Lara Ttump mocks Biden's stutter.

[RandySF]

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[thegoose]

1. Women for Trump???

What the hell is wrong with these people?

[IronLionZion]

10. Lots of white faces in that crowd

we saw them throw a qualified white woman under the bus in 2016 to support a bloviating steaming pile of excrement just to maintain their perceived privilege in society.

There's no question that Hillary was better for women.

[Ohiogal]

2. "Women for Trump"

That’s quite an oxymoron

[lunasun]

3. Mean Girls

[dewsgirl]

4. I truly hate these people, with the passion of a thousand suns.

[SKKY]

5. She mad 'cause she got stuck with the stupid Trump.

[Sloumeau]

6. Some people are scum. eom

[Pachamama]

7. She is a class act

[Tiggeroshii]

8. GOD WHAT A HORRIBLE POS

Much like her father.

[dsc]

9. why does anyone care what this home wrecking person thinks?

[cwydro]

26. Good question. Seems to be a thing here lately.

People quoting Fox, Limbaugh, this POS, Laura Ingraham.

I guess a lot of DUers watch Fox and /or follow these creeps.

[George II]

11. She's married to the one on the right, she clearly has issues with judgement:

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[Turin_C3PO]

13. Lol is that a real picture?

Surely they don’t really look that goofy. Lol.

[George II]

18. That's an old picture, apparently at a wedding (donnie dickhead's?)

[IronLionZion]

23. Lots of plastic surgery in that family

[thesquanderer]

12. She's not mocking his stutter. He doesn't stutter during the debates.

He *does* sometimes have a problem getting out a complete, flawless, coherent sentence. Some people blame that on his attempt to control his stutter, but that's only a theory. He's never said any such thing (and his speaking in debates in previous decades was better than it is today, and his status as someone who has had to overcome a stutter has not changed).

(These people are still nuts to be supporting Trump, but that's a different issue, I'm just commenting on the headline!)

[Cha]

19. Oh you tell us all about what lara trump is thinking.

[thesquanderer]

24. No, I'm telling you what she is SAYING. Not what she is THINKING.

She did not mention his stutter. She talked about his delivery during the debates. He's never stuttered at a debate (except one time where he did it intentionally).

[Drunken Irishman]

37. So?

Just because he doesn't stutter doesn't mean he doesn't struggle to make sure he doesn't stutter and that could lead him to choose different words or struggle to say a specific thing.

Your stretching to give Lara the benefit of the doubt on this is appalling. It's clear age is probably a big reason why he struggles a bit more with his stutter than, say, a decade ago. He's still sharp. He still can read from a teleprompter just fine. But it's clear a good amount of his struggle is making sure he uses the right words that don't force his stutter.

[thesquanderer]

38. She's mocking his speech, not his stutter.

The stutter may or may not be a big cause of his disjointed speaking. That's speculation, and irrelevant to anything she said in that video. I can only go by what she said, I can't know what's in her head.

[Drunken Irishman]

39. She's mocking his stutter.

Anyone who isn't either tainted by the awfulness of being a horrible human being (as is the case with Lara) or partisanship (as is the case with you) could clearly see she's mocking his speech pattern, knowing that Biden, even today, struggles with his stutter, even if he doesn't stutter outright. It doesn't take someone with the least bit of understanding of the context of the situation to see what Lara was doing. But don't take my word for it. Take the word of Captain Sullenberger, who, too struggled with a stutter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/18/opinion/sully-biden-stutter-lara-trump.html

But hey - you do you. You sound exactly like the people who claimed Trump wasn't mocking that disabled reporter.

[thesquanderer]

40. Why can't you take a crappy statement at face value, instead of trying to make it crappier?

We agree "she's mocking his speech pattern" - we just don't know if stuttering was anywhere in her mind. We're not mind-readers. Only she knows if she meant more than what her actual words said.

The fact is, if Biden did NOT have a stuttering issue, but he spoke the way he spoke, that could have generated the EXACT same comment from Lara Trump. Last year, people on this very forum were commenting on how he has been speaking, before they were aware that it could be related to stuttering. In fact, you yourself was the person who I think first tried to make folks here aware of it. A quick search shows that the very first post about his stuttering was probably this one:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287233414

and as you allude to there, many people had been criticizing his speech with no knowledge of the possible stuttering foundation of it.

And even you said, "Biden's gaffes are likely an extension of his stutter...Not all, of course, but when he clearly gets tongue-tied...it's likely due to his stutter." Note the appropriate use of the word "likely" as opposed to "certainly." We are not speech pathologists, and even if we were, we have not personally examined him. It is a theory, not absolute fact. And even assuming his stutter is a factor, we don't know if it accounts for 10% of what we're hearing or 90% of it. But that's besides the point.

