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James48

(4,436 posts)
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:07 AM Dec 2019

Here it comes: Get Ready for a Stop-Bernie Onslaught Like You've Never Seen

Beware. Because disparaging and minimizing Bernie in 2019 didn't work, the next step in 2020 will be to trash him with a vast array of full-bore attacks.
by Norman Solomon

A central premise of conventional media wisdom has collapsed. On Thursday, both the New York Times and Politico published major articles reporting that Bernie Sanders really could win the Democratic presidential nomination. Such acknowledgments will add to the momentum of the Bernie 2020 campaign as the new year begins—but they foreshadow a massive escalation of anti-Sanders misinformation and invective.

Throughout 2019, corporate media routinely asserted that the Sanders campaign had little chance of winning the nomination. As is so often the case, journalists were echoing each other more than paying attention to grassroots realities. But now, polling numbers and other indicators on the ground are finally sparking very different headlines from the media establishment.

"When the Bernie campaign wasn't being ignored by corporate media during 2019, innuendos and mud often flew in his direction. But we ain't seen nothing yet."
From the Times: “Why Bernie Sanders Is Tough to Beat.” From Politico: “Democratic Insiders: Bernie Could Win the Nomination.”

Those stories, and others likely to follow in copycat news outlets, will heighten the energies of Sanders supporters and draw in many wavering voters. But the shift in media narratives about the Bernie campaign’s chances will surely boost the decibels of alarm bells in elite circles where dousing the fires of progressive populism is a top priority.

For corporate Democrats and their profuse media allies, the approach of disparaging and minimizing Bernie Sanders in 2019 didn’t work. In 2020, the next step will be to trash him with a vast array of full-bore attacks.

More:

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/12/27/here-it-comes-get-ready-stop-bernie-onslaught-youve-never-seen

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Here it comes: Get Ready for a Stop-Bernie Onslaught Like You've Never Seen (Original Post) James48 Dec 2019 OP
There's Been An Onslaught All Right Me. Dec 2019 #1
well his friends say he is being blacklisted so is this attention an improvement lol nt msongs Dec 2019 #2
Is this the end of the "Bernie Blackout"? George II Dec 2019 #3
. Squinch Dec 2019 #4
Hey! sheshe2 Dec 2019 #27
Hey, sheshe! Happy Holidays to you and yours! Squinch Dec 2019 #63
Same to you sheshe2 Dec 2019 #68
What, exactly, is "corporate media"? The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #5
well being a multi millionaire is just getting harder and harder nt msongs Dec 2019 #6
I think this would be what is referred to as Corporate media. vsrazdem Dec 2019 #7
vsrazdem has it. That's it. PatrickforO Dec 2019 #12
Then they should be identified specifically - the Big Six or something like that. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #16
lazy, tendentious and meaningless. stopdiggin Dec 2019 #51
Why is it that Bernie is the only candidate with all these problems? RGinNJ Dec 2019 #8
It's a passtime for many around here. elleng Dec 2019 #18
Thats because he actually has no more problems than other candidates or in other words cstanleytech Dec 2019 #26
Because no one else is saying they will stand up to the billionaire class, except maybe Warren. rwsanders Dec 2019 #40
Because Bernie is the candidate the Corporate overlords most fear. Paka Dec 2019 #44
wait! two weeks ago it was Warren, right? (nt) stopdiggin Dec 2019 #52
They do fear her, but less than Bernie. Paka Dec 2019 #53
They're afraid of the same stump speech he's been giving for years? betsuni Dec 2019 #57
Because it's not a stump speech. Paka Dec 2019 #61
Bernie is entitled not to be vetted treestar Dec 2019 #66
lol boomer_wv Dec 2019 #9
Bazinga! sheshe2 Dec 2019 #28
Nailed it!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #33
commondreams -- out to defeat the Democratic party n/t PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #10
Norman Solomon is out to defeat the Democratic party? ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #19
Ha! NurseJackie Dec 2019 #11
A Barrage of "Gasp" Facts About Bernie Such As Sanders' Conflicts of Interest? TomCADem Dec 2019 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #14
Vetting is part of the process. Gothmog Dec 2019 #15
+1 TexasTowelie Dec 2019 #31
Who? enid602 Dec 2019 #17
You have been away for a long time ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #20
I stopped reading when I saw COMMON DREAMS... brooklynite Dec 2019 #21
Democratic primary voters will provide the stop-Bernie onslaught. DavidDvorkin Dec 2019 #22
Writing novels sounds like a perfect gig ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #24
Yes... thank goodness the voters are not going to nominate sanders Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #34
Magic 8 ball? ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #36
Goat entrails rwsanders Dec 2019 #41
My daughter and her friends cleansed the house one day with sage ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #42
We're ready alright... but, more importantly, BERNIE IS READY!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #23
Threats? SCVDem Dec 2019 #25
Who made a threat? ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #32
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #29
yawn.... Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #35
Post removed Post removed Dec 2019 #37
Caucuses squirecam Dec 2019 #38
So glad you are engaged with DU again ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #39
Nobody squirecam Dec 2019 #43
Sorry no joke ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #45
Welcome to DU, newbie! Hav Dec 2019 #56
Yes caucuses are unfair TheFarseer Dec 2019 #59
I guess it depends. David__77 Dec 2019 #30
Well, I just try to remain positive here mvd Dec 2019 #46
People here defending the rich are quite distressing ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #47
Not only does Bernie have the best ideas, BUT HE ACTUALLY WILL KEEP HIS PROMISES & CARRY THEM OUT!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #49
If elected, Bernie will CALL FOR many things. Justs like he has for 30 years. But he's Squinch Dec 2019 #64
Not without a democratic congress treestar Dec 2019 #67
Hang on, a few days ago you were complaining MSM were ignoring BS !!! OnDoutside Dec 2019 #48
I'd relish some Coleslaw with that Onslaught, please. NBachers Dec 2019 #50
I'm ready for it!! Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #54
sorry... chillfactor Dec 2019 #55
So dramatic! betsuni Dec 2019 #58
"Like you've never seen" is a Trumpism dawg day Dec 2019 #60
Many, many trumpisms in the messaging. Bernie is not well served by those doing his messaging. Squinch Dec 2019 #65
The victimization syndrome is really getting tiresome Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #62
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
1. There's Been An Onslaught All Right
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:10 AM
Dec 2019
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msongs

