Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSanders Launches Harsh Attack On Biden That Proves The Former VP Is The Most Electable Democrat 😎
Even though recent data shows former Vice President Joe Biden is the most electable Democratic candidate both in national and swing state polling Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders called him ill-suited to defeat Trump in November.
In a new interview with The Washington Post published Thursday, Sanders slammed the former VPs long record in government and accused him of being too close to the establishment.
Its just a lot of baggage that Joe takes into a campaign, which isnt going to create energy and excitement, Sanders said. He brings into this campaign a record which is so weak that it just cannot create the kind of excitement and energy that is going to be needed to defeat Donald Trump.
The independent lawmakers comments are his sharpest attacks on Biden to date, but they show that Sanders recognizes that his biggest weakness electability is the former VPs greatest strength.
Biden is the only candidate who reaches the magic 270 electoral votes needed to win
The only problem with Sanders assessment of Bidens chances against Trump is that a mountain of national and statewide polling data contradicts it.
In fact, based on the current RealClearPolitics average of state-by-state polling, Biden is the only candidate among the Democratic frontrunners including Sanders who is leading Trump in enough states to win the Electoral College.
As of Dec. 31, Biden stands at 322 electoral votes compared to Trumps 166, with 50 electoral votes falling into the toss-up category.
Sanders, on the other hand, leads in states totaling just 265 electoral votes to Trumps 257 electoral votes. Only North Carolinas 15 electoral votes fall into the toss-up category.
The same is true of Elizabeth Warren, who currently leads Trump in states that total just 251 electoral votes compared to Trumps 257 electoral votes with 30 electoral votes too close to call.
In other words, Sanders and Warren may tout enthusiasm and crowd sizes, but polling shows that only Biden would comfortably win the Electoral College in November.
2020 Electoral map based on RCP average Polls:
Biden 322
Trump 166
Tossups 50
Sanders 265
Trump 257
Tossups 16
Trump 257
Warren 251
Tossups 30
Bidens electability case was further bolstered this week with a new Florida poll showing that hes the only Democratic candidate in the field who leads Trump in a hypothetical matchup.
Ultimately, the 2020 election is going to be closely contested no matter who the Democratic nominee is.
But Sanders argument over electability will likely fall flat if polling continues to show as it has during much of this election cycle that Biden is the strongest candidate to take on Trump in November.
https://www.politicususa.com/2020/01/02/sanders-launches-harsh-attack-on-biden-that-proves-the-former-vp-is-the-most-electable-democrat.html
Go Joe.... 😎🎨
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,041 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aeromanKC
(3,322 posts)Go Joe!! And to think Texas is a cycle or two from also going Blue!! Go Dems!! GOTV!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TexasTowelie
(112,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,767 posts)What else would one expect from a part time dem that has become desperate
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/bernie-sanders-2016-rigged-wont-pledge-support-winner.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(58,832 posts)Bernie also has to watch himself because he's in a bigger field of candidates this time, too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gab13by13
(21,337 posts)at why these threads are allowed here?
Polls are used for propaganda, it is better to ignore them.
I said before Joe committed that he comes with a lot of baggage. I liked the thread that accused Bernie of being Russia's favorite, I agree. Russia wants Bernie elected because he would overturn the corporate control of our country, something maybe our country isn't ready for. Maybe we all, Democrats and Republicans alike are afraid of change. Maybe we all like being controlled by corporate greed?
Elizabeth and Bernie scare corporate America because either one would at least try to level the playing field.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)I am amazed why Bernie is in the Dem primaries to begin with....again...😠
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,767 posts)But yes, the part time dem has already filed paperwork to run an independent in 2024
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,767 posts)30 years in DC and hes accomplished little
Russia likes bernie because they know he would continue to create havoc if elected, but the real reason ...they know dotard will run over him
Wake up!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)All things must pass
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
musicman65
(524 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
usaf-vet
(6,186 posts)Isn't Biden the opponent Trump fears the most. Why? Because he knows Biden can beat him? Beat him in Wisconsin, Michigan Ohio, Pennsylvania?
It seems obvious to me that Trump feels Biden is the one he is going to face in 2020. It also appears that he wants and needs dirt to repel Biden's challenge. Am I missing something?
