Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and other top Democrats declare open season on Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg 😎

[Iamaartist]

Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi used to be Facebook's friends. Not anymore.

A day after Pelosi kicked off a new war of words, calling the social media giant's behavior “shameful” and “irresponsible," Biden ramped up the Democrats' open season on Facebook and its CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, during an interview with the New York Times on Friday.

"I've never been a fan of Facebook," the former vice president said. "I've never been a big Zuckerberg fan. I think he's a real problem."

A federal law that shields Facebook and other internet companies from being held liable for what’s posted on their platforms should be revoked, Biden also told the newspaper.

During her weekly press conference on Capitol Hill, House Speaker Pelosi had sharp words in response to a question about Facebook's power.

“I think what they have said very blatantly, very clearly is that they intend to be accomplices for misleading the American people with money from God knows where,” Pelosi said.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2020/01/19/facebook-nancy-pelosi-joe-biden-democrats-social-media/4519007002/







Go for it...I am not on Facebook or Twitter. From day one...


Go Dems and Joe..😎🎨

[Iliyah]

1. Good . .

I am so surprised about Zuckerberg.

[Iamaartist]

2. I havent been...

[brush]

6. Me too.You'd think a millennial would be more progressive.

We'll have to start saying—"OK, millennial."

[soldierant]

39. Nor I. But it seems

to be the one cyber area where lots of older people are involved - to "stay in touch." And it seems to be about the only thing they do do in the internet. A very narrow focus.

[RandySF]

3. Good

[Iamaartist]

5. K&R

[XRubicon]

4. FB is RW propaganda machine now

[Iamaartist]

7. I heard Twitter is getting bad too..But who knows I am not on it...

[ancianita]

13. It sure as hell is NOT. I'm on it every day, and the bots are pretty much waaay down this year.

Ads I see are not lying, either.

[XRubicon]

15. Yes it is

https://mashable.com/article/facebook-right-wing-social-network/

[ancianita]

18. Wait. A "top ten" browse? Out of hundreds and hundreds of news on FB pages? Most of which I

don't even see? But over 50 of which I get my range of info from?

And you think Mashable has the last word on whether Facebook is "sunk in Right Wing Bias"?? Oh NOES! We gots to kill da platform!!

THAT just proves that being right wing is no reason to break up any whole company.

MZ already said to Congress, no reason to break up the whole company. MZ already said to Congress, "Okay, regulate us."

But what Biden and Pelosi and others want to do is eliminate 230, which affects ALL media. They're getting the lying of the right, Putin's and Parscale's bots, and Perception Management drop-ins all mixed up with platform neutrality.

I myself don't see what Mashable maps because I control my threads with a range and depth of organizations that are reputable, snooze those that drift Right, UnLike those that are clearly fascist and corporate leaning, which HAS included the New York Times, among others.

I don't live in a bubble, but don't want Uncle Joe to tell my platform what I can't see, either.

[XRubicon]

20. Try to keep up

https://crooked.com/articles/facebook-right-wing-media/

https://consequenceofsound.net/2019/11/neil-young-quits-facebook-obvious-commitments-to-republicans/

[ancianita]

24. Both of which make fair, loud, sound points. I mean, the arguments are hard to dismiss. I get it.

Soft on InfoWars, hard on the PG-13 sites. I hate Infowars. I can see the bias.

And you can see, I'd hope, the value in the difference between my privacy and my security.

This government wants to conflate the two by continuing to use its back doors into Facebook.

Still Facebook and Twitter have helped law enforcement and the FBI immensely.

William Barr's Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen says 70% of 16 million child sexual abuse reports Facebook made last year originated from its Messenger service.

And Barr and his boyz want to stop Zuckerberg's implementing end-to-end encryption which, when applied, WON'T keep us and the children safe. After they were saying for years that it would from the RUSSIANS.

So after that, all these messages will no longer be visible to Facebook, and also less accessible to law enforcement. Rosen compares the millions of Facebook reports to the very limited number produced by Apple, which has provided end-to-end encryption for a few years now. Apple has forwarded a little over 200 tips over the last three years. As Rosen supposes, it can't simply be because no child abusers use iPhones.