(67,413 posts)
2. well his friends say he is being blacklisted so is this attention an improvement lol nt
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:11 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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George II

(67,782 posts)
3. Is this the end of the "Bernie Blackout"?
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:12 AM
Dec 2019
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Squinch

(50,955 posts)
63. Hey, sheshe! Happy Holidays to you and yours!
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:42 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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sheshe2

(83,789 posts)
68. Same to you
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:03 PM
Dec 2019

😀

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
5. What, exactly, is "corporate media"?
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:15 AM
Dec 2019

Would that be any media outlet that is organized as a corporation? -Which all of them are, down to the lowliest little weekly shopper's newspaper or low-wattage AM radio station. Almost all businesses are corporations or similar organizations (LLCs or LLPs). If you own a business of any kind and don't organize it as separate entity from your personal finances you're just stupid. So, how big does your media corporation have to be before it automatically becomes evil? You know, by oppressing the proletariat and not giving due deference to Bernie?

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msongs

(67,413 posts)
6. well being a multi millionaire is just getting harder and harder nt
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:20 AM
Dec 2019
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vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
7. I think this would be what is referred to as Corporate media.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:22 AM
Dec 2019

By 2000, six corporations had ownership of most media, and today five dominate the industry: Time Warner, Disney, Murdoch's News Corporation, Bertelsmann of Germany and Viacom.


Who Owns the Media?
With the country’s widest disseminators of news, commentary and ideas firmly entrenched among a small number of the world’s wealthiest corporations, it may not be surprising that their news and commentary is limited to an unrepresentative narrow spectrum of politics.
––Ben Bagdikian, former dean of the Graduate School of Journalism, UC Berkeley


Like all reliable watchdogs, the media are expected to bark, but when its many-faceted voice is owned by a small number of corporate masters, concerns about its willingness to keep barking arise.

