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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

StrictlyRockers

(3,855 posts)
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 04:43 PM Dec 2019

Bernie Sanders is not only back, he has the best shot at the nomination right now

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/12/13/bernie-sanders-not-only-back-has-best-shot-nomination-right-now/R1OTwAuVJnV8IZ1COQp5UP/story.html

In the most recent Suffolk University/Boston Globe poll of likely New Hampshire Democratic primary voters, released in late November, found that 64 percent of Sanders voters said their minds are firmly made up to support him.



Compare that with the 37 percent of Biden supporters, 36 percent of Warren supporters, and 30 percent of Buttigieg supporters who said they fully backed their candidate.



With such a base of support and such a large field, Sanders was always going to be a factor of some kind.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Bernie Sanders is not only back, he has the best shot at the nomination right now (Original Post) StrictlyRockers Dec 2019 OP
lmao PhoenixDem Dec 2019 #1
Oh, Lord. DavidDvorkin Dec 2019 #2
That article is two weeks old. The polls referred to were taken prior to Harris dropping out.... George II Dec 2019 #3
Thx for the delegate number breakdown of the first 4 states. Then comes Super Tuesday which will Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #11
Bernie math still_one Dec 2019 #17
Oh got it... I will start using bernie math Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #20
Biden is ahead in these BIG states - California, Texas, and Florida. George II Dec 2019 #22
The primaries really can't come fast enough... bearsfootball516 Dec 2019 #4
Even Nate Silver has stated recently that Bernie has a "definite" shot at winning the nomination ritapria Dec 2019 #5
Listened to the Nate Silver YouTube clip about sanders. No where is 30% mentioned Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #15
I agree Nate has an Anti-Bernie bias, but even he cant deny Bernie's high chance of comin out on top InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #34
"Joe Biden is more resilient than anybody thought he would be including myself." Gothmog Dec 2019 #6
Resilient, durable, electable, liked, sincere, has been a full time dem unlike the part time dem Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #8
RCP avg Biden 28.1 sanders 18.0.Latest Emerson poll Biden 30 sanders 17 Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #7
All have a shot at it, some longer than others. Sanders' poor support... brush Dec 2019 #9
His strength is is mostly white caucus or open primary states..... George II Dec 2019 #14
Yep, there are so many threads hyping him lately you'd think it was 2016. brush Dec 2019 #18
How will sanders win the nomination without support from African American voters? Gothmog Dec 2019 #10
Umhhh... magic beads, unicorns, lucky charms??!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #16
I still do not understand how sanders' revolution works Gothmog Dec 2019 #21
Excellent points!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #24
What's going on? 8% here, and we know this is a node for Hortensis Dec 2019 #12
Yes!! See post #7 for several new polls. Sanders numbers are abysmal Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #19
Yes and credible. Those support the messages the voters Hortensis Dec 2019 #25
Worrisome..in many respects! The good news it hasn't been effective Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #29
only in your dreams.....n/t chillfactor Dec 2019 #13
Good gawd, man.. Cha Dec 2019 #23
What Have All These BS People Been Smoking? Me. Dec 2019 #26
One certainly has to wonder. No matter how they word it it doesn't change the numbers Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #30
No matter How Much they Push. Cha Dec 2019 #32
Haaaaaa! NurseJackie Dec 2019 #27
The thing that I find most disgusting about Trumpers is how they will take a small fact, Squinch Dec 2019 #28
Nope. cwydro Dec 2019 #31
New Hampshire will be his high water mark calguy Dec 2019 #33
Bernie Sanders Drops 7 Points In 2 Weeks With Early State Voters Gothmog Dec 2019 #35
"...64 percent of Sanders voters said their minds are firmly made up to support him. " myohmy2 Dec 2019 #36
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. That article is two weeks old. The polls referred to were taken prior to Harris dropping out....
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 04:57 PM
Dec 2019

....and prior to his mediocre performance at the debate last week.

The fact is the only early state where he's leading is in his neighboring state, NH, and that by a razor thin margin. He's far behind in Nevada and close to being off the board in South Carolina.