NOW, William Barr's Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen wants, lately, to eavesdrop on millions of encrypted accounts. Everywhere. He doesn't care if encryption will result in far fewer FB reports, or if Facebook can't scan messages for child porn. He'll have his warrantless eavesdropping. And so will every foreign hacker.

Anyway, this good vs bad stuff can get lined up as a huge thread of its own.

But my main point is that maybe, just maybe, Biden and Pelosi are going for the wrong media "bad guys."

When the only people Pelosi and Biden ask for opinions are those who think undermining encryption is a necessity, they're going to come to the same conclusion.

Then here comes everybody -- the Russians, Chinese and my kids -- but hey, nail those lying ad agencies, save the children, and don't worry about all that foreign eavesdropping, folks, you're safe with us!

Trust me, the FBI has ALWAYS done okay without digital eavesdropping, or the likes of Barr and Trump around. Wonder who benefits when Zuckerberg and Twitter go down? You'll see.

Oh wait. You won't.

I might not keep up that much with tech, but I keep up better than most people, having two sons in IT, one here and one in Australia; having read books on this stuff; keeping up with tech news and issues.

But more than that, I keep up with WHO in this government even knows enough to have our best tech interests at heart.

[efhmc]

28. I agree.

[ancianita]

32. If anyone's interested in tech's role with us end users and THIS government, I'd suggest checking

out ...

Slashdot -- Like them on Facebook just to get tech news

Techdire -- Like them on FB to get the issues and tech's take on those issues

Ars Technica -- to get both of the above, with international takes on the issues, as well

Check out their site history, IT teams, or authors on wikipedia, and get a feel for their expertise, who they are in Silicon Valley. There are hundreds of old heads in Silicon Valley, too, and they're worth reading about.

Cuz the more you know, right?

[msongs]

8. should DU be liable for what,s posted here? nt

[ancianita]

11. Exactly. Like with Facebook, the benefits for law enforcement outweigh the problems

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that MZ KNOWS the company has.

He also knows that DC politicians are coming for Silicon Valley. And so he's been leaning in, or he wouldn't have shown up in Congress or written fairly self-critical op-eds about past mistakes.

[MichMan]

30. I dont think people fully understand the ramifications of what they propose

[brush]

42. Much is taken down here.

[Thekaspervote]

9. Boycott FB now!! There are lots of ways to stay in touch with family than this crap site

Think about it... you are fighting against yourself and a new dem prez by supporting this

[progressoid]

25. Speaker Pelosi just posted to FB 3 hours ago

https://www.facebook.com/NancyPelosi/

As did Joe Biden

https://www.facebook.com/joebiden/

They may not like it, but they still use it.

[kimbutgar]

10. The SF ballet had its opening last Thursday night

Wonder iif the speaker saw zuckerberg there?

[betsuni]

47. What does the San Francisco Ballet have to do with anything?

Wrong ballet company to try to stick the "elitist" label on. WTF.

[ancianita]

12. Biden never says what that federal law is that shields Facebook. It's 230 of the Telecom Act.

It's not very respectful to his supporters to not even come out clearly and cleanly with what he's talking about.

First of all, Biden admits upfront that the reason he thinks CDA 230 should be repealed is because of his personal dislike of Facebook's founder and CEO.

It's one thing to argue that the platform creates harms and therefore we need a different regulatory approach, but to start out by saying you just don't like the guy, and use that as the basis for punishing the entire internet is... wow ... something.

He wants to hurt a company whose worth he's not even familiar with. That's not fair to the rest of us who know how a company like Facebook grows and changes at massive scale. The stupid with the good. Cuz Silicon Valley's full of younguns.

Picking a political target that is important to a whole voting demographic isn't wise.

[smb]

14. "Grandpa" Joe Biden...

...makes Ted "Series Of Tubes" Stevens look like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Tim Berners-Lee all rolled into one.

[ancianita]

16. I hear you. But that has more impact on the tech industry if it's not handled fairly. For end users

as much as for emotional folks in politics.

