Thanks Bernie for this CNN headline! "Biden brings weak record and

[Laura PourMeADrink]

and no excitement to 2020 race."

Hard to walk that back. Thought we were on same team? "Disagree with policy specifics" team. Not "I want to win no matter what scorched earth " strategy.

[katmondoo]

1. 0h

[Dennis Donovan]

2. Bernie's not the only one bashing the VP.

That said, it pisses me off to no end when our candidates go after one another - it's counter-productive. This isn't a normal primary season or general election. This is a battle for the soul and sustainability of America.

Laser-focus on the danger at hand - the King of Merd-e-Loado.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. This is so different this time. We will hand the election to dipshit

and Sanders will be partially responsible. Along with anyone else. We are not in normal times.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

18. Didn't bring up 2016 did I? But have to

answer yes, in part. Simple logic..anyone in public eye who doesn't unequivocally support the candidate is partially responsible. And that includes people who stay in til the bitter end.

[PatSeg]

6. Same here

My opinion of both Harris and Warren went down a notch when they went after an opponent with a very scripted attack during debates. Not only were the actual attacks a major turn off, but it reflected on the attacker's character in a way that is hard to forget. That is not what I want to see in a president. I want Democrats to be better than that.

We've seen enough raw destructive politics the past three years, I want to see character and integrity from our party and its representatives.

That said, I still love Elizabeth Warren, but I am still terribly disappointed.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. Yup. Harris has redeemed herself in my eyes. Just

by dropping out. She and Beto... something admirable about having the good sense and party good at heart to quit. Even though I know it was about money too.

Agree...knocking the others down never works (except it worked for trump.)

[PatSeg]

21. Yeah

I guess it depends on what kind of party and voters you are trying to appeal to. Apparently many republicans like "blood sport" politics. Maybe it is like watching some violent game on television, where winning is all that matters and they can cheer on their guy. I think that is part of what they love in Trump, he's not afraid to get down and dirty.

Yes, I still like Harris. What she did was a rookie mistake I suppose and it is possible that she got some really bad political advice. I think a candidate needs to control their campaign and put their foot down whenever someone suggests that kind of campaigning. I think Hillary was often the victim of bad political advice, especially in 2008. I could always tell when someone (Mark Penn maybe) had told her, "Be more _____" - too hard, too soft, don't smile enough, laugh more, be strong but not too strong, etc. It was exhausting to watch, but in the meantime, Obama won because he was a better candidate, even though I thought she was more qualified.

[Cha]

42. The "headline" is BullShit.. and BS is the one who

hired dsirota who edited a video on Biden to make him look bad. They don't think they can win without this kind of crap.

Link to tweet

Why are you always trying to cover for BS?

[George II]

3. Disgusting, especially when his OWN record can't hold a candle to Biden's. It keeps getting asked..

...and remains unanswered, what is Sanders' "strong" record? He's accomplished a fraction of what Biden accomplished as a Senator and Vice President. Surely he can't talk about his own record and accomplishments, so he goes on a fake attack about Biden's record.

I'm really getting tired of these fake attacks on Biden by Sanders and his hit men. It's deplorable.

Here is Sirota's latest tweet, from this morning, rehashing a misconception from back in May as though it just happened:

Link to tweet

And earlier, attacking Biden and Buttigieg, retweeting an Intercept article (INTERCEPT!!!):

Link to tweet

[PatSeg]

8. That is despicable

Some people are doing the republicans' job for them. If you have a good candidate, then sell that candidate and his/her qualifications to be president. They are just selling an ability to tear down an adversary, not something I want in a president. Character matters, now more than ever.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. If the goal is to sway me against supporting Biden, huge fail

Do they really think that a person will change their mind and support you after you trash the person you like?

[Skidmore]

37. Sanders has learned

projection. Hasn't he?

[NYMinute]

4. The only way Bernie can win is by destroying everyone ahead of him with smears and dirty tricks

So while the rest of us cringe, his devotees eat up these smears and spread them around as though it came from the messiah.

So far, Team Bernie has launched dozens of missiles -- starting with the bogus Lucy Flores non-scandal.

Sanders should drop out, go home, buy another opulent lake-front mansion, sell more books and stroke his ego by some other means than politics.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

7. The odds are against him ever overtaking Biden..I

believe he has a ceiling in our party. At this time, anyway. All you have to do is think about the polls that show 1/2 the Dems think beating the monster is job 1. Add in that our country is divided and not predominantly liberal.

Of course everyone has the right to run. But not the right to trash the front-runner. It's enormously harmful.

[NYMinute]

9. I agree

Bernie sees the handwriting on the wall and like a cornered predator, he is lashing out.

[PatSeg]

12. I think running for president

can have long term effects on people. It is like an addiction and I don't think Sanders ever recovered from his loss in 2016. There was a time when I believe he ran because of his ideals. Now it appears to have become an obsession, one that not only could affect him negatively, it could have long range repercussions for the party.