The trend of media conglomeration has been steady. In 1983, 50 corporations controlled most of the American media, including magazines, books, music, news feeds, newspapers, movies, radio and television. By 1992 that number had dropped by half. By 2000, six corporations had ownership of most media, and today five dominate the industry: Time Warner, Disney, Murdoch's News Corporation, Bertelsmann of Germany and Viacom. With markets branching rapidly into international territories, these few companies are increasingly responsible for deciding what information is shared around the world.

There are also major news organizations not owned by the “big five.” The New York Times is owned by the publicly-held New York Times Corporation, The Washington Post is owned by the publicly-held Washington Post Company and The Chicago Tribune and Los Angeles Times are both owned by the Tribune Company. Hearst Publications owns 12 newspapers including the San Francisco Chronicle, as well as magazines, television stations and cable and interactive media.

But even those publications are subject to the conglomerate machine, and many see the “corporatizing” of media as an alarming trend. Ben Bagdikian, Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, former Dean of the Graduate School of Journalism at UC Berkeley and author of The New Media Monopoly, describes the five media giants as a “cartel” that wields enough influence to change U.S. politics and define social values.

Internet Ownership

Originally, the Internet was the champion of free thinkers, embraced as a liberating force from corporate owned media. But over time even online news sites joined radio, television, newspapers and magazines as properties of the small handful of media conglomerates.

In raw numbers, 80 percent of the top 20 online news sites are owned by the 100 largest media companies. Time Warner owns two of the most visited sites: CNN.com and AOL News, while Gannett, which is the twelfth largest media company, owns USAToday.com along with many local online newspapers.

What we should be most concerned about, Bagdikian says, is the narrowing of choices, because that removes from voters the full spectrum of views and information with which to choose its government—a dangerous trend that threatens democracy itself.

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PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
12. vsrazdem has it. That's it.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:26 AM
Dec 2019

The corporate media in this discussion are the six major corporations that own virtually all of our national (and most local) media.

We cannot forget Sinclair Group, though. They own a boatload of local stations and they are right wing-nuts.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
16. Then they should be identified specifically - the Big Six or something like that.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:35 AM
Dec 2019

All media organizations are corporate, including the independent ones; using the term "corporate" as a pejorative when it's nothing more than a description of the business' mode of organization is lazy, tendentious and meaningless.

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stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
51. lazy, tendentious and meaningless.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 05:02 AM
Dec 2019

EVERY ... SINGLE ... WORD ..

thank you!

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RGinNJ

(1,021 posts)
8. Why is it that Bernie is the only candidate with all these problems?
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:24 AM
Dec 2019

I never see these types of threads about anyone else.

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elleng

(130,966 posts)
18. It's a passtime for many around here.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:42 AM
Dec 2019

'Welcome'

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cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
26. Thats because he actually has no more problems than other candidates or in other words
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 01:08 AM
Dec 2019

people will post both pro stories of people they support and con ones for those they do not.
To me though all that matters is making sure Trump does not get a 2nd chance at continuing doing Putins bidding to weaken the US and that means I will fully and completely support whoever wins the Democratic nomination.

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rwsanders

(2,605 posts)
40. Because no one else is saying they will stand up to the billionaire class, except maybe Warren.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:09 AM
Dec 2019
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Paka

(2,760 posts)
44. Because Bernie is the candidate the Corporate overlords most fear.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:24 AM
Dec 2019

He is the one candidate that they cannot control. He is not bribable. He has been pushing the same agenda for over forty years has has not caved.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
52. wait! two weeks ago it was Warren, right? (nt)
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 05:05 AM
Dec 2019
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Paka

(2,760 posts)
53. They do fear her, but less than Bernie.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 05:50 AM
Dec 2019

They feel in a pinch, they can work with her, but not with Bernie. She is pliable. Bernie doesn't abandon what he believes in.

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betsuni

(25,537 posts)
57. They're afraid of the same stump speech he's been giving for years?
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 06:37 AM
Dec 2019
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Paka

(2,760 posts)
61. Because it's not a stump speech.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:05 AM
Dec 2019

It's who he is. It's what he believes in. It's what the values of our Democracy stand for and he has a moral compass that won't let him give in to corporate forces that want to push him off goal. He is not fighting for himself, he is fighting for "We the People!"