The point is, if the same comments can be made whether you know he stuttered or not--as Lara Trump's could--then you can't assume the comments are consciously about his history with stuttering. This is not about defending someone or being partisan, it's about logic and about what is true on its face vs. what is being assumed.

[Drunken Irishman]

41. Because she's mocking Biden's stutter.

The fact you continue to defend this is appalling. It's clear, to anyone who knows the context of Joe Biden's history of stuttering, that she was mocking the way he speaks, which ties back to his stutter. Why do you continue to ignore this? It's pretty sad the lengths you'll go to defend Lara Fucking Trump.

But if that's your line in the sand, so be it. I would have expected more from someone on a website of liberals but I guess I'm wrong.

The problem with your statement, and your refusal to admit the wrong here, is that you're giving justification to mocking Joe Biden for something that absolutely, positively is tied to his stuttering problem. You can dismiss it but it only shows you as cold, and calculating as that awful witch Lara Trump. Do better.

[thesquanderer]

42. You are misreading my posts.

I am no supporter of any Trump, Lara or other. I am just saying that asserting that the statement was intended as mocking stuttering is conjecture. There's no doubt that she's mocking, we only disagree about our certainty over exactly what it is she is mocking.

Some time in the past 5 months, you've changed from saying that Biden's verbal stumbles were "likely" caused by his stutters to "absolutely, positively."What changed your mind? And do you know whether Lara Trump shares that view? If you're not sure, then taking her clear mocking of his speech and deciding she was certainly aiming to specifically mock his stutter is strictly assumption.

And I'd appreciate if you would leave the personal attacks out of your messages. I'm glad to discuss differing perspectives on a topic. I don't need to be told I'm "tainted with partisanship" or that I sound "exactly like" Trump supporters, "cold and calculating," etc. You can make your points without making it personal, as we are supposed to do here.

[thesquanderer]

43. p.s. -- about my "partisanship"...

I just did a quick search and found 10+ threads where I posted in defense of Biden (e.g. thinking an attack on him was unfair), even though he is not my choice for the nomination. My comments reflect what appear to be the facts, without an agenda.

[George II]

22. He's spoken about his stuttering many times, but doesn't use it as a crutch at public appearances...

...or debates. He's worked with organizations who help those who stutter, and encourages them.

https://www.stutteringhelp.org/content/joe-biden

Before his rise in politics, though, Biden dealt with stuttering throughout his childhood and into his twenties. According to a February 2015 article from CNN, the issue of stuttering came up recently during a stop at a coffee shop in Des Moines, when Biden spoke with a mother about her daughter's experience in Head Start, the government program to provide early education and nutrition services for low-income Americans.

“She has a speech problem... she likes to leave off the beginning part of words...Through Head Start she's been able to learn how to talk to us, how to communicate, how to be civil,” the mother said, noting that her daughter received speech therapy at Drake. At that point, Biden acknowledged his own childhood struggle with stuttering, as he has done publicly many times.

Vice President Biden spoke about how difficult it was to overcome his stutter in a 2010 appearance on ABC's The View. In 2011, he wrote an essay for People Magazine on his experience:

“I never had professional therapy, but a couple of nuns taught me to put a cadence to my speaking, and that's why I spent so much time reading poetry – Emerson and Yeats,” Biden wrote. “But even in my small, boys' prep school, I got nailed in Latin class with the nickname Joe Impedimenta. You get so desperate, you're so embarrassed.”

Vice President Biden is an inspiration to those who stutter, proving that struggling with stuttering does not have to hinder your personal success.

At a 25th anniversary gala for The Lab School of Washington, Biden told the audience, “God’s gift to me was my stuttering,” he said. But he also warned, “Don’t let your learning disability define you.”

As a child, Biden worked on relieving his stuttering by reciting poetry in front of the mirror while monitoring his facial reactions. Overcoming the disability and the outcast status it gave him made him that much stronger and more empathetic later in life, he noted.

“Time and time again, my parents taught me that being different is no barrier to success,” Biden said. “And the measure of a man isn’t how often he is knocked down but how quickly he gets up.”

In May 2015, Vice President Biden sent a letter to the Stuttering Foundation of America in celebration of the Foundation’s annual Lotos Club Gala. He offered up some valuable advice to those struggling with stuttering:

“If I could share one piece of advice with all of those struggling with a stutter, it would be this: When you commit yourself to a goal and when you persevere in the face of struggle, you will discover new strengths and skills to help you overcome not only this challenge, but future life challenges as well. I promise you – you have nothing to be ashamed of, and you have every reason to be proud.”

[thesquanderer]

25. All that is true. Still, most people don't know about it. Nor would I expect them to.

It does not typically come up in interviews or stories about him. As you said, he doesn't use it as a crutch.

