Sanders' rise shows voters want someone with courage, principles and the right priorities.

[Donkees]

If real courage is measured by being there before something is politically popular, and being guided not by counting the votes but by principle, Sanders has it on so many issues. He has what it takes to defeat Trump and make America work for all of its residents.

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

1. "If you write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too."

[betsuni]

10. Nobody's "afraid" of Bernie's speeches. Rallies won't change anything as Bernie says they will.

It's not the 1930s. Democrats don't have the supermajorities in the legislature as FDR did, there's no Great Depression, Republicans weren't taken over by Tea Party nuts.

It's 2020.

[UniteFightBack]

17. +1000

[lark]

24. A ton of Bernie supporters don't support Democrats - that is the issue in a nutshell.

Too many of them want fire and revolution, the chaos from the left instead of the right and hate, and will only support their candidate and will fuck over the nation out of spite - AGAIN.

[Amimnoch]

33. But they sure as hell expect Democrats to fall in step behind him if he wins.

They treat it as if it's some kind of given.. they don't have to support us, but damn if we don't have to support them.

Fuck that noise.

[lark]

37. Yep, that arrogance and one-wayism is part of the issue.

Nailed it.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

43. Will you vote for Bernie in the general election if he is nominated?

[LanternWaste]

45. Will you ask another irrelevant question?

[Amimnoch]

47. LOL, I think that's a given!

[treestar]

52. And they are feeling entitled to decide anything the DNC decides

So as to favor Bernie, which is odd for someone who is not always a party member.

[awesomerwb1]

27. LOL good one

[handmade34]

28. I'm not afraid of Bernie

I really love having Bernie as my Senator... my ideology is much akin to his....

what I fear is another 4 years of Trump and in my heart I believe that can happen if Bernie is our nominee (and I don't think Bernie would be a good/effective President

FDR lived and accomplished much in a different time... we live in a much different world and the changes needed, need different tactics

our best bet would be to work tirelessly to turn the Senate Blue, keep the House Blue and then just about any of the other Democratic candidates will be able to do what's needed

[LanternWaste]

44. Much as I cannot understand why people pretend others are afraid of Bernie.

And never (ever) provide evidence of this alleged fear.




But I get it... fear is an effective tactic often employed by career politicians, so I understand Bernie's use of it.

[Amimnoch]

48. not fear, disdain.

He is absolutely NOT a FDR figure by any stretch of the imagination either.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

2. Like this?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287451272

[yaesu]

7. yep, like the "outrage" over Obama wearing a brown suit, these corporatists are getting desperate.

[betsuni]

12. How did right-wingers attack President Obama for writing a book?

[Hortensis]

4. Powerful social media campaign and current ignorance are reasons.

Sure, people are unhappy at the mess their own negligence has gotten us all in, but honest information is desperately needed to stop the slide by more people making wiser choices.

I heard that if Sanders does "win" Iowa, a "Never-Sanders" campaign by concerned Democrats will start educating the public so they can know more about the Real Bernie Sanders.

Right now, most "information" is coming from the Sanders camp and the MSM, with too many of the latter working along with foreign enemies to try to use Sanders once again to defeat Democrats.

[Hortensis]

14. :) Well, no one will have to. Congress legislates.

Sanders' bizarre notion that he's going to generate a giant wave of support that will make him Legislator-in-Chief, with congress fearfully rubberstamping whatever the people (who just elected them) demand, is way beyond just delusional. It's anti-democratic extremism. We elect presidents to administer the laws congress passes, not to cause chaos by trying to run a socialism-leaning revolution from within.

As for the MfA idea he's been using to run on, I feel sure he's never wanted it. MfA is for-profit capitalism, for god's sake! Sanders has always based his ideology on loathing that and the need to run people who support it out of government. I believe the MfA slogan is merely a means to undo the Democrats' ACA, which badly undermined his most politically useful argument for the urgent need to socialize our systems.

[Hortensis]

19. To the contrary. Why not learn more about him?

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Trump should make everyone realize we're voting for a presidential administration, not a healthcare program.

Since Sanders has mostly worked alone over the years, his entire history is not very complex, even with all his obfuscations. You're going to find out he's a true believer. His contempt for the choices Democratic voters have always made is as real as his attempt to overset their vote in 2016.

