Some details on the Warren-Sanders post-debate non-handshake.

[pnwmom]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/15/us/politics/sanders-warren-debate-handshake.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

NEWTON, Iowa — It was the most tense moment at Tuesday night’s Democratic debate: Just after the event ended, Senator Elizabeth Warren walked over to Senator Bernie Sanders, with whom she had clashed onstage that evening, and refused to shake his outstretched hand. After a short exchange of words, he threw up his hands and then turned away from her.

People familiar with the exchange said Ms. Warren walked over and told Mr. Sanders that she was concerned that, during the debate, he had mischaracterized a conversation they had in 2018 about whether a woman could win the presidency. She has accused him of saying that a woman could not; he has denied that remark.

Appearing frustrated, Mr. Sanders asked to discuss the matter at a different time, said the people, who insisted on anonymity to discuss a sensitive, private conversation. He pointed his finger toward her, then back at himself, before turning and walking away.

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CNN did not capture sound of the brief exchange, though it appeared that Tom Steyer, the billionaire businessman, stood close enough to overhear what was said. After the debate Mr. Steyer repeatedly denied having heard the back-and-forth.

[still_one]

1. Hmmm. David Sirota, Nina Turner, and Briana Joy Gray were so honest about Hillary, why would

anyone doubt Sanders version?

[Cha]

4. Yeah, BS set himself up for this by hiring

the pushers of jill stein's LIES... dsirota, bjg, and nturner.

Link to tweet

After that throat-clearing, however, it was time for the dramatics. First, Sanders was asked about reports that he told Warren a woman couldn't be elected in our sexist environment. Sanders had multiple off-ramps that would make this entire tiresome debate go away: Apologize without caveats. Suggest that it was a miscommunication, and apologize for that. Anything but dig his heels into the previous claim that the reports were a lie, which makes it sound like he's gaslighting a woman he claims as a friend, and who has already made it clear that she is not actually mad about a relatively minor incident.

"As a matter of fact, I didn't say it," he said, adding, "How could anybody believe a woman can't win the presidency?"

https://www.salon.com/2020/01/15/soul-sapping-fireworks-last-debate-before-iowa-caucus/

Mahalo, still_one

[djacq]

2. History repeats itself;

[link:https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/evolution-clinton-sanders-feud-over-qualifications-n553046|

[vsrazdem]

3. People familiar with the Exchange. You mean like the ones that were famliar with the orignal one.

[pnwmom]

5. Any careful viewer can see what happened there. She wanted to talk, not have a happy photo op,

and he waved her off and turned his back on her.

[vsrazdem]

7. No, she called him a liar and he called her a liar. No a good place to air dirty laundry.

[question everything]

6. And poor Steyer was standing there, wanting to talk to Sanders and got caught in the middle