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[DURHAM D]

PORTSMOUTH, N.H. — When the head of New Hampshire’s leading foundation for women arrived at a local Women’s March to find she would be sharing the stage with Sen. Bernie Sanders, she backed out.

At the same event, a prominent former state senator turned her back when he spoke.

After a week-long flare-up with Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Sanders sought to bolster his support among women on Saturday. But for a number of New Hampshire activists, he only made it worse.

“In the context of the last week's events, it was especially ironic it was Sen. Sanders speaking,” said former state Sen. Iris Estabrook, who has endorsed Sen. Amy Klobuchar.

She was at the event with a sign reading, “When women vote, women win.”

“That was the spirit of this thing, and it was unfortunate that the senator — and whoever gave him the platform — didn't respect the original purpose of the gathering,” she said. “I was disturbed enough that when the senator spoke I took a break from the rally and went elsewhere.”

Tanna Clews, CEO of the NH Foundation for Women, was slated to be the first speaker at Seacoast March for Women, held on the steps of the city’s North Church.

But when she arrived to see Sanders’ team setting up a sound system, it suddenly felt too much like a political rally instead of a march for women, she said in a social media posting.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/18/bernie-sanders-women-voters-100826

[OilemFirchen]

1. Not the first time, of course.

Women’s March organizers ‘sorry for hurt and confusion’ over Bernie Sanders’ speaking role at national convention

Leaders of the Women’s March apologized Saturday for the “hurt and confusion” among women who disagreed with the decision to have Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (I) speak on the opening night of its first national convention.

Critics had protested on social media that Sanders not only had run a negative campaign against Hillary Clinton in last year’s Democratic presidential primary, but also that he and his supporters continue to push the Democratic Party away from its base of women and people of color toward the concerns of the white, working class. Many women were simply disappointed that a man was tapped to kickoff a women’s convention, scheduled for Oct. 27-29 in Detroit.

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The group’s initial announcement on Thursday brought brought swift and stinging criticism. Feminist activist and author Roxane Gay posted a tweet calling it “absolutely a disgrace.”

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Stephanie Schriock, president of Emily’s List, which works to elect Democratic women who support abortion rights, said choosing Sanders to open the convention “sends the wrong message.” She said in a statement that Emily’s List had reached out to the organizers of the Women’s Convention “to offer our help to strengthen the program.”

[Bummfuzzle]

9. This is the third or fourth time Sanders has done this. Enough times to well know better.

What does it say about a man that does not care what women are saying enough to continue to ignore women when they make the statement they do not want Sanders to be the focus in our women marches? To totally ignore what women are saying for his ego to be center stage.

[ehrnst]

43. Indeed. Besides it can get awkward when women don't just "shut up and listen..."

to someone who expects compliance and enthusiastic applause.

https://rewire.news/article/2019/04/30/heres-how-bernie-sanders-missed-the-mark-at-she-the-people-forum/

Best to avoid those situations if at all possible, apparently.

[getagrip_already]

2. grabbing microphones seems to be a thing.... n/t

[George II]

39. At the first March for Life in DC, he showed up with his own megaphone, wandered off the stage....

....and began speaking even while the event was going on!

[PatrickforO]

3. On the one hand, it is very sad how a candidate with an agenda

that would arguably improves the lives of most Americans is being rejected. Because if the candidate is rejected, the media will pounce on it and say his platform is ALSO being rejected.

On the other hand, if Bernie actually said this to Warren, it was, well...foolish. To say the least.

For the record, I do not think Bernie is a misogynist or a racist, and I DO remember Clinton in 2008 saying Obama couldn't win, "He CAN'T win!" So, yeah, we have a ways to go with racism and with misogyny. We do.

[mr_lebowski]

4. "we have a ways to go with racism and with misogyny" True, but at the same time ...

We also have a ways to go with the problem of MISIDENTIFYING racism and misogyny ... where it doesn't actually exist.

[PatrickforO]

5. Indeed.

Because like you seem to be, I'm 100% certain that Hillary Clinton is not racist, and that Bernie Sanders is not misogynist.

[Bummfuzzle]

10. Three other times Sanders and his people have tried to wrestle ownership of women events and

all three of those times women reacted strongly and he was blocked from owning the women marches and conventions. This is not the first time it has been made clear the insensitivity of the man to insist on front stage for women events. He has well been taught this is offensive and does it anyway. Again.

What does that say about Sanders?

[58Sunliner]

13. +1,000

[mr_lebowski]

21. If Trump tried to horn in as keynote speaker at the Incel Convention and some complained

saying "Hey man, not cool, you have a hot wife, you're not one of us!'

Would you conclude that Trump did so because he hates Incels?

Just curious ...

[Bummfuzzle]

24. Women have been being told to take a back seat to male voice, ... forever.

How about. If a white person stood in front of an NCAAP rally and as the first speaker told them what the issues are for black people, do you think there would be resentment? If that white person had campaigned a couple years ago that black people were voting for Obama only because of the color of skin, then to cry that is not fair, do you think there would be a reaction?

Further. If a white person did this, and black people got angry, would that white person then tell them to settle down, be quiet, they do not have any reason to be voicing their thoughts, opinion, anger? You know, lower those eyes, hands in lap, sit quietly because that white person is par with MLK.

