Joe Biden on Hillary Clinton:

[George II]

Link to tweet

[tblue37]

1. K&R for visibility. nt

[underpants]

2. Ooh. Picking on the press.

He's dead right but we'll see how the media deals with it.

[Buzz cook]

48. They'll ignore it

Or pretend he was only calling out Fox.

[Mike Nelson]

3. That's very true...

... Joe is smart to compliment Hillary Clinton as we move into the Democratic primaries. The candidates should be praising Obama and Hillary during the primaries - that's where the winning votes are...

[ritapria]

4. From Business Insider June 10, 2017

" Biden : I knew a month before Election Day that Hillary would lose key Battleground States " ..".I never thought she was a great candidate... I thought I was a great candidate "

[OldRed2450]

7. He is complementing her now. That is more than Bernie will EVER do.

Which, in my opinion, will cost him the primary.

[DURHAM D]

8. Yep. This was my first thought when I read the OP.

otoh - One of Biden's staff members must have explained to him that there is a lot of residual anger out there toward BS regarding 2016 and he could pick up some support if he tries to snuggle up to Hillary.

As for me...I won't vote in the primary for either one of them.

[Lexee]

11. Right. Also coyingly suggesting jumping in 2016. But, I am happy to hear Biden say this now.

[stopdiggin]

46. Biden declared he wouldn't run in Oct 2015

characterizing this as a "coy suggestion" is ... coming from some other place.

1) a standing VP is very often expected to run. Especially off the legacy of a very popular 2 term president. i.e., there was some legitimate expectation (and push) for Biden to run.
and 2) Biden was dealing with a devastating death in his family at the time, which ultimately led to the decision that he didn't the heart or stomach necessary for the task at the time.

I find your, "coyingly suggesting jumping in" in exceedingly poor taste. Not to mention pretty revisionary of the facts

[seaglass]

14. Agreed. I'm surprised how many ardent Hillary voters enthusiastically

support Biden.

I remember when he said he saw no joy in Hillary's campaign and have been wondering how much joy he's been feeling lately.

Joe comes across as thinking he is better than Obama and Hillary and no, he pales in comparison.

Unless my only choice is Biden or Sanders, I won't be voting for Biden in the primary.

[Skya Rhen]

17. It's a pity we can't see who you ardently support. BTW, there's a lot of joy in his camp - worry not

[Thekaspervote]

22. Thank You!! Agree completely

[emmaverybo]

29. Joy. And I love Biden's graciousness, kindness, complete lack of arrogance. Never known as

a political backstabber. Not feared for abuse of power, but for the power of his widespread appeal and respect. I danced in the street banging on an old pot, alone, when Obama won. I wanna dance again and I will when Biden wins.

[seaglass]

30. You can't see because I don't ardently support anyone. Most are fine with me. n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. How can anyone still be undecided. Fishy 2 me

[seaglass]

64. Paranoid a little? I've contributed to O'Rourke, Buttigieg, Warren, Castro and Gillibrand. The

last candidate I supported was Harris. I'm going to let this play out until it gets closer to my primary. I don't like Biden, Sanders, Gabbard and some of the other lower polling candidates. Haven't decided about Booker. Is that a problem for you?

[seaglass]

66. Sad. n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

70. Deleted my responses to this. Just jumped at the snark.

I am sure there are good reasons to still be undecided. And that there are still valid reasons. I am also sure there are segments of undecideds whose sole purpose is to sow discord, diminish our field, and the converse, to lobby for particular people whether paid or unpaid.

[seaglass]

71. Didn't see it and yes I saw the other thread where some are hiding who they support so as to

appear unbiased. There are others who have chosen a candidate they don't actually support. I understand after the last election that there is some distrust and suspicion of hidden agendas, but I am truly undecided - don't know what else to say.

Thanks for deleting your snarky reply, I am somewhat familiar with your posts (I also remember LauraPackYourBags) and don't think you are a mean person.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

72. HNY Seaglass!

[Cha]

45. Because Joe Biden is the BEST CHOICE & WE WANT

to BEAT the Fucking #45IMPEACHED

That's MORE Important than any Freaking Resentment.. do you get it Now?