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
66. Bernie is entitled not to be vetted
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:33 AM
Dec 2019

or opposed, while it is OK for Bernie to vet Biden and oppose him.

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boomer_wv

(673 posts)
9. lol
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:24 AM
Dec 2019

Last weeks complaint: "THE MEDIA WON'T TALK ABOUT BERNIE!!!!"

Todays complaint: "THE MEDIA IS TALKING ABOUT BERNIE!!!!!"

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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
10. commondreams -- out to defeat the Democratic party n/t
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:24 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
19. Norman Solomon is out to defeat the Democratic party?
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:42 AM
Dec 2019

Do you know anything about the man?

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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
13. A Barrage of "Gasp" Facts About Bernie Such As Sanders' Conflicts of Interest?
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:30 AM
Dec 2019

We understand Bernie Sanders's strategy of preemptively attacking the media as biased the way Trump has routinely attacked the media has worked in enabling him to get a free pass. While Republicans happily pursue conspiracy theories against Biden, and wine cave fundraiser are the focus of a debates, and Elizabeth Warren gets pressed about financing Medicare for All, Bernie is able to avoid such scrutiny even as his campaign complains about media bias.

For example, we have yet to hear a substantive response form Bernie or his campaign about conflicts of interest arising from contracts negotiated between Burlington and a school headed by Bernie's step daughter Carina Driscoll. Carina Driscoll, of course, has followed her step father into politics, and was funded and endorsed by Bernie's SuperPAC, Our Revolution, notwithstanding Bernie's statement that, “In our family, however, we do not believe in dynastic politics."

These are facts and statements that Bernie's campaign has been able to avoid addressing.

I understand that you are trying to inoculate the faithful, but lets have some actual factual discussion, rather than complaining about bias as a means of avoiding inconvenient facts.

https://vtdigger.org/2017/06/13/one-family-two-schools-questions-swirl-around-another-sanders-deal/

While one deal struck by Jane O’Meara Sanders during her time as Burlington College’s president has triggered a federal investigation, another arrangement she engineered is breeding claims of nepotism and allegations of veiled threats against her husband’s presidential campaign. The bad blood centers on the relationship the college forged with the Vermont Woodworking School, co-founded and run by Sanders’ daughter, Carina Driscoll.

* * *

Moore is equally critical of a deal Jane Sanders brokered between the college and Driscoll’s Vermont Woodworking School, a facility in Franklin County where Burlington College students took courses. In interviews with VTDigger, Moore said the college got the short end of the stick.

“This was a sweetheart deal for Carina Driscoll, Jane Sanders’ daughter,” said Moore. Driscoll is the stepdaughter of Bernie Sanders.

Moore served as the college’s president from 2014 until May 2016, when the school abruptly shut down.
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Gothmog

(145,312 posts)
15. Vetting is part of the process.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:34 AM
Dec 2019

It is proper and appropriate for sanders to be vetted

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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
20. You have been away for a long time
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:43 AM
Dec 2019

Explains your confusion.

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Undecided
 

brooklynite

(94,592 posts)
21. I stopped reading when I saw COMMON DREAMS...
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:44 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
22. Democratic primary voters will provide the stop-Bernie onslaught.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:48 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
24. Writing novels sounds like a perfect gig
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:53 AM
Dec 2019

Good luck!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Thekaspervote

(32,774 posts)
34. Yes... thank goodness the voters are not going to nominate sanders
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 02:01 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
36. Magic 8 ball?
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 02:03 AM
Dec 2019

My children love those things!

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rwsanders

(2,605 posts)
41. Goat entrails
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:12 AM
Dec 2019

Humans have not progressed beyond the need for prognosticators, no matter what form of voodoo is used.
As much as I like and miss Keith Olbermann, I realized one day that 80% of his broadcast was trying to predict the future.

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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
42. My daughter and her friends cleansed the house one day with sage
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:20 AM
Dec 2019

My sister came over and we farted the room clean of that nonsense! Bring back the golden calf!

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
23. We're ready alright... but, more importantly, BERNIE IS READY!!
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 12:52 AM
Dec 2019

And we got your back Bernie!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

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SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
25. Threats?
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 01:07 AM
Dec 2019

Vote Bernie or his Bros. will eff up your campaigns?

