreciate VP Biden responding in appropriate presidential speak.

Our job is to make sure the nominee has as few Republicans to deal with as possible. In the Senate #Remove23GOP. That's how many are up for re-election. In the House, increase our control to a two thirds majority. Down ballot, increase our control of govships and state houses.

[ismnotwasm]

37. I'm actually confused at the OP

Every candidate, including Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren has a comment or a plan or a history of, “working with Republicans”. I’m not a huge Biden fan, but I fail to see why this is being presented as a negative.

Presenting Republicans as negatives, I totally get. Reducing their numbers in Congress? Spectacular

[Lancero]

38. Republicans were frothing at the mouth to offer your son up on a pike to appease Trump...

And you STILL have faith in them?

[ehrnst]

42. Got any evidence that he's "taking money from oil companies?"

Thanks.

[ehrnst]

46. Not seeing where it shows that Biden did what you said.

Because if it did, Common Cause would have been on it, don't you think?

https://www.commoncause.org/press-release/common-cause-files-complaint-against-pro-bernie-sanders-group-our-revolution-for-violating-soft-money-ban/

But I'll bite, where does the Intercept article say or show that Biden is "taking campaign money from oil companies?"

[ehrnst]

50. When a PAC *doesn't* show where the money comes from, and it's closely connected with a candidate,

that's what needs to have a spotlight shown on it.

Under the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, an entity directly or indirectly established by a federal candidate or officeholder is not allowed to “solicit, receive, direct, transfer, or spend funds in connection with an election for Federal office” unless the “funds are subject to the limitations, prohibitions, and reporting requirements” of federal law.

According to Our Revolution’s tax returns showing contribution amounts but not contributor names, data compiled and first reported by the Associated Press, from 2016 to 2018 Our Revolution raised almost $1 million dollars from contributors who gave in excess of the applicable $5,000 contribution limit, including multiple contributions of between $100,000 and $300,000. Our Revolution has not disclosed any of its contributors to the FEC, as required by federal campaign finance law.

https://www.commoncause.org/press-release/common-cause-files-complaint-against-pro-bernie-sanders-group-our-revolution-for-violating-soft-money-ban/

Wouldn't you say?

Because that's when it runs afoul of FEC regulations.

[SMC22307]

65. Seriously. It's hard to get enthused about the guy who thinks...

he'll be able to "work with" Republicans. How'd that work out for Obama? Merrick Garland? Etc.

[Midnight Writer]

41. It is a possibility if he totally trounces Trump. Authoritarians submit to the big dog.

It's in their nature.

And now we know the key to controlling them: mean Tweets.

[Ferrets are Cool]

54. Repugs will never "submit" to a Democratic President

All they did with a GREAT one (Obama) was obstruct. Joe Biden has rose colored glasses on.

[SMC22307]

66. Fantasy. (n/t)

[ehrnst]

44. Sanders: I'm 'prepared to work with' Trump - 11/19/2016

Sanders: I'm 'prepared to work with' Trump

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said Wednesday he is willing to collaborate with President-elect Donald Trump going forward but warned he would "strongly oppose" the Republican should he continue to pursue his most extreme policy proposals.

Acknowledging Trump's success in taping into economic resentment in his astounding electoral win Wednesday morning, Sanders cast Trump's candidacy in a light similar to his own failed presidential run during the Democratic primaries.

“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media," the senator said in a statement released Wednesday.

Trump And Sanders Try To Show New Hampshire They Can Reach Across The Aisle

In a presidential election season that’s seen plenty of partisan fights, Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders were among the candidates in Manchester, New Hampshire, Monday who were promising to reach across the political aisle if elected.

As WBUR's Fred Bever reported both men were out to demonstrate that they are practitioners of the art of compromise.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/14/sanders-reaches-across-aisle-at-liberty-university.html



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/bernie-sanders-2020.html

While often viewed as a pesky left-wing gadfly, he is also known to reach across the aisle, working on legislation with Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa and Senator John McCain of Arizona, both Republicans. He has rationalized voting for the 1994 crime bill, now heavily criticized for some of its draconian provisions, by saying he had favored progressive parts of the bill, including the Violence Against Women Act, while strongly opposing measures that would lead to mass incarceration.

Bernie Sanders’ Republican Buddy Reaches Across the Aisle To Endorse Clinton

Sanders’ longtime friend Tony Pomerleau, a prominent Republican businessman and developer in Sanders’ hometown of Burlington, Vermont, offered his support for Clinton this week, framing his endorsement in a historical context.

Said Pomerleau:

“I am a loyal Republican born in 1917 and the first time a woman could vote was in 1919,” the letter reads. “I will be most happy to cast my vote to the first woman president of the United States of America. I am a loyal friend of Bernie Sanders and in Vermont they call us the ‘Odd Couple.’”

[tinrobot]

47. If you paint all Republicans as evil, then Republican voters are less likely to cross over.

Chill out, people. Politics 101.

He's just trying to keep the door open so he can get some moderates to cross over.

[Ferrets are Cool]

51. ...

Use your inner Forrest Gump voice: "That's all I got to say bout that."

[Blues Heron]

57. Joe realizes we're in a post-Garland world right?

It's been a long time since Joe was in the Senate. Things have changed an eensy bit since those halcyon days of bipartisan yore.

[gibraltar72]

59. Shakes my faith in Joe Biden.