[AlexSFCA]

60. a good candidate vs. a good president are very different things

I’ve always thought Hillary is great when it comes to policy, doing actual work (first lady, senator, SoS), working on bills, etc. She is not a great politician - campaigner because, to her detriment, she is too honest but in a way that is not easy to see for most people. Biden does connect better and he is a better politician but it does not mean he would be a better president. There is no contradiction here. There has been a smear campaign against Hillary going on for decades now. But she herself did little to take those deplorables to task by suing for libel and defamation, demand discovery and testimony under oath. So the outrageous rw conspiracy worked on a lot of people (including quite a few bernie supporters on this very forum) Again, a good politician may have done that but, for some reason, Clinton believes that voters are smart and can see though it. You can say it but you should never rely on it. So let’s remember that a candidate/politican/campaigner is not the same as great elected official.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

73. The campaign against HRC worked. Years and years

of overt and subliminal smears. Hell I even thought in the back of mind she had baggage to overcome. And you had to stop and slap your face and think ..stop it..it was all manufactured.

Thinking back to her testifying on Benghazi...think she was the last one who actually believed that the system of knowledge is key and "right vs wrong" was actually still alive in our government and society.

[SCVDem]

5. History will show,

that the press DID aid and abet the enemy!

Arguments or disagreements?

[Sherman A1]

12. The media did exactly what it was supposed to do

fill airtime between ads for drugs we never knew we needed. Expecting anything else out of them is simply setting yourself up for disappointment.

[John Fante]

51. Way to give them a pass.

[Sherman A1]

58. A pass?

Hardly, just stating what I have found to be true. If you expect them to be anything beyond profit driven then you are deluding yourself.

[triron]

52. Not the way it was back when.

[Sherman A1]

55. Well,

It isn’t way back when and hasn’t been for a very long time.

[AlexSFCA]

61. history absolutely will! But it won't matter.

What matters is winning so that we can accomplish what we want. History books is not it.

[OldRed2450]

6. I like his tone and the way he explains things

[onetexan]

10. I do too

[Johnny2X2X]

9. Oh boy

Bernie supporters sure aren’t going to like this.

[Guilded Lilly]

13. He's right. And ALL, not just the 3million plus more who voted for her...

are paying for it.

[spooky3]

24. And multiple studies, such as this one, show that he's right about the media bias toward HRC:

https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud

[calimary]

33. "Oh but her emails!"

[pazzyanne]

40. And don't forget Benghazi -

[NYMinute]

15. Hillary was character assassinated by the media and her "Democratic" opponent. nt

[StevieM]

16. He is right, of course. But nothing was more important to the outcome of that election then Comey.

He dominated that race from start to finish.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. That should never have happened.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[calimary]

34. comey and his big mouth - that wound up having nothing to say.

[betsuni]

18. Only 10% of general election news coverage was discussion of public policy.

According to Harvard's Shorenstein Center. "If she had a policy agenda, it was not apparent in the news. Her lengthy record of public service also received scant attention."

I remember watching ABC News the day after the election and it was the first time they put the two party's plans side by side. The anchor looked a little uncomfortable.

I was just reading a long Daily Kos thread from 2016 about health care, and so many people had everything wrong about the ACA, about President Obama and going on and on about the imaginary criminal career of Hillary "Wall Street" Clinton. The people who took the time to try to educate this massive ignorance are saints. But we still see exactly the same stuff today.

[Gothmog]

19. This made me smile

[robbedvoter]

20. I still recall "I am a better candidate". But good thing

he is starting to vie for us. First one yet. Smart.

[sandensea]

21. Big Media (by and large) did what Big Business told them to:

"Get that orange crook elected - so we can get our big tax cuts!"

[Thekaspervote]

23. Thx for posting!!

[crazytown]

25. I'll cop it sweet about a lot of what Biden says

but not on this. Revisionism. He criticized her for not appealing to "the people he grew up with" attending Trump rallies. "And they were not racists".

[boomer_wv]

26. You can

be both highly qualified and be a bad candidate. Hillary made a lot of strategic mistakes along the way. Had the republicans nominated someone better than Trump they'd have won the popular vote as well.

[pazzyanne]

41. ...

