Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumStephanie Carter Sets the Record Straight: That Viral Image With Joe Biden Was Not a #MeToo Moment
From Mediaite this evening. Btw, Carter and her husband set the record straight years ago, but unfortunately this smear was resurrected by Flores and made an issue again.
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/stephanie-carter-sets-the-record-straight-that-viral-image-with-joe-biden-was-not-a-metoo-moment/
Back in 2015, Carter joined Biden for a White House event captured on video.
A still from the video looks decidedly cringy, which has been pointed out again and again.
Here is one version, showing Bidens hands on her shoulders.
Link to tweet
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But as Carter notes, it is not the whole story. In fact, it is not even the right one.
In her own words, Carter explained how she had slipped on the ice just prior and was uncharacteristically uncomfortable when her husband, Ash Carter was being sworn in as Secretary of Defense.
She also noted that in the next days the rumor mill didnt stop, even when her husband told the press that they were friends with the Bidens.
Ash tried to joke that it was the only way people knew that he had been sworn in, Carter wrote. At his first available opportunity, he told the press that we had been friends with the Bidens for years and it wasnt at all what people thought. But that didnt stop people I had not heard from since high school sending me messages usually with some joke or demanding to know what he had said to me.
Carter concluded by saying she thought if she didnt dignify the whole thing with a response, it might go away.
It did not. Instead, due to the Lucy Flores story, the image and accusations have been circulating once again.
I thought it would all blow over if I didnt dignify it with a response, she said. But clearly that was wishful thinking.
She added: I wont pretend that this will be the last of that picture, but it will be the last of other people speaking for me.
-snip-
RWers have kept trying to misuse this for years.
I'd expect that of them.
I wouldn't expect it of a Democratic politician, especially one Biden had helped in the past.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, the fact that Flores resurrected this smear and even said, in what looks like a deliberate lie, that Biden was nuzzling Stephanie Carter's neck, is what really made me doubt her motivations and veracity. What made me think her own story of allegedly inappropriate behavior by Biden wasn't just a misinterpretation of Biden trying to reassure her when he and Flores appeared at the same event in Nevada years ago.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,515 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,252 posts)and it seemed to me like she made up what happened to her based on what she saw in pics and videos with him and other women. that's why she kept bringing them up.it wasn't her place to speak for other women.
and we have seen the pics of her with Biden after the alleged kiss and she seems perfectly fine and even putting her hand on him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)she was using old smears that had been debunked. Actually, she probably did know they'd been debunked, especially the smear involving Stephanie Carter, which made me particularly unhappy with Flores.
But I'm still not sure Flores completely fabricated all the details of that encounter with Joe Biden, because she apparently mentioned something about it in old emails.
As I've said elsewhere, I think she misinterpreted reassuring gestures, was embarrassed that Biden was so close to her when she hadn't washed her hair that day (that was such a bizarre detail for her to bring up that it had to have been very important to her), and her embarrassment turned to resentment of him.
Probably she realized it was too trivial to bring up at the time.
But she's a Bernie supporter, and with Biden leading Bernie in the polls, she wrapped herself in the flag of the #MeToo movement, tried to weaponize old smears that had already been debunked, and set forth to try to slay the enemy.
I believe it will backfire, that it's already backfiring.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kag
(4,079 posts)She's trying to "Al Franken" Joe Biden and it pisses me off. Me Too isn't about affectionate men creeping out women who go on to attack that man for their affection. Flores even maintains that the incident with herself wasn't sexual assault. Me Too is about sexual assault, and women who co-opt it for politics should STFU.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,314 posts)was using old debunked "smears" .. she tried to "smear" Hillary in 2017 After the GE.. with this Hogwash..
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elleng
(130,974 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TwilightZone
(25,471 posts)I kept posting the Snopes article debunking the claim.
I would have thought by now that most Democrats would understand that "creepy Joe" was a right-wing fabrication that's been around for years and that a little research might be in order before repeating the old claims. Guess not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)And I agree that DUers should have known better than to drag those RW smears onto this board.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,314 posts)I wonder if any of them were pissed at Gillibrand for "railroading" Franken?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IndyOp
(15,524 posts)Is the essence of @MeToo
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Good for her. People really gotta stop with the knee-jerk reactions and projecting onto other women.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JI7
(89,252 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)And I get so tired so tired of people using photos to try to smear politicians and other public figures.
Biden's been subjected to this way too much, and his enemies have also photoshopped some pics to make them look worse.
Don't help RWers try to destroy Democrats who might be able to beat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)explain.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
John Fante
(3,479 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)but her own words did. Good for her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Beartracks
(12,816 posts)It, too, was a still shot from a video that clearly shows that's not what he was doing.
Just like this still shot of Biden supposedly doing something inappropriate. And you know why political adversaries isolate images out of context and drop them in places where Democrats will easily find them? Because it works: in today's Me Too world a great many Democrats will believe what they think they see and spread the images far and wide, risking damage to an influential Democrat without the Republicans getting any blood on their hands.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)copying RW smears of our leaders and candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)a follower of hers raving about the lie another Our Revolution alum, Nomiki Konst, pushed about this on CNN today.
This is her tweet and the post she retweeted:
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
That follower of hers is raving about what Konst said at 5:55 in that video, so apparently Flores wanted her followers to focus on that.
What Konst said, incorrectly, was that Biden was "sniffing her (Carter's) hair."
I think it's disgusting that both Flores and Konst are promoting a discredited smear.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aussie105
(5,401 posts)Tribes of people hell bent on smearing politicians of a persuasion they don't like, digging up old stories, using pictures to 'illustrate' the moral depravity, oh, how really, really evil!
Don't buy into it!
But if you do, I have pictures of an old guy in a red suit and a huge white beard - probably fake to hide his identity - with a YOUNG girl on his LAP! Talking to her, definitely grooming her for the Evil that is sure to come.
Pure evil! Happens a lot at Christmas!
Like I said, don't buy into it. Question the motivations of the accusers instead.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)If we continue to go this route we might have to just get rid of all men who are older than a certain age.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)The problem here is Biden's lying accusers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
videohead5
(2,178 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aussie105
(5,401 posts)The shoulder touch! That's how it starts!
If you hate Bernie, I'm sure you could spin the one picture into something really bad. And I'm sure someone will.
Seriously. It's normal in a selfie to position yourself like that. The hand is used to steady youself, so you don't make accidental contact with lower parts of the body.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
videohead5
(2,178 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Aussie105
(5,401 posts)doesn't quite look normal. Sure it is a human hand?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
John Fante
(3,479 posts)Did she sign the proper consent forms before performing this salacious shoulder touch? Human contact is strictly forbidden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)we will have to sign forms to shake someone's hand...
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BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)Where was their outrage when Dubya gave Chancellor Merkel a shoulder rub?
#IchAuch
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,314 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,537 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden