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Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Once Compared Vermont Workers to Black 'Slaves'
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As the leading member of a self-described radical political party in the 1970s, Bernie Sanders repeatedly compared Vermont workers to enslaved black people.
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"In recent weeks, Sen. Bernie Sanders has criticized his rivals for the Democratic presidential nomination for having too much baggage to win the diverse coalition needed to defeat President Donald Trump in November. But as the Vermont independent tops national polls for the first time, newly unearthed baggage from his own decades-long political career could call his own past statements and judgment into question.
As the leading member of a self-described radical political party in the 1970s, Sanders repeatedly compared Vermont workers to enslaved black people, according to archival interviews obtained by The Daily Beast. In one 1976 conversation, Sanders told a local newspaper that the sale of a privately held mining company by its founders harkened back to the days of slavery, when black people were sold to different owners without their consent, and compared the service economy to chattel slavery.
Basically, today, Vermont workers remain slaves in many, many ways, Sanders said in another interview in 1977, in which he compared the burgeoning service industry in the nearly all-white state to the enslavement of black Americans at the nations founding. The problem comes when we end up with an entire state of people trained to wait on other people.
At the time, Sanders was the chairman of the Liberty Union Party, a Vermont offshoot of the socialist Peoples Party. The future senator and presidential hopeful had run for statewide office as the partys nominee twiceonce for the U.S. Senate in 1972, and once for governor in 1976, when he garnered 6 percent of the vote. Those bids were unsuccessful, but the message in the interviews was not dissimilar from that of his 2020 presidential campaign, with an emphasis on working-class solidarity and the disruption of a corrupt political elite enabled, he said in the 1976 article, by a handful of billionaires [who control] the economic and political life of the nation.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-once-compared-vermont-workers-to-black-slaves?ref=home&via=twitter_page
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highplainsdem
(49,005 posts)And as I recall the ones who were stoned sounded just as bad as the ones who were drunk.
It could be so painful to listen to if you weren't stoned or drunk.
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TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...as the idea of being wage slaves has existed for quite some time. What'll the next fake outrage be?
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Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Take a hint from the tweet, it's why I posted it. "Just. . . .don't defend this. "
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TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...and you might find it's very appropriate in this discussion. Here's a excerpt and quote from Frederick Douglass:
Feel free to read more on the subject, and historical comparisons drawn, here. It's not new...and has apparently been around as far back as Cicero in Rome.
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Scurrilous
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TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Also, Ill take the word of an actual former slave over anything anyone says on Twitter anytime.
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Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Just be careful out there equated a paying job with slavery.
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WhiskeyGrinder
(22,359 posts)emancipation is lazy and offensive.
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TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...the comparison has existed since the 18th century or even further back. As I said...this isn't a new concept.
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BannonsLiver
(16,398 posts)Something about running as if the internet didn't exist?
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Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)This is supposed to be a major hit on Sanders? Sure our public dialog on racism has evolved over the decades and overt comparisons of actual slavery to other forms of oppression are now more widely understood to be racially insensitive, but this comment from 1976, spoken midway between Bernie Sander's being arrested in Chicago in the 60's at a civil rights demonstration and his being one of the only white elected officials in America endorsing Jessie Jackson for President in the 80's, this is supposed to be a major turn off? I just don't see it effecting the votes of virtually anyone in a 2020 General Election, except perhaps helping establish Bernie's career long dedication to fighting for the rights of ordinary workers of every race..
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Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)#ILikeBernie because he allowed Martin Luther King to march with him on Selma. - Chris Evans.
Polling 20% among black voters....shouldn't be affected a bit by comparing waiters in Vermont resorts to slaves.
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MH1
(17,600 posts)To compare crappy employment - which has things that are fair to complain about - with slavery, exhibits a stunning lack of concept of what slavery was. OR the willingness to employ extreme rhetoric to make a point. The first will not endear him to the AA community, and I expect they don't care about it being a few decades ago, but of course that is up to them. The second will not endear him to the moderates that we will need to win the GE.
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aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)That's how analogies work
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Thanks for the level headed response, Aiko!
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Voltaire2
(13,075 posts)'wage slave' is a commonplace description of the relationship between labor and capital in a modern economy.
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Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Brooke@brooketorious
·Replying to
@magi_jay
Maybe the socialist movement in America should reconsider using the term wage slavery, given our whole history with slavery and lack of reparations. Just spitballing here...
Andy@trtx84
Replying to
@magi_jay
It feels like the natural evolution of the language they use.
Throw around the phrase "wage slavery" enough and white people are going to start thinking of themselves as actual slaves.
Ted S. Raicer@tdraicer
·Replying to @magi_jay
and
@PelosiSquadNine
I don't know. I wasn't in Vermont back then. Maybe they were selling white husbands and children away from their wives and mothers? Plus picking cotton in Burlington in January is probably pretty brutal.
Texas Yall@texasdemyall
·Replying to
@magi_jay
This was the most jarring part of this. As though if the owners had the consent of the slaves it would have been OKAY?
As though negotiating the sale of a company is in any way similar to negotiating the sale of a HUMAN F*CKING BEING.
JT Thompson@JThomp1881
·Replying to
@magi_jay
and
@ag_due
But hey...there is a picture if Bernie in the 60s at a Civil Rights rally once...so...
Obviously he is the expert of all things slavery..
WylieDeeds@DeedsWylie
·Replying to
@magi_jay
Knock me over with a feather.
Brocialist White saviour can't keep his mask on.
I could go on but...and don't to forget to yell the rigged DNC derp when Bernie loses primaries in every state in the
South.
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writes3000
(4,734 posts)I very much doubt he would use the same comparison today.
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(2,538 posts)To get ths stuff. That's a big fucking deal as a wise man One said
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(38,687 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:58 PM - Edit history (1)
Should Bernie Sanders Have Used the N-Word to Critique Racism in His Book?<snip>
"Independent Vermont Senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders campaign defended the candidates use of the uncensored n-word in a 1997 book, a defense that many people arent buying. Was it appropriate, and was Sanders critiquing racism, or excusing it?
The passage from Sanders 1997 book Outsider in the House was first surfaced by The Daily Caller itself a hotbed of white nationalism that was founded by Fox News host and white supremacy-denier Tucker Carlson and contained two uses of the uncensored n-word in quotation marks.
In the portion that the site quoted, Sanders wrote:
For a hundred years, the white workers of the South were the most exploited white workers in America. They were paid the lowest wages, they endured the worst working conditions, their housing was abysmal, their kids went to the most backward schools, and very few could send their children to college. But what did they have? They were given niggers to hate and look down on, niggers who couldnt vote, drink at their water fountains, use the same bathrooms, or sit up front in the buses or movie theaters.
Sanders campaign National Press Secretary Briahna Joy Gray defended the passage in a statement by saying that he was critiquing racism with a recounting and criticism of the Republican strategy that was infamously described by GOP strategist Lee Atwater in 1981, which involved using racial bigotry and epithets to demonize people of color.
That defense is factually ahistorical Sanders was describing the Jim Crow era, whereas the Southern Strategy was a political response to the ostensible end of legalized Jim Crow but it tracks philosophically."
https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/should-bernie-sanders-have-used-the-n-word-to-critique-racism-in-his-book/
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