Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumJoe Biden's 'West Wing' fantasy
CNNIt's a heartwarming aspiration, on the face of it. But Biden's statement Monday that he'd be open to choosing a Republican running mate -- as offhand or pandering as it may have been -- underscores just how much of his appeal is rooted in made-for-TV fantasy like "The West Wing," rather than modern political reality.
In an Exeter, New Hampshire, town hall, Biden told the crowd he's willing to keep the option open, even if he couldn't name a worthy cross-the-aisle veep candidate offhand. "There are some really decent Republicans that are out there still!" he said. "But here's the problem right now: They've got to step up."
Here's the real problem: "Decent" Republicans have had countless opportunities to "step up," beginning long before Donald Trump was elected. But those who stepped up to criticize him have fallen in line, rendering their criticism hollow. They could have condemned the racist "birther" slurs Trump used to slander his predecessor, Barack Obama. They could have rejected his public history of gross misogyny and alleged sexual misconduct. Their leadership could've called out the lies and xenophobia embedded in his campaign rhetoric, and that still define many of his policies as president today. Rare exceptions aside, the mainstream GOP has remained aligned in its support of Trump.
Editor's Note: Jeff Yang is a frequent contributor to CNN Opinion, a featured writer for Quartz and other publications, and the co-host of the podcast "They Call Us Bruce." He co-wrote Jackie Chan's best-selling autobiography, "I Am Jackie Chan" and is the editor of three graphic novels: "Secret Identities," "Shattered" and the forthcoming "New Frontiers." The opinions expressed in this commentary are his. Read more opinion on CNN.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)Biden can win enough states to beat trump. That is all that matters. That is what folks need to look at.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)Sorry I look for more than a guy who might win. I sure as hell do not want a guy who is that old with a Republican VP. Nobody knows what can happen with any ones health and Biden is moving pretty damn slow. Last thing I need is to elect a Democratic candidate then something happens and a Republican becomes President. Or just think what will happen if Biden even serves out his 8 years. You would have a VP Republican running for President who would be hard to beat.
Sorry I lost so much respect for Biden after that statement and I hope it comes up in the next debate.
I want someone who will win and put forth a hard left leaning agenda.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)Biden should help the winnowing process.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)It sounds wonderful....but its just not enough.
And for good measure:
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)ready on day one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Happy Hoosier
(7,308 posts)The NUMBER ONE priority is a candidate who can win. All else is secondary.
Also, don't mistake electoral strategy for naivete. Biden knows what he is up against.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,622 posts)..hell i knew a 45 yr old healthy man who dropped dead of a heart attack....and those floating blood clots can get anyone at anytime.
I will vote for the Dem nom..will you?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
boomer_wv
(673 posts)Should I take the guy who wrote Jakie Chans biography opinion of Joe Biden more seriously than anyone elses?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)...while not everyone else knows how many periods go into an ellipsis or how to make nouns possessive?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
boomer_wv
(673 posts)Has what to do with anything?
I think you should try to be more condescending with your next answer though. Really challenge yourself.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Having trouble following your own train of thought, or is this normal for you?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Happy Hoosier
(7,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)The poster responded by questioning the qualifications of the subject because they wrote a book on what we are to believe is a stupid topic, heavily implying that their opinion was just as good. They thereby made their own qualifications germane to the conversation and I responded in kind.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
boomer_wv
(673 posts)It's the kind of attack that someone who has nothing else takes.
You've still not explained why Jackie Chans biographer has any more authority on this subject than anyone else.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beastie boy
(9,345 posts)If his opinion is that there are no decent Republicans around, logic dictates that Biden will never choose a Republican to be his running mate. How this escaped Mr. Yang's train of thought is beyond me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
And I would think that was pretty much what Biden was implying. He also could have been talking to the many disillusioned republican voters who feel they've been abandoned by their party and have no where to turn.
