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BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:46 PM Jan 2020

Don't Count Elizabeth Warren Out

The press seems to have written her off, but she still has a good shot at winning the Iowa caucuses.

https://newrepublic.com/article/156204/dont-count-elizabeth-warren

In a perhaps vain effort to get something other in these threads about Warren than the "feud" and whether a President has the authority to bypass Congress in erasing student debt (bottom line: s/he does), I am posting the following.

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She still has the most compelling stump speech of anyone in the Democratic field, explaining in Mason City, Iowa, on Saturday that her life arc, “like most Americans’, is not a straight-line story.” More than half the crowd at recent Warren campaign events stood in line for what the candidate called “the all-important part of democracy—selfies.” (In fact, in Milford, New Hampshire, late last week, more than two dozen Warren fans also waited to pose for photos with the family dog, a golden retriever named Bailey.)

And Warren is running second in the influential Des Moines Register survey. (True, a Monmouth University poll, released Monday, showed her placing fourth in Iowa with 15 percent, but, based on the margin of error, she could be as high as second.)

But for some reason the press is treating Warren like yesterday’s news, a shopworn contender whose strengths as a candidate pale next to the steadiness of Joe Biden’s support, the supposed Bernie Sanders surge, the novelty of Pete Buttigieg, and the underdog appeal of Amy Klobuchar. There is almost a sense that the well-funded Massachusetts senator has been stricken with the Kamala Harris “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up” syndrome.

The truth is that media narratives are the most volatile part of the Democratic race. Every blip of news prompts journalists to recalibrate the odds on the Democratic nomination fight, knowing, even as they do, that these campaign developments are as evanescent as a light dusting of snow. Every cable TV panel discussion, every print reporter desperate for an angle, every polling analyst out to update the odds needs a reason to explain why today is different from yesterday—even when it isn’t.
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Warren still boasts formidable advantages going into the Iowa caucuses on February 3. The most important edge is that Warren has put together—in the estimate of both rival campaigns and neutral Iowa experts—the best team of organizers. As a senior figure on the Warren campaign told me in an interview, “We made a big bet that organization matters. We invested in Iowa first, and we invested early.”

Organization ranks up there with turnout as a political cliché. But as political scientist David Redlawsk, an expert on the Iowa caucuses who now teaches at the University of Delaware, put it, “We always say organization matters. But in the case of the Iowa caucuses, it is particularly true with so many moving parts in the caucus room itself.”
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We'll see what we shall see. Thank heavens, the IA caucuses will be over sooner rather than later, no matter what.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Don't Count Elizabeth Warren Out (Original Post) BlueMTexpat Jan 2020 OP
NEVER!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #1
I always LOVE BlueMTexpat Jan 2020 #3
Thanks... Elizabeth does have that affect on people. Gotta love her!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #4
I agree! Iliyah Jan 2020 #2
I just kicked her some bucks..... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #5
That is correct! sheshe2 Jan 2020 #6
I really wish one of them stepped away LeftTurn3623 Jan 2020 #7
I understand and somewhat agree caraher Jan 2020 #8
I doubt that they will ever BlueMTexpat Jan 2020 #9
Warren believes opioid restrictions went too far...she's the ONLY candidate talking about this Abymei Jan 2020 #10
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
1. NEVER!!
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:48 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
3. I always LOVE
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:50 PM
Jan 2020

your enthusiasm!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
4. Thanks... Elizabeth does have that affect on people. Gotta love her!!
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:53 PM
Jan 2020



Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

getagrip_already

(14,838 posts)
5. I just kicked her some bucks.....
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 03:55 PM
Jan 2020

Just because I don't like what sanders is doing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LeftTurn3623

(628 posts)
7. I really wish one of them stepped away
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:22 PM
Jan 2020

I dont even care which one. I think they cancel each other out and will help Biden walk away with the nomination.

For the more progressive wing of the Democratic party having both candidates run against each other means we have no shot at the nomination. Its like if Bernie or Warren really felt strongly about their ideas, one would step down for the betterment of the country. Support the other candidate. So there is a chance at real change in this country.

But I guess egos get in the way and I do not necessary blame them. If you feel strongly about your issue.

I get both sides of thee argument.

Warren to Bernie. "You had your time last election and lost to Hillary. Let me have my time."

Bernie to Warren. I'm polling better than you & better than you against Trump & have raised more money. "

So what we end up with is Biden. Which considering him against Trump isnt he worse thing that could happen. But we will not get massive change. Banks & Wall Street wont lose any sleep with Biden. There will be no shot at a public option happening anytime soon let alone single payer. Nothing will happen with student debt.

I will support Biden if he is the nominee and I will vote with pride for him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

caraher

(6,279 posts)
8. I understand and somewhat agree
Tue Jan 14, 2020, 04:33 PM
Jan 2020

Not a single vote has been cast yet, so I think it's too soon for either to throw in the towel. There should be plenty of time for them to join forces if one or the other becomes a clearer leading progressive choice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
9. I doubt that they will ever
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 12:34 PM
Jan 2020

"join forces." There are vast chasms of differences between them and between most of their followers.

But yes, I agree that it's too soon for either to throw in the towel.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Abymei

(2 posts)
10. Warren believes opioid restrictions went too far...she's the ONLY candidate talking about this
Wed Jan 15, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jan 2020

She is the ONLY candidate I know of that is trying to capture a major voting block. That is the disabled and chronic pain group. 100 million strong.

She has my vote!


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