[boomer_wv]

69. Its true.

It's true Trump was and is historically unpopular. If there were a generic republican in office now with this economy they would be sitting 10-15 points higher in approval.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

28. Agreed, Hillary was the most QUALIFIED candidate but Elizabeth has to be the most COMPETENT one ever

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Quixote1818]

31. He also said she was a terrible candidate for President

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/joe-biden-hillary-clinton/index.html

[George II]

32. Please quote him correctly. He NEVER said "she was a terrible candidate", he said...

..."I never thought she was a great candidate", which is entirely different. He never even said she wasn't a very good candidate.

How many candidates in our history were "great" candidates? Far fewer, if any, than candidates that were very good.

[calimary]

35. I thought she was a great candidate. Maybe the best and best-qualified ever.

I still think so.

And she got the most votes.

[George II]

36. I do too, on all counts you mention. It was ludicrous to read that article and come out of it...

...saying that Biden thought she was a "terrible" candidate. And here he is saying exactly the opposite:

Link to tweet

[Quixote1818]

43. Entirely different?

Talk about splitting hairs. Terrible / Not a great candidate? Websters would put them in the same ballpark.

[lapucelle]

54. Yes, one a grounder trickling to the pitcher's mound and the other a line drive over the wall.

terrible
extremely or distressingly bad.

(not) great
(not) very skilled or capable in a particular area.

[George II]

59. "Not great" does not equal "terrible". It could mean "very good". If he thought she was terrible....

....I'm sure he would have said it.

I just watched Kansas City beat the LA Chargers. They weren't great but they weren't terrible.

[aikoaiko]

37. ROFL

Oh, Joe. We remember what you said about HRC, but you go get those votes no matter what.

[Gothmog]

50. I doubt that sanders will be getting the support from Clinton supporters

There are a large number of real democrats who have good memories and these Democrats will not forgive or forget

[aikoaiko]

53. Its not surprising you would say that.

So what was up with your OP with all the disparaging names of the Democratic candidates that used the comma to denote decimals as Europeans use?

Where did you find that?

[IronLionZion]

38. The press propped up the candidate who hates them the most

to "shake things up" because he's "entertaining" and an "outsider".

Maybe they like to be abused but the rest of us don't.

[ancianita]

39. ALL Democratic candidates get the "perfect as the enemy of the great" treatment, Hillary and

Obama especially, whether candidates or president.

Never getting the mote out of their own eyes, the Trump/GOP/media tack has always been to target the Democrat for her/his lack of total perfection.

We need to run SO many party ads to the contrary --
about Trump lies,
broken promises,
broken laws and immorality over the border,
net tariffs losses,
golfing costs,
secret phone calls,
secret meetings,
secret servers
Russian contributions to ALL the GOP Senators and Trump
-- where the ads end with, "and you think a DEMOCRAT is imperfect??" [ominous music]

[AlexSFCA]

63. let's hope bloomberg floods all available spots

with ads blocking gop’s ability to buy ads. I have a suspicion that this is his goal from the getgo, he has no chance of winning the nomination, but he is willing to spend billions on antri trump ads without violating campaign finance laws (e.g. donating to Biden’s campaign). Steyer is doing similar but he is poor compared to bloomberg. It will literally take billions to saturate ad markets.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

44. Truth!!

[SunSeeker]

47. Thank you Joe. This can't be said enough. nt

[Gothmog]

49. This was a truly great speech

[secondwind]

56. Biden/Clinton?

[AlexSFCA]

62. no, we need to be able to move on

People are still fatigued from 2016 so why remind them 24/7 about it again. Not to mention, Hillary would bring absolutely nothing to the ticket in terms of extra votes. Biden will have plenty of options for VP but the most important criterion is who can draw extra votes and generate extra enthusiasm. Abrams, Pete, Warren, Harris, etc.? I believe Stacey Abrams pick would be lethal to GOP and her focus on voter suppression is so needed on national level with sustained coverage. It is so easy to kill GOP’s narrative that voter fraud is on dem side by bringing stats on how many people got actually convicted for voter fraud (close to 0, lol) and bring real stats on voter rolls and expulsions - plenty of data. It’s not covered much in the media, but it would be if she is a VP pick who laser sharp focuses on the single most important issue. No point talking about how we can achieve all other stuff without addressing voting access.

[ancianita]

68. +1

[secondwind]

57. Biden/Clinton?