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Related: About this forumBiden says he would not comply with a Senate subpoena in the impeachment trial of Trump
Former Vice President Joe Biden confirmed Friday he would not comply with a subpoena to testify in a Senate trial of President Donald Trump.
Leaders in the Democratically controlled House and Republican leadership in the GOP-controlled U.S. Senate are trying to come to terms for an impeachment trial. Biden said in early December he wouldnt comply with a subpoena by the Senate, and confirmed that statement Friday in an interview with the Des Moines Registers editorial board. He has not been subpoenaed, but Trump's allies have floated the idea.
Biden said even if he volunteered to testify in an attempt to clear the air, it would create a media narrative that would let Trump off the hook.
What are you going to cover? Biden said to Register Executive Editor Carol Hunter in response to a question. You guys are going to cover for three weeks anything that I said. And (Trumps) going to get away. You guys buy into it all the time. Not a joke Think what its about. It's all about what he does all the time, his entire career. Take the focus off. This guy violated the Constitution. He said it in the driveway of the White House. He acknowledged he asked for help.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)And he answers the questions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,043 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)And there's nothing wrong with Biden demanding witnesses and a fair trial. All the candidates should.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,043 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)It would have been a better response.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to John Fante (Reply #38)
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Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,322 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
machI
(1,285 posts)Don't give a inch to the authoritarian rule in the Senate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)Why should he give them the satisfaction of acceding to their demands after all the stonewalling from the other side.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,043 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)I do not like that the Senate is doing this. Everything about it is wrong. What makes Biden diffferent from all the Trumpco's refusing a subpoena in the house?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,303 posts)to anything in the articles of impeachment.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TomSlick
(11,100 posts)but witnesses - at least normal witnesses - don't get to decide if their testimony is material.
I get it, calling VP Biden as a witness would be a sham but he ought not - once and for all - establish that subpoenas can be ignored by the powerful.
If we argue that it is not acceptable for Trump's co-conspirators to ignore subpoenas, it is equally unacceptable for Democrats to ignore subpoenas.
I would expect the House managers to object to irrelevant questions. I would also expect the Chief Justice to sustain objections to irrelevant questions. I am not convinced a majority of the Senate would override such a ruling. If they did, the stink will be obvious and impossible to wash away.
If we believe in the Rule of Law, it must apply to everyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)he ought not - once and for all - establish that subpoenas can be ignored by the powerful.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TomSlick
(11,100 posts)I hope that if VP Biden is issued a subpoena, he will consult with counsel before making a decision.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)What you say is very true, right on. I would love for Biden to reconsider. I would love for him to make the points of how wrong it is that Republicans are taking it in this directions. But, a subpoena should be upheld and we need the next President of the United States understanding this very simple concept.
I do not want to reinforce Trumps behavior as new norms. Our nation can not afford this.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TomSlick
(11,100 posts)I am not interested in a pollyannish "high road." My interest is the rule of law. If no one is above the law, then everyone is subject to the law. Adherence to core principles means doing the right thing even when it is inconvenient or unpopular.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)It seems so clear I ponder the controversy. Even Biden's people saw there was not controversy with the wrong of Biden's statement having him clarify today. Though even that fell a bit short, nonetheless.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)The turd and his republican enablers have already re-set the rules. We continue to get screwed when we refuse to use their tactics.
Biden would be stupid to give them ready made campaign ads, which is EXACTLY what they would use his testimony for. They already have a set of questions for him and Hunter, tailor made to imply they were on the take. Never mind that "board members" selected for name recognition may typically meet once or twice a year, and get paid (relatively) large sums. It happens all the time, yet this will be framed to be conclusive proof that Joe and Hunter were corrupt and out for the cash. (it's all about the Ukraine corruption, which RUDY wanted to exploit for propaganda purposes, and so he could get his Texan buddies that sweetheart deal worth BILLIONS)
Yet Don Jr got 50,000 for a 90 minute campus event at the University of Florida. He knows nothing, has no skills in anything, is totally useless, but he has the name. None of the turd supporters think twice about that.
Biden would be a fool to help them out.
And Dems will be fools if they continue to "take the high road" when they have already been forced into the gutter. FUCK the high road. Just get the job done.
Americans will respect whomever will tell them the truth, AS LONG AS IT IS THE TRUTH. We can handle it. We are thirsty for it. Hemming and hawing about it, dancing around it, trying to "spin" it, won't get it.
The truth will set us free.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)It makes Biden no better. Pelosi is not handing over the impeachment with their already set circumstances. HRC sat for 11 hours on bogus bullshit trumped up by Republicans. She did not simply ignore the subpoena.
Biden does this and we did fall in republicans trap of making it both parties do it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onetexan
(13,043 posts)Joe is correct not to be a part of the circus theyre settin up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onetexan
(13,043 posts)And give the rethugs opp to smear him. Bad idea.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)Not following the law gives them lots of ammunition. The truth of it is Biden has to deal with this Ukraine issue running as president, in our primary. He has no choice now. He has to. He does not get to opt out. So, how Presidential can he be in resolving this issue?
Ignoring a subpoena?
No.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onetexan
(13,043 posts)Get your facts straight
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)be breaking laws, rules, procedures and the conversation should be moot. I have not heard that when served, there are conditions when a person is not "obligated".
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onetexan
(13,043 posts)That would not hold up in court. End of story.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lexee
(377 posts)I am not a lawyer and do not know much about subpoenas seeing how I have never been served and I do not know what my entitlements or rights are.
He is running for President of the United States. He is going to have to figure out a better way to address this issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Aaron Pereira
(383 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samnsara
(17,622 posts)..finally did after a lot of bitching from me. He messaged and then blocked a long time college friend who sent him an offensive pelosi cartoon.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
boomer_wv
(673 posts)Considering that the only reason Republicans would bring him in to testify would be to turn the entire thing into a circus and try to damage him in the process.
He has nothing to add to the case. He wasn't present for any of the event outlined in the articles.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(90,714 posts)...hauling Joe in there would "show Trump" -- what the hell are you smoking? Exactly what would it "show" Trump except that his tactics work yet again? Where were you when Trump ran his 2015 - 2016 campign and destroyed every GOP competitor with lies and smears?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gulliver
(13,186 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hekate
(90,714 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gulliver
(13,186 posts)If the House or Senate call him to be a witness in impeachment, he has to testify. All Americans, in my understanding of the Constitution, must comply with impeachment document and testimony demands, and have no right whatsoever to refuse under any circumstances or for any reason other than the Fifth Amendment.
By the same token, Trump, Mulvaney, Bolton, Pompeo, etc., have no recourse but to testify either. In my view, there is no limit to what the House and Senate can demand for evidence, and it can't be questioned, nor is it up to the Judiciary to decide. Impeachment is a root account access privilege.
Perhaps Biden is trying to get the Senate to issue him a subpoena, hoping he wouldn't comply. Then he would comply.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
onetexan
(13,043 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)in a hypothetical Watergate trial. Completely ridiculous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopbush
(24,396 posts)The Rs may as well subpoena a few DUers for good measure. We are as relevant to tRumps impeachment as Biden...which is to say irrelevant.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Deb
(3,742 posts)Reporting on the hypothetical, people actually get paid for that?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden