What some on the left (Michael Moore) are saying is...Ignore minority voters

[tman]

We know the so called centrist candidate he refers to. That candidate currently leads with both African American and Latino voters, without both of which the Democrats have zero chance of ever winning an election, especially if they come out in unenthusiastic numbers.

Ignore the will of African American and Latino voters and go with someone on the far left who won't excite the party's actual core 'base' and will turn off any swing voters? Good luck in your UK Labour party goals.

Michael Moore is an attention whore who was wrong in 2012 and right in 2016, but if Democrats lose in 2020, it won't be because we had a 'moderate' at the top of the ticket.

You should also be careful about taking your most loyal voters for granted.

[Tiggeroshii]

1. Wtf

Latinos are likely going for Bernie. And minorities as a whole are split. Nobody is trying to ignore them. They are trying to win their votes. And Bernie is succeeding.

[aeromanKC]

2. 2018 Blue wave fueled by moderate voters will continue

There will be more voters that did not vote or voted for Trump voting Dem than Dems who will stay home or vote for fringe candidates. (Book it)

[Tiggeroshii]

4. I think so

And by nobody, I meant no dem. Repugs suppress as a rule

[localroger]

6. It's actually very hard to see how Trump gets re-elected no matter who

...the D candidate is. Biden will be fine. Pete, Liz, or Bernie would be fine. The reason is that Trump only barely won the election last time -- even with the help of the electoral college, the bots and propaganda, and all the rest. He can't afford to lose a single voter who voted for him last time. And he's lost a LOT of those voters, and it's hard to see where he has picked up any new ones. Suppression tactics are only good for a few 10K votes at best. Trump can't afford to lose a single state he won last time, and there are FOUR where he's in serious trouble and several others which already look shaky.

Michael Moore knows the people he grew up around and if he issues a warning it would be foolish to ignore it. That doesn't mean he's right, but it might mean that all of our candidates should pay attention to what he's saying. We ignored him last time and it didn't work out so well. Other forces may be more important this time -- I think they will be -- but that doesn't make Moore an idiot who can be safely ignored.

[Hav]

9. I hope you are right but I heard and felt the same in 2004

Bush barely won in 2000, in fact, he would have lost had all ballots been counted. And as President, he continued being the bumbling idiot. No way would he win reelection, I was sure. And then he won with a higher margin.

[localroger]

11. That is entirely down to 9/11 though

There has been no comparable event for Trump to bring in new supporters and quiet those who dislike him.

[Gore1FL]

21. That and Daschle and Gephardt racing to the White House to see who could cave about Iraq most. nt

[Demsrule86]

20. No it wasn't our friends the Greens and left left beat Kerry up during the primary...did not have

back even after he was nominated ...ridiculed him in fact so we lost...and they are at it again.

[Demsrule86]

29. Have you seen his rising approval ratings lately? And he has he power of incumbency. He will not

be easy to beat. And any who doubt this are simply wrong...we are in the fight of our lives...for the soul of our nation as Biden put it...I hope we can win. It is not a done deal by any means.

[mopinko]

31. i agree w you. he is stuck at 40%, and has only ever gotten a tiny bump for anything.

and i suspect even the base would get tired w/out the steady stream of venom.

personally, i think he is going to flip out. i am expecting him to resign once he see the witness list.

[DownriverDem]

13. Nice try

Focus on who will be voting in November 2020 and not the primaries. Know your voters or lose.

[zentrum]

16. Yup. I think...

.....centrism is very dangerous right now. I agree that Bernie is the one who can trounce Trump.

[Demsrule86]

22. Neither Bernie nor Elizabeth will beat Trump which is why he went after Biden.

I guess some want four more years of Trump rather than a candidate they did not support win the nomination and the white House...not you of course. Some should be careful what they wish for...as an emboldened lame duck Trump will be even more dangerous than now.

[abqtommy]

3. Since my clutching pearls are out for cleaning just let me say that we can't ignore ANY voters.

I'm no genie-us but that just makes sense to me. Can we do it? Hell yeah...

[Dennis Donovan]

5. Have a link for your supposition?

[whathehell]

7. He said no such thing, and you know it

He simply advised against voting for a moderate in the Primary, a position every Biden and Warren supporter would likely agree with

[DownriverDem]

14. I don't agree

What good does it do to have a candidate that can't win in November 2020? Focus on who will be voting in November 2020 and not the primaries. It's called political strategy and not just who I "like".

[Squinch]

8. Do, please, link to where Michael Moore said this or you risk being thought of as a low post-count

poster who puts up baseless divisive threads.

There's a word for it but it escapes me right now.

But let's see that link, huh?

[demmiblue]

10. Cool story, bro.

[mdbl]

12. Michael Moore correctly predicted the Trump election and,,,

tried to warn everyone. He deserves your attention, no matter what your right-wing hate radio A-holes like to say about him.

[still_one]

15. Really? He also predicted that McCain and Romney would win.

[mdbl]

17. Never heard that. Any links to news articles about that?

Thanks.

