Brian williaams just played the cnn bernie clip......

[getagrip_already]

It's in the wild. And most of the networks are playing it.

No matter how you feel about it, it's escaped.

[Cha]

1. Good.. Team Warren here for

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her calling out BS.

[sheshe2]

17. Thank you!

[Sloumeau]

23. Yep, point goes to Team Warren on this one. :) eom

[Tipperary]

37. Absolutely!

Yuck, the way he responded to her, reminded me of a father talking down to a little girl. That exchange spoke volumes.

[booley]

2. not sure which video that is

Is it the one where Sanders point blank says he didn't' say a woman could not become President, explained why, and then CNN acted as if he hadn't' said any fo that and the allegation had been proven true when it hadn't? And Everyone in the room laughed at the absurdity of it.

I remember this video from 1988 It was Cspan however.

[mvd]

5. I personally find it hard to believe that Bernie..

directly said a woman can’t win. Maybe he said something that was misinterpreted by Warren. The debate was cordial, so it’s a shame this happened. Hope they put it behind them.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

21. Why not take it up w/ Bernie when he sposedly said what he said?! That's what I don't understand.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

9. True booley, but dontcha know? Never let facts get in the way of a good Bernie bashing!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Wabbajack_]

11. Not sure why he would want to her to be VP

After this

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

19. There's no greater gift than that of forgiveness... I think it was a simple misunderstanding

between two decent, classy people who will soon come to realize that it's absolutely critical to put the needs and desires of the working class and poor folks of this country ahead of their own political ambitions and, thus, join together in promoting their shared beliefs and common progressive vision.

I truly see that happening and the BOTH of them coming out of this minor dust-up in a STRONGER position as a result.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[MrsCoffee]

52. You don't have to worry about that.

Sanders is not going to get close to the nomination. We are going to have to listen to how it’s all rigged against him again as he is losing, but I can live with that.

[ritapria]

16. You have to turn logic on it's hind quarters

to believe Warren's side of the story ….He asked Warren to run for President in 2015 .. Yet we are asked to buy the daft notion that Bernie doesn't believe a woman can get elected President of the United States … Warren and her camp's attempts to portray Bernie as a sexist is a betrayal of the highest order, not just to Berne Sanders, but the entire Progressive Movement he leads ….My religious faith demands that I must forgive , but I shall not forget ….Millions of Progressive Activists will not forget...… Bernie did not deserve this political kneecapping ...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

20. I agree with you on this rita, especially re forgiveness, as mentioned in my post just above yours

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[delisen]

41. I believe the reference was specifically about 2020.

Many people have voiced similar concerns about 2020.

I don't happen to agree with those people.

I find Warren's statement entirely believable.

I personally do not consider any voters progressive who are not prioritizing parity for women in all political offices.

Our history demonstrates tat the needs and rights of women and children have never been sufficiently addressed by having a preponderance of offices held by males, and our entire culture continues to be damaged by the failure to prioritize equality.

[unitedwethrive]

14. Most people are smart enough to realize that a progressive politician knows the 'right' thing

to say when in front of the cameras. I don't know who to believe now, but having this video doesn't prove anything about what happened between the two of them last year.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

22. Fair statement unitedwethrive... respect! (Great name you have BTW... so true!)

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Submariner]

3. Well it's important to get that stuff out on the news

We're all waiting to lap it up.

Don't bother discussing Trump putting a hit out on one of his own ambassadors.

It's more fun to talk about an eavesdrop picked up on a mic about who fibbed about who. They all remind me of the William Hurt character in Broadcast news. Dumb shits with great hair and no brains.

[blm]

6. ✔️

[madaboutharry]

4. Bernie hasn't handled this controversy well.

That exchange makes him look arrogant and dismissive, which is never a good look when running for the presidency.

That said, this whole thing is so unimportant. It should have stopped being a story yesterday.

[Skittles]

7. actually, neither one of them has

[karynnj]

54. I agree

Now, both seem to believe 100% in their version of what happened. In fact, both of them might think they are being honest about what they are saying. Some have suggested that Sanders may have been speaking of the difficulty of a woman facing Trump - referencing how he treated Hillary Clinton. (Note that it is not at all clear that Trump would not treat a man in an equally despicable way.)

Many of us have had conversations with someone where we went away hurt at something said that we did not respond to clearly at the time. I do believe that something was said. It would have been so much better had Warren - any time after the conversation - had a private conversation with Bernie to tell him how offended she was by his comment. At which point, I would assume that Sanders would have told her he never meant that a woman could not win the Presidency. (Even better, that a woman could beat Trump.) This never should have become a public spat.

Before the debate, the word was that BOTH wanted to deescalate this. What surprises me is that knowing this would be asked, the two campaigns and the candidates could have scripted how to respond when either was asked in a way that called neither a liar and which left both looking good.

Sanders went first - so he could have set the tone better than he did. I suspect the problem and why BOTH of them are angry is that both are people who pride themselves on honesty and it is their honesty that is being publicly challenged. Imagine Sanders would have said he remembered what he said differently and that he thought she could win the Presidency - as could any (many) of the Democrats running. (I think he has said the latter - I know other candidates have.) This would have enabled Warren to back off - probably by thanking him and possibly adding that she was glad that the misunderstanding that had troubled her was resolved.

[elleng]

12. YES, should have stopped being a story yesterday.

Neither looked arrogant or dismissive, imo, and I do have an opinion about who handled it better which I won't share.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

24. True dat!! Which makes you wonder the motives of those who keep pushing the story.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[elleng]

30. sure do.

[stopdiggin]

32. my thought as well. support who you want. believe who, and what, you wish.

But take your position and walk away! This tempest in a teapot is entering trolling domain at this point. You are not going to be changing any minds in either camp -- tonight, tomorrow, or (god help us) continuing on into next week. There is no profit in hammering away at this.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

46. SO TRUE stopdiggin. Unfortunately, hammering away at this is a "NON-profit" DIS-organization...

it's called "DIVISIVENESS"!!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[sheshe2]

8. K. R.

[elleng]

10. As suggested by several here,

MISUNDERSTANDINGS.

Everyone SHUT UP.

[Maru Kitteh]

18. Pretty sure women have been told to shut up long enough already.

[Cha]

28. Exactly.. Elizabeth is allowed to speak out.

I can

[elleng]

29. GOOD, keep tearing down our candidates,

JUST what repugs and putin want.

I'm a woman, and I'm smart enough to know when to drop a subject.

[Maru Kitteh]

40. Fortunately, like Warren, I REJECT misogynistic female conditioning to be "good"

Doesn't matter what side they come at you from, it's the same finger-wagging bullshit all wrapped up in a new stan-base snake emoji swarm. They always have some *very good reason for telling women to SHUT UP and BE QUIET.

Times up. Fuck the idea that any woman should SHUT UP and take the hit just so some man can benefit from her silence. Fuck the patriarchy, even when it hides behind skirts.



‘Appallingly Sexist’: Bernie Sanders Supporters Are Blanketing Elizabeth Warren’s Tweets With Snake Emojis

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

55. I hear ya ellen. So ask yourself, why do some keep doin that knowing it only helps Rethugz & Putin?

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[yardwork]

51. That's exactly why many of us aren't letting this go.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

47. So right ellen! But where Bernie bashin is concerned, that requires launchin even MORE grenades...

collateral damage, like party unity, BE DAMNED!! That ONLY helps Dolt45 & Putin... indeed, it could very well cost us the election!!!

We should be UNITING, not fighting, among ourselves!! Thanks for your efforts in that regard.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[BannonsLiver]

50. ...

[BannonsLiver]

13. I thought Bernie displayed something pretty obvious sexism

He mansplained when it was okay and when it was not ok for a woman to air her grievance with him. I’m not sure who the fuck he thought he was talking to.

[SunSeeker]

31. THIS

[R B Garr]

35. Yes! Then he sends his wife out to tell everyone

to pipe down. WTH!

[Tipperary]

38. EXACTLY what I saw.

Thank you.

[Lexblues]

15. I believe Bernie said it to dissuade Warren from running

It was his sly way of planting doubt in her head and hoping she would decide against running against him.

[R B Garr]

36. Yes! Warren was a threat to him. nt

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

26. color me clueless but

is there supposed to be an issue with that clip? I don't get it...…………..

[RandySF]

27. Either he said it, someone is lying, or someone'e memory is slipping.

[YOHABLO]

33. It's not important. This is tabloid fodder. Move along. I would voter for either one.

[Betty88]

34. Dosent matter to me I'll vote for either one

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

48. ME TOO!! UNITE, DON'T FIGHT!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Gothmog]

39. Here is the clip with audio

Link to tweet

[Renew Deal]

44. Thanks

Steyer is being a fanboy.

[mtmirror]

42. This drama only does a disservice to Democrats in general,

the progressive cause, and the goal of unity around an eventual nominee. If either of them win now, how can we expect people to unite around them? People should not be celebrating this schoolyard drama.

[Tarheel_Dem]

43. Either he said it, or he didn't. Someone's either lying, or someone's memory is questionable.

And who's "celebrating"?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

49. SO TRUE! The celebration ITSELF creates disunity & these revelers surely know...

this ONLY helps Dolt45 & his pal Putin!! And yet it goes on and on, thread after thread, post after post, which makes one wonder... why? Seems a wee bit short-sighted.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[MrsCoffee]

53. After he and his campaign lied, tried to claim a campaign memo was fake, then admitted

that it was real and that they did indeed send out negative talking points about Warren.. Flat out lied that it was a rogue employee, then admitted to the campaign doing it early on, now say they’ve stopped.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287424520

I will take Elizabeth’s word on this one.

[still_one]

56. If nothing else, the reason why Warren is credible on this is because he knew she was the biggest

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threat to him for the nomination among progressives.

The argument some are making is that from Sanders past he has expressed positive views regarding a woman being president.

That argument does not hold water though. There are plenty of examples where someone says one thing, and actually has a different perspective.

The Me Too movement exposed a lot of examples of this

[dawg day]

57. This is exactly why I think these debates are counter-productive-

The Dems give thoughtful evidence for their proposed policies, point out small differences between them as if they're huge, and "get" each other on something from the past, and three of them have very long pasts to mine! And the media then goes on a 3-day tear about how Sanders and Warren didn't shake hands.

Meanwhile Trump is going along refusing to do press conferences or answer questions or testify under oath or turn over documents or let his people testify, and screeching insult and insanity in rallies to his base which are not reported honestly ("The president gave a wide-ranging speech in Milwaukee which addressed energy, foreign policy, and immigration&quot .

So on the very day that it's revealed that Trump's minions were stalking and perhaps discussing kidnapping or worse an ambassador, and that Trump authorized his personal nutso attorney to hold another country's security hostage unless they pretended to investigate his opponent, even MSNBC is spending much of their airtime on the "Sanders/Warren feud! Democrats in disarray!"

Stop the debates. Rethink the idea that the undecided voters and the media are interested in thoughtful policy discussions. Every debate so far has ended up generated these stupid "we hate each other" stories that lose votes.... and makes the problem seem Dem disarray rather than Trump insanity.