[Drunken Irishman]

36. Glad you give Lara Trump the benefit of the doubt.

It's clear when Biden talks, he has to focus on making sure the words come out easily.

It's also likely more pronounced because of his age. But go on and continue to give Lara Trump the benefit of the doubt.

[ProfessorPlum]

14. Does she really want us to compare Biden's speech with Orange Foolius?

Mr. "Shtates"?

Mr. "Oringes"?

[TheCowsCameHome]

15. She should be asking "Eric, can you get it out?"

[IronLionZion]

16. It's a dangerous myth that Trumpette women will wise up and switch their vote

Anyone who would switch already has. We need to accept the reality that Trumpette women can be just as bad as Trumpster men and focus on increasing turnout from our side instead of pandering to these idiots.

Any 2016 Trump voting woman who claims she's still undecided for 2020 is definitely voting for Trump and doesn't want to admit it.

[Turin_C3PO]

20. Our task is

to win back the voters who voted Obama twice but then turned around and voted for Trump. If we get them back, we’ll win in a landslide.

[totodeinhere]

21. I understand that but I remember some time back one of the broadcast networks

was interviewing people who said they voted for Trump in 2016 who now say they regret that vote and won't vote for him again. Sorry but I can't find a link but that definitely happened. Of course whether or not they were really telling the truth I don't know.

[totodeinhere]

17. And this is what we will get if Joe gets the nomination.

Maybe as a Bernie supporter I am biased, but to me Joe doesn't seem to be on top of his game anymore during the debates. And yes he does trip over his words too much.

But please do not take this as a defense of Ms. Trump because it is not.

[handmade34]

28. not a defense or support of anyone... but this is what

we get if Bernie is the candidate....



https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=republican+talking+bad+about++socialism+youtube&view=detail&mid=37B99E663255A56AF80237B99E663255A56AF802&FORM=VIRE

[totodeinhere]

30. I don't think that calling candidates the "S" word is going to fly anymore.

They have been beating that dead horse for a long time now but times are changing. And no matter who gets the nomination, Joe or Bernie or anyone else, they will have plenty of slurs, innuendos and attacks waiting for her or him.

[handmade34]

31. pretty sure it will still fly with many...

...first off, I have called myself a socialist for decades... my ideology lines up closer to Bernie's than Biden's... but I am old, lived a long life and have seen and studied many things... Bernie has represented me and my state well for decades

Hillary would have won except for Republican dirty deeds, a couple of third party candidates that refused to admit they were wrong and "Bernie Bros" who were too idealist to see the real world...

many voters, such as trump supporters, don't understand history, don't understand why they are struggling (the trump supporters that aren't in the 10-1%) the trump supporters haven't been out and about (out of their bubble- emotionally even if physically) enough to see the big world and probably don't care to... they have been taught to be fearful of anything they don't understand... I don't trust that enough of them have 'seen the light'

I certainly will vote for any Democrat on the ballot but with all my being, I do not believe that Bernie will win or will be a good President if he does





recent study/poll...

The Pew Research Center published a poll in June that found that 42 percent of Americans have a positive view of socialism and 55 percent have a negative impression. 65 percent of respondents expressed a positive view of capitalism, while 33 percent were either somewhat or very negative.
This week, Pew published new data exploring the ideas that inform those views.
Of those who dislike socialism, 19 percent said it makes "people too reliant on the government for support" and "undercuts people's initiative and work ethic." As one 53-year-old man put it: "I believe in individual freedoms and choice. Socialism kills incentives for people to innovate and climb the ladder of success." A 38-year-old woman told the pollsters that capitalism "gives people freedom to profit from their own labor….It has risen more people out of poverty and gives people the opportunity to change their social standing with hard work and ingenuity."

Meanwhile, 18 percent said socialism has "failed historically," citing Venezuela and Russia as prime examples. A decent-sized portion of the respondents—17 percent—claimed "it is not consistent with democracy in the United States or is simply not right for the U.S."

[totodeinhere]

32. Thanks for the long and thoughtful reply.

We are both on the same side and we only have a slight difference of opinion on which candidate should be our nominee.

[sdfernando]

33. I am undecided right now but have pledged to support the Democratic Candidate no matter who it is.

But I have noticed that his orange lardship has started referring to Bernie as a Communist more and more. No longer Socialist but Communist. Like it or not being labeled a Communist will be worst than being called Socialist. Look for this to take hold among the rest of the rethuglicans.

[Blue_true]

35. It killed Labour in Great Britain.

The S word still holds a lot of negativity in capitalist based economies.

[samnsara]

27. In all the years I have seen/heard him I NEVER knew he had a stutter nor did I hear..

...any speech impediment.

[RandySF]

29. He overcame it as a child.

[Blue_true]

34. Is Lara the former wife or is she married to Eric?

They all look alike (courtesy of peroxide), so I get mixed up.