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George II

(67,782 posts)
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:03 PM Jan 2020

If the CBS/YouGov poll is accurate (and there's nothing saying they aren't), here is how...

...Iowa and New Hampshire shake out, give or take a delegate or two:

Iowa, 41 Delegates:

Biden (23%), 11 Delegates
Warren (16%), 8 Delegates
Sanders (23%), 11 Delegates
Buttigieg (23%), 11 Delegates

New Hampshire:

Biden (25%), 9 Delegates
Warren (18%), 6 Delegates
Sanders (27%), 9 Delegates
Buttigieg (13%), 0 Delegates

Total - Biden 20, Warren 14, Sanders 20, Buttigieg 11

After two almost all-white states have voted, no clear leader and still more than 3,900 delegates to be determined.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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If the CBS/YouGov poll is accurate (and there's nothing saying they aren't), here is how... (Original Post) George II Jan 2020 OP
And Warren, Buttigieg and possibly Sanders are mathematically eliminated after super Tuesday. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #1
No way Polybius Jan 2020 #7
Super Tuesday is critical to Sanders, Warren and Buttigieg. Blue_true Jan 2020 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #8
Wishful thinking on your part. n/t totodeinhere Jan 2020 #11
You have to get 51% to win. Joe941 Jan 2020 #12
He could be so far ahead...Biden I mean that they can't win...and you have to have the most delegate Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #21
No you don't...36% would be sufficient...in a second ballot vote as another poster pointed out...and Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #24
Biden will evertonfc Jan 2020 #2
If things go the way they've been for a couple of months, he'll sweep all the delegates in SC and.. George II Jan 2020 #10
Word. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #25
Then we will hear "rigged" through July. RandySF Jan 2020 #3
This! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #5
I ain't gonna listen. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #26
I am not looking forward to the end of this primary season Recursion Jan 2020 #30
Some things never seem to change. Blue_true Jan 2020 #38
I'm pleased they are all doing so well and are bunched together gristy Jan 2020 #4
If I had no other dog in this race, I'd want it to shake Hortensis Jan 2020 #6
This is great news to me. The trend is obvious. KPN Jan 2020 #9
I see absolutely no trend judeling Jan 2020 #13
That's by choice. Biden has been losing ground to the field KPN Jan 2020 #19
Wishful thinking...Biden was in fourth place before Christmas according to polls now he is at least Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #22
Two 90%+ white jurisdictions do not reflect the demographics of the party Gothmog Jan 2020 #14
Correct. Thankfully when both votes are over and behind us we can move on.... George II Jan 2020 #15
Yes he will run the table....and also in the general election...you just watch. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #27
Right, the assumption was always that anybody who was going to beat Biden Recursion Jan 2020 #31
Yes, the second tier are all counting on IA/NH for the Hortensis Jan 2020 #35
sanders needs to win big in these all white states to have chance Gothmog Jan 2020 #16
According to 538, Biden could very easily sweep all the Southern states with his opponents.... George II Jan 2020 #17
Biden is Hillary but stronger radius777 Jan 2020 #18
In order to cancel out Biden's massive lead in the south, Bernie needs huge leads with white voters Gothmog Jan 2020 #20
It's the math NYMinute Jan 2020 #23
I Was Hoping for a Close Outcome in NH and IA Indykatie Jan 2020 #28
Good to see how it's all falling. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2020 #29
Two Mostly-Whitebread States Vogon_Glory Jan 2020 #32
Your delegate assessment doesn't take into account ground game... brooklynite Jan 2020 #33
That's why I said "give or take a delegate or two..." George II Jan 2020 #34
And after that, Biden will sweep ALL of the SC delegates... scheming daemons Jan 2020 #36
 

Demsrule86

(68,600 posts)
1. And Warren, Buttigieg and possibly Sanders are mathematically eliminated after super Tuesday.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:04 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Polybius

(15,448 posts)
7. No way
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:31 PM
Jan 2020

No one will be mathematically eliminated after March 3rd, that's way too early. This primary will be closer than 2016, and no one was eliminated Super Tuesday then either.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
37. Super Tuesday is critical to Sanders, Warren and Buttigieg.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 10:03 PM
Jan 2020

Biden would have whipped all of the soundly in South Carlolina a few days earlier. If he comes out of Super Tuesday with a significant lead, he then rolls into the big list of southern primaries where he is expected to beat the pants off of everyone else. Biden could come out is of the South with an insurmountable lead and walk to the nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #1)

 

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
11. Wishful thinking on your part. n/t
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:55 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
12. You have to get 51% to win.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 05:47 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,600 posts)
21. He could be so far ahead...Biden I mean that they can't win...and you have to have the most delegate
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 09:30 PM
Jan 2020

and on the second ballot supers vote for the individual who has the most delegates...not a team sport so if you desire to combine Sanders and Warren delegates...better get one of them to drop out...it is the only way. I think that there will be a clear winner anyway...and it won't be Bernie or Warren...Biden is going to be the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,600 posts)
24. No you don't...36% would be sufficient...in a second ballot vote as another poster pointed out...and
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 11:33 PM
Jan 2020

if 36% is the highest number of delegates among INDIVIDUAL donors, supers will put this candidate over the top...did you know that supers put Pres. Obama over the top? It was a very close election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
2. Biden will
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:07 PM
Jan 2020

dominate in the south

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
10. If things go the way they've been for a couple of months, he'll sweep all the delegates in SC and..
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:54 PM
Jan 2020

...get more than 2/3 of the delegates in North Carolina. He will also get all the delegates in Virginia, Georgia, Florida and Texas.