Of the 155 delegates up for grabs in those four states he'll be lucky to get as many as 40.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,794 posts)
11. Thx for the delegate number breakdown of the first 4 states. Then comes Super Tuesday which will
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:37 PM
Dec 2019

Give Biden a huge lead.

I do not understand how the numbers could be interpreted into a win for sanders!!

But ya know... magic beads, unicorns 🦄...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,794 posts)
20. Oh got it... I will start using bernie math
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:49 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
22. Biden is ahead in these BIG states - California, Texas, and Florida.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:52 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
4. The primaries really can't come fast enough...
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 04:59 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
5. Even Nate Silver has stated recently that Bernie has a "definite" shot at winning the nomination
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:06 PM
Dec 2019

He is no fan of Bernie whatsoever …..I believe Nate prefers Biden - though he has not stated so explicitly .. Even though I support Bernie I try to keep it real ….He has about a 30% chance of taking the prize ...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Thekaspervote

(32,794 posts)
15. Listened to the Nate Silver YouTube clip about sanders. No where is 30% mentioned
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:43 PM
Dec 2019

Link to something!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
34. I agree Nate has an Anti-Bernie bias, but even he cant deny Bernie's high chance of comin out on top
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 01:08 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
6. "Joe Biden is more resilient than anybody thought he would be including myself."
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:14 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,794 posts)
8. Resilient, durable, electable, liked, sincere, has been a full time dem unlike the part time dem
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:32 PM
Dec 2019

Currently running.

Agree totally with the tweet..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,794 posts)
7. RCP avg Biden 28.1 sanders 18.0.Latest Emerson poll Biden 30 sanders 17
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:28 PM
Dec 2019

And there’s this

Sanders got 40% of Democratic Primary vote in '16, he's running half that this time. Even if he got 100% of Warren's support, he'd still be behind his '16 vote total. Thehill.com

And this
#NEW South Carolina @YouGov Poll:

Biden 40%
Sanders 14%
Buttigieg11%
Warren 10%
Steyer 7%
Gabbard 5%
Yang 3%
Booker/Klobuchar 2%
Delaney/Patrick/Bloomberg 1%

And this

Unlike Monmouth earlier, the new Quinnipiac national Dem poll does have a breakout among black voters:

Biden 51%
Sanders 13%
Warren 12%
Bloomberg 4%
Buttigieg 2%
Klobuchar 2%
Steyer 2%
Yang 2%
Booker 1%
Delaney 1%
Williamson 1%

poll.qu.edu/images/polling…
NO nominee, not even a part time democrat wins without the AA voters on board
And this


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He has no clear path to the nomination... thank goodness!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brush

(53,871 posts)
9. All have a shot at it, some longer than others. Sanders' poor support...
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:33 PM
Dec 2019

from black voters and other POCs make Sanders a longer shot than Biden's.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. His strength is is mostly white caucus or open primary states.....
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:41 PM
Dec 2019

He performs dreadfully in closed primary states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

brush

(53,871 posts)
18. Yep, there are so many threads hyping him lately you'd think it was 2016.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:47 PM
Dec 2019

Bernie Bros coming soon?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
10. How will sanders win the nomination without support from African American voters?
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:34 PM
Dec 2019

I seriously doubt that sanders will be the nominee.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,794 posts)
16. Umhhh... magic beads, unicorns, lucky charms??!!
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:45 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
21. I still do not understand how sanders' revolution works
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:49 PM
Dec 2019

I keep wondering how this revolution works in the real world. In theory, so many new voters well magically appear and these new voters will force the GOP to be reasonable and to adopt sanders' proposals. How many new voters are required to do this? In 2018, the Democrats got 9 million more votes compared to the GOP and so far the GOP has not become more reasonable. Where will these new voters come from? If these new voters exist, why are they not showing up in the polling?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,794 posts)
24. Excellent points!!
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:55 PM
Dec 2019

It isn’t magic... it’s math and the numbers don’t ad up for sanders

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. What's going on? 8% here, and we know this is a node for
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:38 PM
Dec 2019

a small but passionate group of his followers.

Seriously.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,794 posts)
19. Yes!! See post #7 for several new polls. Sanders numbers are abysmal
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:47 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. Yes and credible. Those support the messages the voters
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:03 PM
Dec 2019

sent in the midterms. The Sanders' "surge" data smell, and only fools would forget what happened in 2016 OR IGNORE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN 2019.

WaPo: Inside the Russian effort to target Sanders supporters — and help elect Trump Two-pronged: Promotion of Sanders as a weapon, poison messages about Hillary/Democrats intended to suppress the vote for Democrats.

BusinessInsider: Russia's effort to convince Bernie Sanders voters to support Trump was 'central' to their strategy to beat Hillary Clinton, according to a new study

Newsweek: TULSI GABBARD SAYS HILLARY CLINTON'S RUSSIA REMARK 'HAS HURT ME' IN DEMOCRATIC RACE

Of course! That is what we would expect. Republicans are grateful to Putin. NOT Democrats.

Media report that Sanders now has an awesome database and a social media operation, better than anyone but Trump's, that completely bypasses the free press to deliver Sanders' campaign messages via many millions of computers directly to his potentially hundreds of millions of targets. And Russia's not being reported on.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,794 posts)
29. Worrisome..in many respects! The good news it hasn't been effective
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:14 PM
Dec 2019

Dem voters remember 2016 and don’t want a repeat

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chillfactor

(7,584 posts)
13. only in your dreams.....n/t
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:39 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Cha

(297,692 posts)
23. Good gawd, man..
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 05:53 PM
Dec 2019

No.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
26. What Have All These BS People Been Smoking?
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:05 PM
Dec 2019



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,794 posts)
30. One certainly has to wonder. No matter how they word it it doesn't change the numbers
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:17 PM
Dec 2019

And those numbers do not add up to a win for sanders

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,692 posts)
32. No matter How Much they Push.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:20 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(51,015 posts)
28. The thing that I find most disgusting about Trumpers is how they will take a small fact,
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:11 PM
Dec 2019

blow it up with ridiculous amounts of hyperbole into something unrecognizable and untrue, then repeat it over and over and over again as if it is a fact.

It's so dishonest, and so craven, and so creepy.

Don't you agree?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

calguy

(5,326 posts)
33. New Hampshire will be his high water mark
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:42 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,567 posts)
35. Bernie Sanders Drops 7 Points In 2 Weeks With Early State Voters
Mon Dec 30, 2019, 11:28 PM
Dec 2019



Support for Sanders has fallen seven points among Democratic primary voters in Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire or South Carolina since our last survey conducted before the Democratic presidential debate on Dec. 19, as front-runner and former Vice President Joe Biden opens up a 16-point gap over the Vermont senator with those early-state voters.

– At a respective 32% and 21% in this latest tracking poll, the standings of Biden and Sanders are essentially unchanged among Democratic primary voters nationwide since early February.

– Buttigieg has risen from virtual obscurity in February to sit at 8% nationally, and while Warren has seen her support fall in recent months, her five-point increase since February places her as a top candidate.....

The negative view is that Sen. Sanders has a high floor for his support, but he also appears to have firm ceiling on how high he can go. Pete Buttigieg has taken away voters who might be looking for a non-Biden option, and Elizabeth Warren has taken voters on the left who in 2016 went to Sanders by default. Buttigieg Warren and are equally well funded and they will be in the primary for the long term. If Sanders doesn’t win early, there is a chance that he doesn’t win at all.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

myohmy2

(3,176 posts)
36. "...64 percent of Sanders voters said their minds are firmly made up to support him. "
Tue Dec 31, 2019, 01:15 AM
Dec 2019

...that's because most people I know see Bernie as the best candidate to tackle the many problems we have with Progressive solutions that work...

...people are fed up with meaningless babble and campaign bullshit that no one believes...people are no longer willing to seek their reward only in the hereafter, they want a new beginning and a fair shake right now...

...only Bernie is prepared and capable of delivering the systemic change we so desperately need...

...people don't want to support a candidate supported by people that screw them...

...no good will ever come of it...

If I were to vote in a presidential
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