We're in the season where journalists and pundits will take one or two phrases, usually out of context, and spin it into an entire news cycle. Meanwhile, the nightmare in the White House could be starting World War III.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,990 posts)Yang's opinion and Biden's are two different things.
How this escaped your train of thought is beyond me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
beastie boy
(9,345 posts)is right.
But, your snark notwithstanding, that was not the point. My point was that Yang's argument, regardless of what you or Biden think about Republicans, is self defeating on its face.
Without deflecting to Biden, can you see it now?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,990 posts)It's not deflecting to Biden when he is the subject of the piece. There is rarely bi-partisanship or unity.
legislative compromise comes from genial backslaps and warm hugs less often than a campaigning candidate would like to admit; more often it has emerged from one dominant party slamming through its preferred agenda, and the other grinding it into a more acceptable shape...
...But on "The West Wing," bipartisanship works because its left and right politicians are true believers who strategically want what's best for the nation, even if they "differ in tactics." Disagreements invariably end in begrudging compromise, or with one party -- whichever one is in the wrong -- shamed or exhausted into submission by a rousing monologue. There is no self-dealing or double-dealing; no collusion, no obstruction.
That's not our world. We exist in a timeline where "The West Wing" has been preempted by "The Celebrity Apprentice," and bipartisanship is both a myth and a trap. Joe Biden may actually believe he's a Bartlet pair, all the way down to the initials; or he may be cynically seeking to fly "West Wing" nostalgia all the way to the White House. In either case, for a 77-year-old Democratic frontrunner for president to blithely suggest that he might put a Republican a heartbeat away from the Oval Office is disheartening at best -- and disqualifying at worst.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
beastie boy
(9,345 posts)His argument is flawed, plain and simple. Stop deflecting.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,990 posts)Seems pretty plain and simple to me. YMMV
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brutus smith
(685 posts)Joe might have been a good candidate in the '80's, not now.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rzemanfl
(29,557 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)`President Biden`.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Course, repeating something over and over again doesnt make it true.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
progressoid
(49,990 posts)I think his run only lasted three and a half months.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)they're nice guys or a particular color or gender.
America is dangerously divided, though, and we must elect a widely trusted and trustworthy leader who can restore stability and hope. In that respect, strongly principled, bighearted VP Biden, liked and respected across our very diverse, bipartisan electorate, is by far the most qualified candidate for the job. No one else comes close.
It would be accurate to say nice Americans deserve a genuinely good person as president.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,767 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)people. This is why he will win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)Few people in America have spent more time wrangling with, fighting with, and dealing with Republicans than Joe Biden. He knows what they are like, and there is no way he would have a Republican as VP. He was merely trying to be polite to a nice lady that asked a question by acting like he would consider a Republican. Reality Check: Joe Biden would never choose a Republican to be VP.
Joe Biden is too polite and too good of a politician to ever admit what he thinks of Republicans. However, after dealing with them in six Senate campaigns and two Presidential campaigns before this Presidential campaign, he knows all of the dirty, low-down tricks that they pull both on the campaign trail and in Congress. Joe Biden is just too experienced at politics not to realize what scumbags Republicans are. He just knows things will be easier in the long run if he never actually verbalizes what he actually believes about Republicans. Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, JFK, Truman, and FDR were the same way. I suspect LBJ verbalized what he thought about Republicans, but only behind closed doors, and only to other Democrats. LBJ had a hard time not verbalizing what he really thought.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueTsunami2018
(3,492 posts)What a waste of time. This guy has taken a throwaway line and a scenario that will never happen and turned it into something that could actually be considered. Its garbage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)Biden haters...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
beastie boy
(9,345 posts)"There are some really decent Republicans that are out there still! But here's the problem right now: They've got to step up."
Do you, like Mr. Yang, know more about the Republicans Biden is referring to than Biden does? Or do you disagree that they have to step up to maintain their reputations?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,767 posts)Character or his lead!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)They tell a lot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
progressoid
(49,990 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samnsara
(17,622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden