Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumAnti-Berners have unintentionally shredded their own "Bernie isn't vetted" talking point.
You know when a grainy image of the Lower Bumblefuck Gazette shows up on twitter with a story of how Bernie ran a red light in 1976? That's not from a guy in Lower Bumblefuck who came across an old copy of the Gazette. No, no, no. The anti-Bernie groups are DIGGING! They are ON IT!
The media's looking for dirt on Bernie. GOP billionaire funded groups like Third Way are looking for dirt. All those centrist anti-Bernie twitter accounts. This is an effort! And what have they found? Nothing!
You don't start your search for dirt with a 1976 issue of the Lower Bumblefuck Gazette, if you know what I mean. The low-hanging fruit has been plucked, and, well, there isn't any.
So, yeah, those anti-Bernie centrists that kept saying he was wasn't vetted. Maybe not in 2016. Maybe not even a year ago. But boy, after the firehose of attacks the last few months, the man is VETTED. And he came up roses.
So thanks, anti-Bernie twitter accounts. We can all rest easier now, thanks to your hard work.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)The real democrats in this race have not started to go negative on him yet but trump has a ton to work with and will bury and destroy such a weak candidate like sanders
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Democrats face a classic collective-action problem. The party has a strong interest in publicly vetting Sanders before he becomes its nominee, but no candidate wants to be the one to go negative on him. Instead, as with Donald Trumps Republican opponents in 2016, other Democratic candidates are seemingly hoping to pick off Sanders voters during the primary season, or at least attract their support in November, without doing the dirty work of criticizing his record. Attacks that appear to echo potential Republican talking points are especially likely to go unsaid. As a result, large numbers of voters may not learn about Sanderss vulnerabilities and how they might be exploited in a general election until much later in the race.
The lack of scrutiny of Sanders dates back to 2016. Despite his long career in politics, Sanders was a little-known outsider before his presidential campaign against Hillary Clinton. His unexpectedly strong showing in that race made him a national figure with an unusually positive public image. Why? Few politicians ever criticized him. Sanders never seriously threatened Clintons hold on the nomination, so she mostly held her fire, preferring to try to keep his voters in the fold for November. Republicans largely withheld criticism as well, presumably appreciating his refusal to withdraw from the race and hoping to run against him rather than Clinton in the general election.
These attacks will come, however, if Sanders is the Democratic nominee. Any candidate will face attacks, of course, but for contenders like Sanders who have been insulated from previous criticism, the potential for damage is especially great.,,,,
Moreover, though Democratic candidates dont want to make this point in the primary race, attacks on Sanderss praise of socialist and communist governments are likely to be especially damaging when paired with criticism of his policy proposals as big-government socialism. Even Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), who once assiduously sought to prevent Sanders from getting to her left, has realized the risks of Sanderss plan to move all health care to a single-payer system and has started to edge away from the idea. Only 20 percent of voters and just 37 percent of Democrats say they would be enthusiastic about voting for a socialist for president.
Labels like socialist are abstract and poorly understood by most voters, of course; some of Sanderss policies are indeed popular. But the penalty for extremism is real. When ideologically extreme candidates narrowly defeat moderates for a party nomination, the political scientists Andrew Hall and Daniel Thompson find, they perform more poorly in the general election, in part because they inspire the other partys base more than their own. For instance, former Kansas secretary of state Kris Kobach, a hard-right conservative, barely beat the Republican governor in the 2018 gubernatorial primary before losing the general election to a Democrat by five percentage points.
Trump might seem to be a counterexample, but Sanders will struggle to replicate his success. Its true that Trump won the White House despite having unusually high unfavorable ratings and a personal background that many voters considered disqualifying. Like Trump, Sanders would surely benefit from the strong pull of party loyalty, which can help counter the doubts of some potential supporters. But Trump had a key advantage: Voters in 2016 saw him as unusually moderate, which helped him overcome those record unfavorable numbers. Though the public now sees Trump as more conservative than in the last election, it views Sanders as even more distant from the center.
Besides his socialist positions, Sanders also has a long paper trail of writings and statements about sex, gender and race that have received relatively little attention but are likely to provoke far more controversy if he wins the nomination. In one 1969 essay, for instance, Sanders wrote that the manner in which you bring up your daughter with regard to sexual attitudes may very well determine whether or not she will develop breast cancer, among other things. And does his diverse coalition of young supporters know he once compared workers in Vermont to slaves?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
efhmc
(14,726 posts)and has always been bright and clear to this feminist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,771 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jg10003
(976 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,534 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,265 posts)Is that a snide reference to small local newspapers and the journalists who work for them?
My, that almost sounds elitist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,534 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beastie boy
(9,363 posts)If you ever find a Trump tweet that goes full retard on Bernie, get back to me about vetting. Otherwise I am not impressed.
But I doubt you will find anything significant from the GOP on Bernie. He is not a threat to them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OneMoreCupOfCoffee
(314 posts)There are things that are known about Sanders that would blow his candidacy out of the water.
Democrats have held back using them. Republicans would not.
That's the difference.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)The Democratic campaigns may be holding back. But the Bernie-hating twitter accounts have not been. And so far, they've been shooting blanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,993 posts)about an article that had taken me under 15 seconds to find via Google:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287447116#post3
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ritapria
(1,812 posts)In 1997 Bernie screamed "Damn" after his dog shat on is his new living room carpet . A clear sign of animal cruelty He ought to withdraw from the campaign, as well giving serious consideration to resigning his Senate seat , according to sources close to Third Way - the influential think tank that wants both major parties to be in the tank for Wall ST.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Bernie was spotted double dipping a tortilla chip into a bowl of guacamole. That's right, we have a confirmed double-dip in the guac. Now back to you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)has been vetted. For all we know, someone was searching the Internet for something completely different and tripped over it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,300 posts)did or said 40 years ago, huh?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden