How a Sanders debate-watch party reacted to Warren's attacks

[RandySF]

DES MOINES — They clapped and cheered for Sen. Elizabeth Warren as if she was their chosen candidate, until they didn’t.

At a watch party for supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders in Des Moines on Tuesday, the tide turned halfway through the debate when Warren (D-Mass.) was asked about the public feud that has dominated the campaign in the last 48 hours between her and Sanders (I-Vt.) over her claims that he told her in a private conversation last year that a female candidate couldn’t win the presidency.

The Sanders watch party, held in a private event space in downtown Des Moines, went silent as the dispute came up. Supporters cheered as Sanders denied saying that a woman couldn’t win, but when Warren doubled down, many in the room gasped in shock, stunned at the collapse of what they viewed an unspoken alliance between the two most liberal candidates in the race.

After that, many supporters groaned or even booed when Warren’s face popped up on the television screen for the rest of the night — an even more hostile reaction than the one given to other candidates such as former vice president Joe Biden and former South Bend, Ind., mayor Pete Buttigieg, candidates that are very unpopular in Bernie world.

“I just honestly can’t believe it,” said Renee Hessing, a 30-year-old substitute teacher from Des Moines. She caucused for Sanders in 2016 and is strongly supporting his candidacy again but had a soft spot for Warren, hopeful that at least one of the liberal candidates in the race could succeed.
Even though it was a “pipe dream,” she had dreamed of a possible Sanders-Warren ticket. “I love them both,” she said.

But Warren’s decision to double down on her claim was, in Hessing’s view, a “total misstep,” one she said would probably prove damaging among legions of Sanders supporters, who would see her action as a betrayal. The way Warren handled it, she said, seemed designed to prolong the drama. “It’s like a fight you have with your boyfriend, and you’re like, ‘I don’t want to talk about it anymore’ right after you say something offensive, and it just doesn’t stop,” she said. “The fight gets worse.”




https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/15/how-sanders-debate-watch-party-reacted-warrens-attacks/

[lees1975]

1. That's too bad.

Come on, folks, get a grip. Do you want to see Donald Trump win a second term? The Republican social media ads are already wooing Bernie supporters. I mean, really, this isn't rocket science. Take your football, go home, don't vote and you won't have to worry about ever participating in another election because there won't be any more if that orange headed buffoon gets back in there.

[roody]

3. It's too bad that the Warren campaign

has resorted to dirty tricks. I expected better of her.

[LeftTurn3623]

11. I will you

This is pretty low for Warren and I always loved her.

First the BS wine cellar claim on Pete and now this. I’m losing respect for Warren and I don’t want to.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

18. I STILL love her, but this only aids the tRumpster Fire as do those content to stoke the controversy

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Hortensis]

34. Imo, it helps Warren by partially correcting a serious misconception.

Reality is that those who like Sanders and Warren would almost all vote for Sanders.

Two other realities are
* Sanders repels a significant majority of voters.
* The electorate doesn't need two Sanders, they need The Real Elizabeth Warren as a very different choice.

The upshot is that Warren and the voters have been injured by her portrayal as like Sanders, politically and ideologically, when she's actually very, very different.

Side note: These people set themselves up. It's great to be involved, not so much to have no real idea who their candidates are and what they believe. (AND to be able to infer their relationship a bit more realistically from that.)

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/elizabeth_warren/412542

Sanders is that gray dot on the left margin. Warren is within the large mainstream middle who work together and is a genuine member of the leadership, marked for continued rise to top leadership if she remains in the senate.

[fallout87]

14. And now the post debate confrontation

is looking awfully staged (by her) to me. She's trying to propel herself by this last minute grenade she threw in the ring.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. Yes and I don't see how her strategy had any hope of working... disappointing to say the least.

And I say that as a HUGE Warren fan.

BTW, I thought your candidate debated well last night, perhaps, his best performance to date.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[ehrnst]

30. Elizabeth owned that debate according to 538

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/democratic-debate-january-poll/

[ehrnst]

22. She's honest, and she's being an adult about this kerfuffle.

Honesty is an important trait in a politician.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/

https://www.politifact.com/vermont/statements/2019/dec/20/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-wrong-twice-claim-about-defense-bud/

https://www.politifact.com/health-check/statements/2019/sep/13/bernie-sanders/do-50-million-people-really-lose-health-coverage-e/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jul/12/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-said-huge-percentage-walmart-worker/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jul/22/bernie-sanders/do-studies-show-middle-class-families-would-save-3/

https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/feb/20/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-repeats-false-claim-about-backgroun/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/18/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-wrong-voter-turnout-hit-20-year-low/

[at140]

27. IMHO Warren is an un-corruptible candidate

I have faith she will carry on her agenda which she has repeatedly declared and will not soft-evolve.
She is exactly what this country needs after 4 years of Trumpism.

[ehrnst]

31. +1000.

She has the ability to learn from her mistakes, and doesn't double down on them. She has the intellectual agility to look at new data, and change her mind if the data show something new. She doesn't equate a rigidity in ideas with "ethics," which some use to avoid having to stay informed on topics. or change their stump speech any more than one word, like "millionaires."

She is confident enough to say that she's not informed enough about a question to comment on it, unlike some other candidates, so she'll make fewer gaffes.

[boomer_wv]

2. This is something to see.

The progressive wing of the party is completely fractured right now. They are kind of being forced to decide which team they are going to be on.

This is going to be very interesting in the caucus. There are going to be districts where either Warren or Sanders don't hit 15% and will be forced to join another group. Before they would probably have largely, not entirely, gained the others supporters. Now, I don't think so. Strong Bernie voters now that have to pick another candidate might pic Biden out of spite for Warren, or Warren supporters might go to Pete instead, etc.

[roody]

4. I predict that you underestimate

Bernie's support.

[boomer_wv]

10. You think he will hit

15% in every district? His polling average is about 20 right now, so it's very unlikely that he doesn't have caucuses where he is under 15% in the first round.

[LeftTurn3623]

13. I think you are on to something

After this I feel like when the primary comes to PA and if the top 2 are Warren and Biden im supporting Biden. And I aligned with and loved Warren.

She has turned me against her

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

19. I would urge you to reconsider... but can't blame you for feeling that way.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[delisen]

5. Fight with a boyfriend???? Self-blaming analogy

Oddly many of the Sanders supporters I have met who are women are quite patriarchal in their personal lives and their politics.

I keep trying to find the revolutionaries....

[ChubbyStar]

24. I am sure all the Sanders supporters you meet share their lives with you

[ritapria]

6. We Sanders Supporters are done with Liz

If Bernie is no longer a viable candidate when my state votes , I am going for Joe …. He would never do this to a friend in order to seek higher office ….He is a good guy ….

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

20. I refuse to give up on Elizabeth... I'm still holding out hope she reconsiders her failed strategy.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Hoyt]

7. Whatever the truth, I just don't get the issue. Christ, how will these two handle

disputes with world leaders that really matter.

[Skittles]

16. exactly

neither one of them is looking good

[Cha]

8. If you believe EW & I do.. It's Not a

"misstep".. I'm glad she called him out.

[fallout87]

15. And what about the timing?

She waited till a day before the debate to release info she's had for a year? hmmmmmmmm

[Blue_true]

25. I think that she asked Bernie to denounce the campaign flyers

that had hit the Press two days earlier. When he didn't she released her information on his view of female candidates for President. So her timing was driven more by Bernie's failure to denounce the campaign talking points memo than it was by when the debate would happen.

[oasis]

9. E.W. to Bernie post debate: "I think you called me a liar on national T.V.".

The honeymoon is over.

[Uncle Joe]

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread RandySF.

[BannonsLiver]

21. Remind me again when I've seen devotees of a politician react this way.

[Blue_true]

26. .... Good one, I know of one with the initials DJT. nt

[NCProgressive]

33. Some of them have failed to grow up

Some still acting like immature adolescents.

It is time for

[Tarheel_Dem]

28. It's as if "Sanders supporters" are the one & only group we have to be concerned about.

There's so much more to the Democratic party, and the country as a whole.

[judeling]

29. Warren played fair

As Klobuchar had done before with her "a women mayor", Warren's campaign put it out before the debate allowing Sanders to form a response. It was Sanders who decided to up the ante.

I find the reactions to both relatively mild attacks/contrasts as illuminating in respect to gender expectations.

[NYMinute]

32. I believe and stand with Senator Warren

These people need to grow up.

[bluedye33139]

35. Before the debate, there was a lot of talk about how

Warren's delegates should swear that they would vote for Bernie at the convention.

I'll bet that viewing party suddenly realized that that plan wasn't going to come to fruition.

[SidDithers]

36. Did they jump on their phones and start tweeting green snakes emojis right away?...nt

Sid