Also, since the subjects are brought up, how about extremist personality and politics? His plans for HOW he's going to accomplish his impossible goals are real wowsers. Take a good look at his own earnest explanations he's given many times. His whackadoodle plan to overset our system of checks and balances as president, because he assumes rightly that congress would block his more extreme plans, isn't exactly protective of the liberal democracy nations around the planet have copied from us.

Also his constant assertions for decades that Democrats do the same things as Republicans, always have, and are really hardly different. What does it say about him that he could believe Democrats also pack the courts with extremist judges who persecute minorities, like the Republicans do? Yes, he said that, at the She the People conference. One of thousands of reality-denying over the years that should make everyone take a real good look at him.

Also learn what the Democratic socialism he's promoted for years is -- never to be confused with the socialist democracy systems within capitalist economies of some European nations, no matter how he tries to fool people that it should be. Onions and oranges.

As for your last, those who believe mainstream choices must be overcome for everyone's good are unquestionably demonstrating "undemocratic belief systems." Those who supported Sanders as he promised many times to overthrow the popular primary vote to have himself made the nominee did just that, and those who support him now, with undeniable proof of what he'd do, are doing just that.

[Hortensis]

50. One of the sources is his NYT editorial board interview recently.

Clinton does not think Sanders "worked" for her, btw, nor any of her staff, nor any of the Democratic Party leadership. Most think he cost the Democratic Party the 2016 election, including senate and a big part of the house. And many of them have said so for the public record. He's done it before in that past you should look into. And he himself has said Democrat-Republican? No real difference and means it.

Again, we all should know who and what we're supporting. Before we vote for it and are in for whatever's hidden behind door #3. In this case, someone who literally thinks it doesn't matter much if we elected Trump because both parties are terrible.

[calguy]

9. THIS

[yaesu]

5. The bottom line is

he will draw lines to the polls to beat tRump. He will electrify the base, that will be the deciding factor otherwise we get 2016 redux.

[Demsrule86]

11. We don't have enough base to win a general. And his Rogan type buddies are only voting for

him in the primary IMHO.

[samnsara]

13. i want someone who can beat trump and can fix this country from DAY 1..

[Donkees]

16. Bernie Off The Top Rope

[handmade34]

29. weird cult

[BannonsLiver]

31. I just find

Art that portrays 80 year old obese men, or 80 year old men coming off a heart attack as super heroes to be quite bizarre. And also a little creepy.

[Amimnoch]

36. Really.. 100% perfect descriptor. -nt

[Zeus69]

49. So dumb

[brooklynite]

15. 75% of voters don't want Bernie Sanders...

He might end up in first, but I wouldn't draw stirring conclusions from his polling.

[NYMinute]

20. Sanders will not win Iowa

[handmade34]

30. I hope you are correct

I hope you have inside info

[kstewart33]

21. No, voters want someone who can defeat Trump.

Check the polling.

And Bernie as the nominee guarantees a terrible loss, and losing the House.

Take a few minutes Donkees and do some research. His background - no serious full-time job until his 30s, child out of wedlock, no financial support for the child, supporting the Sandistas, honeymooning in the Soviet Union, repeated praise for Fidel Castro, and on and on and on.

And most of all, free college, free healthcare, free housing, with absolutely no idea of what it will cost and how to achieve it.

Win the battleground states?

Trump is criticizing all of the top Dem candidates but not a word about Bernie, just as it was the case in 2016.

He will eviscerate Bernie. By the time he's done with him, there won't be much left.

But there will be 4 more years of Trump, and the death of our democracy.

[Dream Girl]

22. If he wins, say hello to President Trump.

Sanders is his wet dream. He will be crushed. A bunch of folks will look like boo boo the fool. I guess we can have a bunch of marches and demonstrations.

[dlk]

23. Is voting to give blanket immunity to the gun industry a "right priority"?

A friend would like to know...

[llashram]

26. really?

[Happy Hoosier]

32. Do those principles and priorities include....

Staffing up his campaign with unrepentant Stein supporters and disrespecting long-time "establishment" democrats like myself?

[highplainsdem]

34. Then I guess Biden maintaining the lead for a year means voters think he has more courage and

principles and even better priorities than Sanders.

Makes sense...

[Uncle Joe]

35. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread Donkees.

[katmondoo]

38. I am still looking for that person

[RandySF]

51. 20% of roughly 50% of the country'?