This kind of destructive in-fighting is exactly what republicans love to see. Voters, not so much.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. I can see that. Strikes me that the flaw too is not

recognizing that the country as a whole is not liberal enough (YET). Add in the tremendous headwind of the republican Facebook smear tactics, lack of any legislation or preparation to combat tRussian interference and a win for him is so unlikely. We will have a hard enough time as it is without adding infighting to the mix.

[PatSeg]

20. "Yet"

I think the country is far more liberal than they think they are, but most people become uncomfortable with the prospect of major change in a short period of time. Also, the candidates who are described as "moderate" are also more liberal than the media suggests.

The petty infighting will turn off a lot of voters and in the long run could benefit republicans. Personally, I hate it. A lot of competent, qualified people go down a notch with every petty attack. As I recall, Obama avoided such attacks. For awhile, I had preferred Hillary over Obama in 2008, but her attacks on Obama never sat well with me. It is like living through an endless family feud, one that wears everyone out and goes no where. Meanwhile, even after everyone makes up, some of the cruel things said will hover in the air for a long time.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. Good points. There may be validity in how people may

feel after having a crazy rollercoaster monster - that they need calm stability. Just to regroup and mend everything.

[PatSeg]

30. Oh yes

Pretty much all thinking people are suffering from chronic PTSD, longing for some normality and stability. Waking up every morning wondering what the madman in the White House has done or said in our name is exhausting. Our outrage has become too redundant and normal. It is not healthy to be outraged every day 24/7.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. Oh damn. Three US casualties in Kenya

[PatSeg]

35. I know

and I'm afraid it will only get worse.

[Kahuna7]

11. Bernie will regret this attack when it's addressed during the next debate. nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. Is there another? Thought that last one was end? Why

Doesn't Perez talk to him? Read him riot act.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. Jan 14th. Yang petitioned DNC on lack of diversity

So far, the five candidates who have qualified for the CNN-hosted Jan. 14 event at Drake University—former Vice President Joe Biden, Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Amy Klobuchar (D-MN), and South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg—are all white.

[Kahuna7]

22. C'mon. Would it do any good for Perez to read him the riot act? nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. I don't know. I would hope so.

[Sloumeau]

14. Bernie's trash talking has the air of desperation to it. eom.

[Kahuna7]

23. I also opposed Vietnam and the Iraq invasion. That doesn't qualify..

me to be President and Commander in Chief. Just sayin.'

[UniteFightBack]

25. Oh if I had a dollar for every time I've heard this or read this I'd be out of my credit card debt.

I'm fucking A OK with 'no excitement' even though that is not what I think.

I am A O fucking K with a steady seasoned hand.
I am A O fucking K with Biden as our man.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

26. L O fucking L

[Bev54]

28. It seems Bernie's campaign is working for who?

So Trump screwed up his ability to make allegations against Biden for a completely false narrative on Ukraine. It seems Bernie's campaign, along with republicans are picking up the pieces by smearing Biden with BS and taking words out of context. It is republican strategies being used by Bernie and it is disgusting.

[Gothmog]

29. What are sanders accomplishments?

What has sanders accomplished? sanders talking about weak record would carry some weight if sanders had some accomplishments What are these accomplishments?

[Demsrule86]

31. His record is truly weak in terms of accomplishments...all talking and no walking. Biden on the

other hand has many accomplishments.

[bonniebgood]

32. Care to name Biden's Accomplishments? I would love to see Sanders

and Yang take us into the next generations.

[BeyondGeography]

34. Barack Obama's running mate

Other than that, more misses than hits. Far more, IMO. Anita Hill, the crime and bankruptcy bills and the IWR vote were all unqualified disasters. Other than gay marriage, I can’t think of one issue where Biden has stuck his neck out and led. He has always tended to run with the herd

So Bernie has a point; Biden has had to update much of his career to pass for a contemporary liberal. Biden has chosen to laugh this attack off but the problem with that approach is Bernie gets the stronger headline.

Personally, I’d like to see a substantive response from Biden defending his record and attacking Bernie. He might as well get in some practice now because whatever Bernie is throwing at him are spitballs compared with what he’ll face from Trump if he’s the nominee.

[Raine]

40. So would I .. nt

[myohmy2]

36. have you...

...ever stopped to consider Bernie maybe right?

...I'm excited...

...but not about Joe...

[George II]

38. So you agree that Biden has a "weak record"? If that's the case, inasmuch as his record is....

....massively stronger than Sanders' record, how would you characterize that? "Anemic"?

Bottom line, Sanders is NOT right.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

41. He could be. But it doesn't matter. It's about honor

and righteousness to me. His rhetoric didn't match his actions.

[Raine]

39. "Politics ain't beanbag" nt