Warren to Sanders: 'I Think You Just Called Me a Liar on National TV'

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders’s post-debate exchange on Tuesday night certainly looked tense, judging from Warren’s decision not to shake Bernie’s hand as the other candidates good-gamed around them. According to audio released by CNN on Wednesday night, the conversation was as strained as it looked. Responding to Sanders’s onstage denial of a report that he told Warren in private that a woman could not defeat Trump in 2020, Warren called him out:

Warren: I think you called me a liar on national TV.

Sanders: What?

Warren: I think you called me a liar on national TV.

Sanders: You know, let’s not do it right now. If you want to have that discussion, we’ll have that discussion.

Warren: Alright.

Sanders: You called me a liar. You told me — all right, let’s not do it now.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/new-details-emerge-on-tense-sanders-warren-moment.html

[snowybirdie]

1. Much ado

about nothing.

[Raven123]

2. Changed from Warren to Undecided

This whole dust-up is just plain demoralizing. Both candidates should step, sit down, have a beer and do a reality check.

As I write this MsNBC is asking, “did they know the mic was on?”
Just plain ridiculous

END THE DISTRACTION

[George II]

3. The funny thing is he is the one that said "let's not do it now...we'll have that discussion"...

She said "alright"

Then he added after she said that "You called me a liar. You told me — all right, let’s not do it now." turned and walked away.

And he treated Steyer like crap, too. Steyer said "I just want to say hi". Sanders grunted "yeah good, okay" and walked away.

Hey Bernie, you could't say hi back or SMILE?

[dubyadiprecession]

5. Well at least Bernie didn't smack at people hands, like the pope.

[George II]

6. The Pope sincerely apologized. Has Sanders EVER sincerely apologized for anything?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

8. So it's bad that he put himself in check and realized they had agreed to do it later?

I don't understand. They are/were clearly both emotional about what was/is happening. I think they both handled themselves well in that exchange (though I do feel bad for Steyer in all that—but I understand that Sanders was dealing with other things).

[George II]

9. He said they should talk later. She agreed ("alright") then he got his final dig in and walked away.

Walked away after being rude to Steyer, too.

[BannonsLiver]

10. Yeah poor Steyer

I felt bad for the guy. Bernie was so rude to him which wasn’t surprising. I think Bernie was shaken by what had just happened. He looked rattled.

[PatrickforO]

4. That makes me like Warren even better.

She hit that one head-on, and that's what we need. Someone with the guts to hit issues head-on.

I thought the progressives, Steyer, Warren and Sanders, really presented the case well, in spite of the generally lame questions the spouted forth from the mouths of the talking heads.

Des Moines is an 'insurance town' indeed. That's why we have a massive federally funded workforce development system with programming that can provide tuition assistance AND unemployment payments for up to two years for people whose livelihood is affected by government policy.

Not only that, but opponents of universal healthcare even in our own party are using the all or nothing fallacy. Medicare for all would destroy the health insurance sector. It would put all healthcare providers out of work.

No, it wouldn't. First of all, even if we had a national health system, there would still be private insurers that sold supplemental policies. Yes, employment in that industry would experience some cuts, and we would have to have the same dual-pronged strategy (job training to get people ready for employment in new industries AND a local economic development strategies designed to bring new businesses into regions where the old industries are dying out). Businesses that offer the same kinds of jobs as those for which the affected workers are being trained.

That isn't happening very well in many regions around the US, but there are some shining examples of where this approach is working. Klobuchar, who is somewhat of a wonk, alluded to this in one of her answers - saying our training system needed to produce business-relevant output (graduates).

As to the actual employment in direct health and medical insurance carriers, we're looking at around 402,000 people nationally working in the industry.

As to the ripple effect (using Input-Output analysis), the job multiplier, nationally, in this industry is 13.56. In other words, the economic activity generated by each worker in direct health and medical insurance supports an addition 12.56 direct, indirect and induced jobs.

So, yes, a change in policy would have a ripple effect. For instance, while the doctors, nurses, custodial staff, cooks and serving workers, allied health professionals and social workers would not experience much upheaval at all, hospitals and physicians offices would shed debt collection staff, and companies that collect medical debt (in the 56 NAICS category) would lose a lot of business. Also, all of the clerical staff that bear up under the onerous task of completing insurance paperwork to justify treatment for patients would be affected.

Yes, people would in fact lose jobs. Now, if we phased in a national system over a number of years, this would be somewhat alleviated, but we would face the same thing we're facing with our coal miners and our oil and gas people. As the economy changes, we have to put programming in place to help people re-tool themselves for new opportunity at wages near or above what they were earning.

This is why this whole media-fed 'debate' is so spurious. The reality is that a president like Warren (GO Elizabeth!!!) may WANT to impose a Medicare system for all Americans, but will face the co-equal House of Representatives and the co-equal Senate, and there will have to be vigorous debate and the laws themselves will be drafted, in both House and Senate. Then, when those bodies vote to approve that legislation, the Senate and House versions will have to be combined through more negotiation, and then the final legislation will cross Warren's (hopefully!!!) desk for her signature, which will put it into law.

However, we aren't through - the US Congress does in fact hold the purse strings, so they have to appropriate money each year. And, if it is made an entitlement as Bernie and Elizabeth want, then something else will have to go, probably the giant, bloated military budget will have to be cut AND taxes will have to be raised substantially.

Unfortunately for us here in this post Citizens United capitalist utopia, MILLIONS of dollars will be lined up against ANY reform EVERY step of the way. And, shills in Congress for these capital interests will purposely sabotage the law (as the GOP has done to the ACA) so it doesn't work as planned. Because then of course, they can have other shills in their noise machine, like Limbaugh, poison the dialog.

Sigh. But we STILL must fight the good fight and we cannot give up. The worm WILL turn.

[LittleGirl]

7. You should really make that an OP

Excellent summary of what needs to happen.