There have been no meaningful polls in any of the other southern states. We're going to have an early nominee this year.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RandySF

(58,939 posts)
3. Then we will hear "rigged" through July.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:12 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
26. I ain't gonna listen. nt
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 02:50 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
30. I am not looking forward to the end of this primary season
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 04:15 AM
Jan 2020

The rule changes were, IMO, a horrible idea, and we're going to see why

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
38. Some things never seem to change.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 10:06 PM
Jan 2020


"Rigged" is the new definition of "not enough people were into me".
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gristy

(10,667 posts)
4. I'm pleased they are all doing so well and are bunched together
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:13 PM
Jan 2020

This would seem to be a good thing. Certainly I like them all!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. If I had no other dog in this race, I'd want it to shake
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:29 PM
Jan 2020

out that way just to pain and expose all the corrupt "analysts" lying to elect Republicans.

Big no to making it easy for them to hide what they are.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KPN

(15,646 posts)
9. This is great news to me. The trend is obvious.
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 04:37 PM
Jan 2020

I’m feeling really good.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

judeling

(1,086 posts)
13. I see absolutely no trend
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 05:58 PM
Jan 2020

More treading water.
You have to squint to see any real movement except maybe so slight Pete decline and a bit of Amy advance. But the race is to unsettled to see a clear trend anywhere.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

KPN

(15,646 posts)
19. That's by choice. Biden has been losing ground to the field
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 08:15 PM
Jan 2020

slowly but surely.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,600 posts)
22. Wishful thinking...Biden was in fourth place before Christmas according to polls now he is at least
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 09:36 PM
Jan 2020

tied...and New Hampshire should be a blow out for Sander and Warren and it is not. I would not be surprised if Biden didn't win Iowa...but no matter what he gets delegate and then we move onto Nevada, North Carolina,Super Tuesday...and the south, the Midwest, California...Biden get delegates there too...and with the pitiful amount of AA support for both Sanders and Warren...they will not win once you hit states with diversity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,345 posts)
14. Two 90%+ white jurisdictions do not reflect the demographics of the party
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 06:41 PM
Jan 2020

If Biden does as projected in these states, he will clean up in South Carolina and the Super Tuesday states


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
15. Correct. Thankfully when both votes are over and behind us we can move on....
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 06:59 PM
Jan 2020

....to more diverse states that more accurately reflect the demographics of the United States and there will be no "clear leader" at that point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
27. Yes he will run the table....and also in the general election...you just watch. nt
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 02:52 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
31. Right, the assumption was always that anybody who was going to beat Biden
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 04:18 AM
Jan 2020

had to rack up an early victory in either NH or IA and then consolidate the rest of the field. Hell, the Biden campaign had essentially conceded Iowa two months ago. I don't see much of an avenue for the rest of the candidates if Biden wins these two.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Yes, the second tier are all counting on IA/NH for the
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:19 PM
Jan 2020

breakout from second tier that's always eluded them. They all have to make it or it's basically over.

Sanders, however, does have the money and will to show up in another 48 states and pretend he's in the running, raking in more donations for months just like last time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,345 posts)
16. sanders needs to win big in these all white states to have chance
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 07:21 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. According to 538, Biden could very easily sweep all the Southern states with his opponents....
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 07:25 PM
Jan 2020

....getting less than 15% in almost every case. This is in addition to winning both Florida and Texas.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

radius777

(3,635 posts)
18. Biden is Hillary but stronger
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 08:05 PM
Jan 2020

because he can also hold his own in the white states that Bernie won big in last time.

Some Sanders people think if Warren fades (and possibly drops out) all of her voters are going over to him - nonsense - as many of them are Hillary and Kamala voters who despise Sanders.

And when/if Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Bloomberg, Steyer drop out - I think most of those votes goto Biden.

Basically Biden can't lose the nomination (just like Hillary couldn't lose it) because of his dominance in the South and amongst PoC voters (who also play a large role in the large delegate rich states outside of the South) overall, as well as with establishment and moderate Dem voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,345 posts)
20. In order to cancel out Biden's massive lead in the south, Bernie needs huge leads with white voters
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 08:21 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
23. It's the math
Sun Jan 5, 2020, 09:42 PM
Jan 2020

Some aren't very good at it or choose to be not good at it so they can whine.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Indykatie

(3,697 posts)
28. I Was Hoping for a Close Outcome in NH and IA
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 03:04 AM
Jan 2020

I couldn't bear a month of the Media proclaiming a front runner for the Dem nomination based on the outcome of 2 states that look nothing like the Dem party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
29. Good to see how it's all falling. nt
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 04:03 AM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vogon_Glory

(9,122 posts)
32. Two Mostly-Whitebread States
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 10:02 AM
Jan 2020

I suppose that a Club Pachyderm primary season could show who is surging ahead.

But we’re Democrats. We’re a long way from telling who will gather the most delegates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brooklynite

(94,610 posts)
33. Your delegate assessment doesn't take into account ground game...
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 10:46 AM
Jan 2020

Future intent is not automatically reflective of actual caucus voting. Warren and Buttigieg have the strongest ground teams to round up their supporters and keep them at the Caucus site through two rounds of voting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
34. That's why I said "give or take a delegate or two..."
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 10:56 AM
Jan 2020

The only thing we know about any campaign's "ground game" is what the campaigns themselves tell us. We were told that Sanders' campaign had 25,000 people "on the ground" in Iowa. That's obviously not true.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
36. And after that, Biden will sweep ALL of the SC delegates...
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 09:50 PM
Jan 2020

...because no other candidate will clear 15%.

And at that point, he'll have a sizeable lead going into Super Tuesday.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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