[still_one]

24. Moore, like financial analysts whose predictions are as accurate as a flip of a coin, would like

people to forget his missed analysis, and the media is only too happy to accommodate that perception


https://www.commondreams.org/news/2012/08/31/michael-moore-mitt-romney-will-win-november

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/how-the-democrats-can-blow-it-in-six-easy-steps-174120/

[mdbl]

33. Thanks for the info

The premise of the Common Dreams piece he wrote was "If Obama cannot replicate youth voter turnout and Romney continues to raise enormous amounts of cash, the American people should get used to the words, "President Romney".

I agree with that, even in hindsight.

In the Rolling Stone article he appears to be responding to a dis by Obama or his campaign, but basically encourages Obama to get more aggressive and progressive in his campaign.

In hindsight, I also agree with that. It doesn't make me want to bash him like some here seem to love to do.

[still_one]

37. He always puts in his "escape clause", even on this how "trump will win". He also went on his

usual publicity show appearances where he was more definitive, but I cannot find it now.

What he conveniently ignores is every swing state Hillary loss by less than 1%, and Jill Stein received 1% in those states.

It was close, and his so-called "prediction" was actually his usual, the "Democrats are going to lose unless they listen to me" nonesense

At the women's march he made an divisionary ass out of himself trying to spew his divisionary "anti-establishment" rant, until Ashley Judd cut him off right in the middle, and brought the focus back to unity and women. His predictions in that episode also proved wrong as the midterm elections demonstrated.

Why do some bash him? Because of what happened in 2000. When he said a vote for Gore is a vote for bush, and other places

He is NOT a uniting figure at all. The only thing he does is divide Democrats, and that is one thing we don't need in 2020

Obama did just fine in 2008 and 2012 without Mr. Moore's guidance

[Demsrule86]

23. Michael Moore is the little boy who cried wold...he has predicted a loss in every election that I

remember...mostly he promotes his worthless self. Fuck Moore and all like him...he and Stein helped give us Trump by their attacks on Hillary, the only Democrat who could stop Trump.

[still_one]

26. +++

[Demsrule86]

30. Thanks...

[Skidmore]

36. Flip side of that

is that Moore has a history of picking the wrong Democratic candidate and there is no reason to assume that he has gotten better at reading the goat entrails.

[George II]

18. He's an elitist that complains about elitists.

[Demsrule86]

19. But but you can take all voters for grant except under 35 voters...everyone else is more reliable

and will fall in line...only the under 35 vote matters and must be courted by giving them whatever they want. Of course not many of them vote regularly so it is likely we will lose a general, but at least they had a pure candidate. After all many of them equate not getting their candidate as the nominee as worse than losing a general and giving Trump four more years.

Today many breathlessly insist that Biden must honor a subpoena from slime-ball McConnell who along with the president has ignored any such documents when requested by Democrats. This would in fact help Trump in his bid to escape any justice and no doubt help Trump win a second term. But of course it might hurt Biden so some are more than good with that. The only words for this sort of behavior towards loyal allies and Vice President Biden is ....fucked up.

[RandiFan1290]

25. Welcome Back to DU

[saidsimplesimon]

27. You should also be careful about

taking your most loyal voters for granted.

That prospect was on my mind this morning after viewing a Stacey Abrams video urging Democrats to focus on voter suppression and registration.

[treestar]

28. heck now they demand the base cede

or they won't vote.

Moore was only happening to be right in 2016. He just got lucky, like Dotard did. No one expected it and his prediction was only being negative and he just happened to be right.

[jalan48]

32. Here's what Moore actually said in a recent interview.

"And so, our side has got to take this by the reins, and it’s got to have the courage of our convictions to fight this. And if we do this, then he won’t win the electoral states. Remember, Hillary only lost Michigan by two votes per precinct. That’s it. And it’s not because Lunch Bucket Joe stayed home, you know, or voted for Trump. It’s because the — when they talk about the working class, Amy, this just drives me crazy. “Oh, you know, Trump won all these working-class votes in Michigan and Pennsylvania.” No. What happened was, is that the Democratic Party didn’t stand up in the way that they should have for what the youth wanted, for what people of color needed. And there were 90,000 people in Michigan, almost 90,000, who went to the polls, mostly Democrats, in very large numbers of them, in Detroit, Flint, Pontiac, Saginaw — these are all black cities, majority black. They stood in line in the cold for two to three hours to vote. They went in there, and they voted for state rep, state Senate, county commission. We don’t have dog catcher. We have drain commissioner, the person in charge of the sewage. That’s the lowest name on the ballot. They stood there. They voted for the Democrats all down ballot and left the top box blank. She only lost Michigan by 10,000, 11,000 votes. Ninety thousand wanted to send a message to the Democratic Party: “You forgot us a long time ago out here, and we will not put up with this anymore. We’re not going to vote for Trump, but we’re not going to tolerate you sending us another Republican-lite Democrat.”


https://www.alternet.org/2019/12/michael-moore-explains-why-trump-could-win-in-2020-even-though-the-republican-party-is-dying/

[Squinch]

34. Why... that's the OPPOSITE of what the OP is saying he said!

[jalan48]

35. Interesting isn't it.