[NNadir]

17. Yesterday I attended a lecture on internet racism that showed facebook offering Real Estate...

...advertising the option to advertise in such a way as to sell to "Whites only."

The lecture will be available as a video shortly. I briefly discussed the lecture here:
I saw a great lecture today on how technology encodes racism.

The screenshot I saw was a way to make an ad, while hiding the search tool from the viewer, a filter that broke the law.

[Iamaartist]

19. Very Interesting

Wow. Thank-you that information.

[NNadir]

22. I would expect the "Science on Saturday" lecture to be up on line next week.

It was a very powerful talk by a brilliant woman.

I didn't expect the topic to be what it was, but it blew me away.

The link to the videos (when posted) is in the OP of my post.

[Iamaartist]

33. Ok Thanks...

[ancianita]

21. I love Uncle Joe, but if he needs a media target he'd do better to go after HATE RADIO broadcasters.

Sure, he can clean up Facebook w/o eliminating the 230 section of the Telecom Act.

But Hate Radio has been what's eroding intelligence and promoting all the Right Wing Media IT possibly can -- including Breitbart and the Daily Caller.

Biden and Pelosi need to go after Sinclair stations and Channel One.

[brush]

41. Facebook is just as bad with vastly more reach to its lies and untruths.

[ancianita]

43. Can't agree. I use it too much, get too much great info to believe that, even after 13 years on it

Take the FBI's latest arrests of The Base across two countries -- they used it to help them find them and collect evidence of planning and intent. Just sayin'.

[brush]

45. Russian bots, untrue political info, ways to target specific groups such as whites...

or conservatives only, with a billion plus circulation, full of RW propaganda that helps repugs and trump...facebook is much more dangerous.

Any good it does is cancelled out by its refusal to remedy all that.

[Farmer-Rick]

23. Boycott Facebook.

You can survive just fine without it.

[Iamaartist]

35. We do and we have family around the country and Europe..and Vietnam...

[musicman65]

26. We got along fine

before facebook,so let us win this election the old way,who knows,it may just work

[Iamaartist]

29. Yes we did...

Texting... Skype ..links to where you can upload photos to family...or calling if can...

[efhmc]

27. He is and always has been a swarmy little creep and should be taken down along with

his very evil "invention".

[Iamaartist]

31. Never Did Trust Him...

How do you think he makes money, surely not from people talking on Facebook, selling ones data, ads..

[BadGimp]

34. This seems right, but it's wrong in so many ways.

Facebook is a medium, where they do not control the content.

Every time the government steps in and dictates political speech in a private/public space, we all lose.

We are early in these fights.

It will get a lot worse before it gets better IF it ever does.

[ancianita]

37. What I want to know is why no one's asking Yang about any of these issues. He could help

the Democrats come out on the fair end of a fight over platform use for us end users.

But no one asks him.

Why is that?

And why doesn't he just bring it up in the context of hybrid warfare, at least? If he wants votes, he can attract a lot by addressing Americans about the uses and abuses in the digital world, and about how the digital world's owners and managers can be profitable and still helpful to this country.

[Aussie105]

36. What Mark Zuckerberg did . . .

In order to make a buck and get his new idea off the ground, he made the platform open to anyone and anything.

In other words, he wound his moral compass and social responsibility dials back to zero. Success and dollars ruled his every thought.
(I see no evidence he actually possesses those characteristics, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.)

Freedom of speech is all very nice, but it's got to be used in a positive manner. Fake news, social engineering, negativity aren't anything positive or to be encouraged.

Time for those Mark needs to listen to, to remind him he has succeeded, his platform is a success, and he is rich. Now it's time to get those dials back into registering what is going on in the Facebook space.

Of course, Mark could just be a Trump personality clone with no redeeming personal characteristics at all.

[ancianita]

44. If he's fighting William Barr, who's even more evil, I gotta think twice about how he & Trump relate

[warmfeet]

38. Yep.

Facebook is not our friend. I am not on it, nor do I intend to be on it.

I'm on Democratic Underground. That is where I plan to be.

[Iamaartist]

40. I agree,although I have a website,,and couple places I sell my Artwork

This is my only social place...too

[Hekate]

46. Good. Very good.