[mr_lebowski]

26. Did I say nobody has a right to complain/look askance? NO ...

I'm saying would you assume that the white person in your example ... must actually be a Racist?

We're arguing about two different things here I believe.

[Bummfuzzle]

28. I would look at the white persons history. I would consider the white person

has been taught many times not to step in front to speak for black people at a POC rally. I would certainly question why that white person continues to do it with black people refusing to participate at their own rally.

[mr_lebowski]

33. A person can just be generally rude and inconsiderate without actually being racist/misogynist, etc

I find that when you don't like someone to start with, it's really easy to perceive REALLY bad things about them, when objectively the evidence doesn't truly back up the more serious 'charge'.

I'll leave it at that.

[Bummfuzzle]

35. I have yet to define the man, yet here you are. That has become your argument.

[Bummfuzzle]

25. Kind of ironic you would compare women history with Incel's experience.

[mr_lebowski]

27. That's not what I did at all ... good day! (nt)

[PatrickforO]

31. Well, based on what I've seen since supporting him in '16, but not

this time around, I have seen a certain tone deafness.

The guy is probably really left brained. He is so focused on his issue, and so convinced that ending the wealth inequality, providing health care, his Wall Street transaction tax, and so on, that he really has no room for much else - such as those racism and sexism issues that are coming back to bite him.

See, I think this might be an aspect of white male privilege. He so firmly believes that his economic justice will make everyone's lives better, that he doesn't acknowledge the social justice pieces until he is forced, and then he does it poorly.

But, again, I firmly believe that he is neither racist nor sexist, and would probably address the social justice issues also. Probably. But he has no specific plan for it.

Problem is, I'm not particularly sure Biden has, either. And Buttigieg still has problems with credibility in the AA community.

Bottom line - whoever wins the nomination will be human, and by definition have some flaws. But when you consider who they will be facing up against, there is no question we'll have to go all out supporting whomever the Democratic nominee is.

[mr_lebowski]

34. Very very well articulated ... I agree 100% (nt)

[DURHAM D]

11. I am 100% certain that Bernie is a misogynist.

When someone shows you what they are believe them.

[mr_lebowski]

20. By your personal definition, I do not doubt that ...

But that's, like, your opinion, man.

[DURHAM D]

22. "man" Really? nt

[mr_lebowski]

23. That's a line from The Big Lebowski ...

Sry for the confusion

[mr_lebowski]

19. Indeed :)

To be more specific, these terms are actually more nebulous than some people like to admit.

[Demsrule86]

18. This brought back how angry I was at Sanders endorsement and campaigning for

Heath Mello and Tom Perriello. Perriello in particular was disturbing because we all knew that the governor of Virginia was going to be called upon to veto the 20 Week abortion restriction bill ...he vote for the Stupak amendment in the House...so I have serious reservations about Sen. Sanders and issues that are important to me.

[sheshe2]

30. +1

[Demsrule86]

38. Thank you Sheshe2...

[DownriverDem]

6. For the record

My problem with Bernie is that he has way too much baggage which will hurt him if he gets the nomination. The repubs are just waiting to unload if needed. Biden can win enough states to beat trump. Biden running with a strong progressive Democratic woman would be a winning ticket. For many of us that's all that matters. We can't blow this.

[Zeus69]

7. Who is your preference for VP if Biden is nominee?

[Gothmog]

8. WOW

Link to tweet

[Cha]

16. Good for her!

[oasis]

12. Women Power. It's here to stay.

[Cha]

14. KR!!

[peggysue2]

15. Tell me again that the argument between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders was a mere dustup

Nothing to see here move along,, yada, yada.

Not really.

We're living in a different era now, one in which women react strongly when they see another woman disparaged and/or told that their specific concerns are a mere misunderstanding. That dance move doesn't work anymore. Elizabeth Warren has called for a detente on this issue but the reaction at this New Hampshire women's meeting is indicative of one important fact: women do not forget or minimize slights. They don't sit down and shut up. And they don't take kindly at the polling booth or elsewhere to men who feel justified to walk in with their own message, rather than aligning with the group's original intent. Because what does that say?

My message is more important than yours.

If Bernie Sanders and his campaign don't know that, they don't know anything at all. Btw, the twitter barrage from Bernie supporters calling Elizabeth Warren a backstabbing snake has only made things worse.

Nor smart, Senator Sanders.

[sheshe2]

32. Well said, peggysue.

[Cha]

42. Thank you for your post, Peggysue!

[58Sunliner]

17. It's an event for women. Clueless and tone deaf.

[Eliot Rosewater]

29. I am willing to see both sides here, I sure hope Bernie supporters can see this side though.

Why was he speaking there if not invited?

Must have been invited, so in part lets blame that, in part.

Should Bernie not have gone? Well...

My point is lets see BOTH sides, meaning can his supporters understand the concern here?

[sheshe2]

36. Welp.

He isn't do himself any favors with the women vote.

[Bummfuzzle]

37. Which is the Democratic base. The primary he is running in.

[sheshe2]

40. Women and the Black vote...

These two blocks make up a majority of our Democratic base and Sanders is not doing well in either. Fact is he is not even trying.

Welcome to DU.

[betsuni]

41. K&R