Where is this going?

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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
32. Who made a threat?
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 01:53 AM
Dec 2019

Off topic but Go Lions!

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
38. Caucuses
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 02:48 AM
Dec 2019

Are un Democratic. Without them he would have lost by even more delegates and votes.

Luckily, Bernie won’t be the nominee this time either. I don’t need to see a nominee who hates democrats being the leader of the Democratic Party.

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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
39. So glad you are engaged with DU again
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:08 AM
Dec 2019

Worried. You were away a very long time.

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squirecam

(2,706 posts)
43. Nobody
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:23 AM
Dec 2019

Cares about your lame repetitive joke that isn’t funny or accurate.

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ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
45. Sorry no joke
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:27 AM
Dec 2019

I love seeing OG DU posters. You are mighty defensive.

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
56. Welcome to DU, newbie!
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 06:34 AM
Dec 2019

I hope you like it here!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TheFarseer

(9,323 posts)
59. Yes caucuses are unfair
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 06:52 AM
Dec 2019

And I’m glad more states are going away from them, but most of the caucus states Sanders did well in were Midwest states you would expect him to do well in. Given that caucuses have much lower turnout than primaries, you could argue that caucuses hurt his vote total relative to Secretary Clinton. Of course it’s speculation either way.

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David__77

(23,420 posts)
30. I guess it depends.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 01:33 AM
Dec 2019

We shall see!

The important thing in the primary is to build the progressive movement which will include defeating Trump next year.

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mvd

(65,174 posts)
46. Well, I just try to remain positive here
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:38 AM
Dec 2019

The attacks on Bernie won’t make me think less of him. So I try to just say his positives without bashing the other candidates overly much. He has the best ideas and with what the rich and big corporations are getting away with, there’s a lot out there to use. And I am fine with some debt if is is put to a great cause.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
47. People here defending the rich are quite distressing
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 03:43 AM
Dec 2019

I come from a wealthy family, and it is heartbreaking what they get away with.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
49. Not only does Bernie have the best ideas, BUT HE ACTUALLY WILL KEEP HIS PROMISES & CARRY THEM OUT!!!
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 04:34 AM
Dec 2019

All this TALK about how this candidate or that one supports this or that plank in the party platform is nice... but Bernie is the one We The People trust to actually PROMOTE those ideas and lead on pushing for legislation that will actually bring those ideas to fruition.

IN BERNIE WE TRUST, which is why he'll win the Democratic nomination and, as President, he will make us ALL proud!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
64. If elected, Bernie will CALL FOR many things. Justs like he has for 30 years. But he's
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:46 AM
Dec 2019

an entrenched part of the establishment (see the above referenced 30 years) who is, as far as I can see, much less legislatively effective than most of his Congressional competition. (Note: "CALLING FOR things does not actually do anything.)

Also, his followers are often completely dishonest in their messaging and seem to be taking a page from the trump cult in their messaging methods. In reality, those dishonest followers are probably responsible for a lot of people distrusting the candidate himself, and they do him more harm than good.

He's not my first choice, and as he is not well served by his bros, I doubt he'll be nominated, but I'll vote for him if he is.

I'll vote for a rotting fish head if it is nominated against trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
67. Not without a democratic congress
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 11:35 AM
Dec 2019

equal in numbers to that of 1935.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
48. Hang on, a few days ago you were complaining MSM were ignoring BS !!!
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 04:31 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

NBachers

(17,119 posts)
50. I'd relish some Coleslaw with that Onslaught, please.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 04:36 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

chillfactor

(7,576 posts)
55. sorry...
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 06:23 AM
Dec 2019

never have been and never will be a Bernie supporter......he is NOT a Democrat but just "became one" to enter the race. He simply disgusts me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
58. So dramatic!
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 06:42 AM
Dec 2019

Horseradish.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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dawg day

(7,947 posts)
60. "Like you've never seen" is a Trumpism
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 07:43 AM
Dec 2019

Can we stop with the bombast?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
65. Many, many trumpisms in the messaging. Bernie is not well served by those doing his messaging.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 09:53 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
62. The victimization syndrome is really getting tiresome
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 08:21 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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