Does he have the necessary dirt to repel other challengers? Or he so convinced that Biden could actually be the one the will crush his a$$ that he really needs dirt to stand a chance against Biden? He needs it so bad that he is willing to manufacture the dirt. He wants a birther equivalent for Biden to attack Biden day after day.
It's leading me to think I need to keep a close eye on Biden.
And now maybe Sanders is seeing the same light.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brer cat
(24,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Disagree with specific policy ideas, fine. But what Sanders did was make statements that one can not walk back! If Biden wins, GOP will use Sanders' statements against him.
Very hard to believe that Sanders wants trump out. He just wants to win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
polichick
(37,152 posts)Disgustingly, the EC remains to make sure citizens never get what they deserve - that the wealthy and corporations continue to pillage the country and the planet.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)He apparently sees that the long term outlook on his campaign does not look good, so he apparently thinks that attacking Biden will boost his campaign. His assertion that Biden is not electable is largely contradicted by nine months of polling. What is ironic is that whenever Biden does well in a poll, the Sanders campaign acts like it means nothing, yet when Sanders does well in a poll, they act like it means everything. Here are two things to keep in mind:
1. If the polls mean something, then the odds are that Biden is the most likely candidate to beat Trump, and the assertion from Sanders that Biden is not the most likely to beat Trump is false.
2. If the polls don't mean anything, then why does Bernie Sanders feel the need to go negative on Biden? The Sanders campaign, by its own admission, got the largest haul of any campaign this quarter. If the polls mean nothing, then Bernie Sanders should be doing great and should have no need to go negative.
Which voters does Bernie Sanders think his going negative on Biden? None of us who like Biden are going to come running to Sanders after he attacks Biden. As we saw with Kamala Harris, attacking Biden can, at best, only bring a temporary bump, and only near the beginning of the race, when some Biden leaners were not set. The fair-weather friend Biden supporters all left when Harris attacked Biden last summer. Since then, Biden's support has been pretty consistent, no matter what people throw at him.
That Bernie Sanders chose now to go negative shows nothing but the desperation of a campaign that will most likely fail and is looking for anything to shake up the numbers and move the needle in some way. Unfortunately for Bernie Sanders, this is just not his year. We just have to wonder how long it will be until he figures that out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)now I do believe it true with Biden beating Trump but most Americans do not know EW & Pete that well. Even Bernie to a certain point but polling shows he beats Trump so does it matter how close it is?
If you want a left leaning agenda and series change for this country and Bernie still beats Trump then why would you vote for Biden? I rather have EW or Bernie win a close election and have them as President than a more moderate candidate win in a blow out.
With all that said Pete would beat Trump as easy as Biden if he won the nomination and people got to know him. If America saw someone that smart and reasonable it would be pretty easy election also.
I do not come down the road that this election will even be close. I could even make the point that polling could hurt Biden in a general election. Because there is no enthusiasm for Biden. People will see him beating Trump and could stay home because he doesnt generate enthusiasm. Like Hillary people didnt turnout as strong.
Someone like Bernie, EW, Pete there is excitement. People will knock on doors, make calls ...etc
Either way I think pretty much any of these candidates will win with EW maybe having the closest election.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bucolic_frolic
(43,161 posts)but people are aware of it, and this is a far different campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftTurn3623
(628 posts)Hillary didnt win
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WA-03 Democrat
(3,050 posts)1) Comey
2) Russia/FB/Twitter
3) voter suppression in MI, WI and PA
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,242 posts)Link to tweet
The only problem with Sanders assessment of Bidens chances against Trump is that a mountain of national and statewide polling data contradicts it.
In fact, based on the current RealClearPolitics average of state-by-state polling, Biden is the only candidate among the Democratic frontrunners including Sanders who is leading Trump in enough states to win the Electoral College.
As of Dec. 31, Biden stands at 322 electoral votes compared to Trumps 166, with 50 electoral votes falling into the toss-up category.
Sanders, on the other hand, leads in states totaling just 265 electoral votes to Trumps 257 electoral votes. Only North Carolinas 15 electoral votes fall into the toss-up category.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden