Bernie Sanders Now Leads All Other Democrats in Hypothetical Match-Up Vs. Trump

[Autumn]

Whether we like it or not, horse race season is upon us, and that means pundits and voters and candidates will increasingly be asking a simple question: Which Democrat has the best chance against Trump? The numbers have fluctuated throughout the primary, but in the latest Reuters/Ipsos poll, it’s Bernie Sanders who has the best hypothetical numbers against the president:



Sanders and Biden are both +4 in the hypothetical match-up, but it's Sanders who attracts the most voters. It's all within the margin of error still, but these results are good enough to put the lie to the idea that Sanders' ideas somehow make him unelectable. Sanders and Biden both lead Warren, who holds a +2 margin over Trump, While Bloomberg is +1 and Buttigieg (-1) is the only likely nominee who trails Trump.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2019/12/sanders-leads-against-trump.html?fbclid=IwAR3y2Qcpvvs3WkCmzM1CAxVCiAmWsgP0aXjJk26OYbVxcpmjNEpNHA7q4s0

Link to tweet

[PoliticAverse]

1. Reminder: We don't elect Presidents by national popular vote. n/t

[thesquanderer]

30. Polling also shows Sanders doing well against Trump in MI, WI, and PA. (n/t)

[sandensea]

2. Can you imagine a Bernie/Cheeto debate?

Now, that would be...

[George II]

3. Key word: HYPOTHETICAL!

[ehrnst]

4. By a highly biased music/entertainment magazine.

But I guess one grasps for victories where one can.

[sheshe2]

10. Speaking of music.

I loved Peter Allen. He wrote this beautiful tribite to his wife, Liza Minelli.

I saw him many of times on stage. Yep, I am old.

[thesquanderer]

28. Every head-to-head poll against Trump is hypothetical until we know who the nominee is. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

43. Unless under the Bernie Standard it shows Biden "non-hypotheticly" leading against the PEE-resident

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[msongs]

5. poll shows both biden and bernie with +4 leads so the OP title is false nt

[Me.]

6. Aaah

This must be exaggerated OP about BS day

[TexasTowelie]

41. Exactly, but you know...

This is also the first poll that I've read that indicates that the Democratic candidate has the same margin of victory over Trump in a hypothetical matchup. Every other poll shows Biden with a larger margin of victory.

[ritapria]

7. That is not what the media tell us

They constantly say that Bernie doesn't have a chance …...That he is a far out leftist radical …..They don't have any data to back up this claim yet repeat it endlessly … Why ? …. The talking heads get paid enormous sums of money to act as guardians of the status quo …..They know where their bread is buttered and the rest of us are supposed to settle for breadcrumbs - and gratefully so …

[msongs]

8. first he is in a media blackout, now its the media "constantly" saying something about him lol nt

[NYMinute]

16. IKR?

[samnsara]

34. seems hes always yelling at me

[oldsoftie]

9. In 4 months people will realize Sanders cant beat trump electorally.

Unless something drastic happens, thats not going to change. We have to stop living in a fantasy

[George II]

11. It won't take four months for most.

[Thekaspervote]

12. Thank heavens he isn't going to be the nominee!!

[Doitnow]

13. Just keep watching

[Joe941]

55. You seem so sure...

[Thekaspervote]

57. Yes!

[NNadir]

14. That doesn't bode well for our country.

We don't need another tired old baby boomer to replace the worst President in our history.

We need someone dynamic, thoughtful and open minded.

After Buchanan, we had Lincoln.

After Hoover, FDR.

After Trump, Sanders?

Fortunately, most polls like these are horseshit.

[progressoid]

19. Don't think he's a boomer. 1941 would make him part of the silent generation.

[NNadir]

20. These pure distinctions are artificial. He reminds me of a 60's type which...

...would be OK, except my opinion is that he hasn't had an original thought since 1969.

I know those kinds of people then and in general, they (and I at the time) were kind of divorced from reality.

[Recursion]

23. Sanders passionately wants to win the 1980 Presidential election

And that's a big problem.

[NNadir]

25. That's pretty funny. Mind if I steal that joke? N/t.

[Recursion]

31. It was originally David Mitchell, about Jeremy Corbyn

So feel free

Here's the original: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2019/jun/02/general-election-jeremy-corbyn-labour-tories-brexit

[whathehell]

52. Then maybe you stop using them yourself..

Just a thought.

[NNadir]

56. I am not even remotely close to who I was in 1969.

Since that is the case, I have no use for anyone who has not had an original thought since then.

For the record, in 1969, I was a dumb assed anti-nuke scientifically illiterate socialist in 1970. Like I said, I know the type.

[whathehell]

59. Off point -- You called one candidate a "tired old boomer", and

based your critique of him on that -- When another poster refuted your claim on the basis of the candidate's age, you decided that this was an "artificial distinction" anyway -- Sorry, but you can't base an argument on a set of criteria, then suddenly disavow it when it becomes unsuitable to your purpose.

[NNadir]

62. I do not refer to Ms. Warren as a "tired old boomer." Despite being nearly the same age as that...

...tired old man, she has changed her mind about many things in her lifetime. I note that many of the "purity freaks" - and they are freaks - note, at one time she was a (gasp) Republican.

I disagree with Ms. Warren, my second choice for the nomination, on many things, some of which are extremely important to me, but would not have to hold my nose to vote for her in a general election because she has retained, throughout her whole life a flexibility of mind. Sanders has not.

However, if you desire to lecture me on thinking and rhetoric, may I suggest that if one wishes to engage in clear thinking, one should not focus too much on a small phrase set in a larger context.

Of course, if one has a very superficial outlook - this is a feature of the age of anti-thinking, the Twitter age of tweeting by twits - one can explode a tiny phrase into something which has meaning, even if it lacks it.

I do not object to Senator Sanders because he is old; I object to him because despite a long life, he has apparently not changed his mind about anything. Moreover, because his mind is inflexible and dogmatic, he likes to bring up what other people, say for example, Joe Biden, said or did 20 or 30 years ago. He thinks what one thought 30 years ago matters; I emphatically disagree.

Frankly, though, Senator Sanders is not worth much more than a few phrases. He was boring in 2016, he's boring now, an uninspiring sloganeer. As someone pointed out in a joke I liked very much and asked to steal, he is very much concerned with winning the 1980 Presidential election, but doesn't know shit from shinola about the 21st century.

Sorry, but I'm not interested in making further "points" about an intellectual primitive, which is what I regard Senator Sanders to be. It is simply not the case that every problem in the world can be solved by sneering the word "corporate."

I am a baby boomer myself, to be sure, an old man, disgusted by what my generation is leaving for the future world, but one thing I can say is that I'm no airhead repeating tired rhetoric from the 1960's. That rhetoric will make the world worse, not better, and although I was a part of the origins of that mentality, I have learned to reject it.

OK Boomer?

[whathehell]

63. Who said you did?

My post was in response to your description of Bernie Sanders.

If you want to "lecture" anyone on anything, I'd suggest you first understand the subject under discussion.

OK Boomer?

[NNadir]

64. I am very sorry you can't do inferences. This is an entirely useless conversation.

I can see clearly why you feel a need to defend Sanders.

I have nothing to say to you, and you have nothing to say to me. Let's at least agree on this, since I have no time to waste.

OK boomer?

[whathehell]

66. I am very sorry that you can't communicate effectively.

OK boomer?

[janterry]

27. In some ways I agree,

I'd like someone younger and more vibrant. I think Yang is interesting -

But - from my vantage - the worst scenario is Biden (not Bernie)

[NNadir]

45. I'm basically ABB.

Anyone but Bernie.

Unfortunately, Senator Sanders reminds me, as an ex-New Yorker, of many people I used to know.

I consider these people to be conservatives, since a conservative is by definition a person who thinks that nothing should be done the first time.

The reason I've latched on Mr. Yang, for the time being, besides my views on the most important issue, in my opinion, climate change, is that I see him seriously mulling over the issues of our times in a new way. He may not be right on some things, but he's thinking anew.

[NYMinute]

15. This is before the opposition research is unleashed

The fantasy essays, the Caribbean bank accounts, the "I'm a socialist" video, the sexual harassment in the campaign and many others.

When those stories are in commercials and ads and on talk shows 24/7, we'll lose 43-45 states.

Not everyone has a faith-based devotional support for BS.

[ehrnst]

18. +1000.

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. Turnout will be THE deciding factor in this election

A nominee who can inspire massive turnout is critical.

[left-of-center2012]

21. 'Paste' magazine?

“These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation.

They may utilize strong loaded words
(wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes),
publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes.

Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.”

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/paste-magazine/

[NYMinute]

22. ...

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[thesquanderer]

29. The data is not from Paste. it's from the Ipsos poll. B- rating. (n/t)

[left-of-center2012]

37. Paste put their far left slant on it n/t

[Autumn]

42. Yeah, it's not the Hill. nt

[Hortensis]

24. Nonsense. But tell me. Why is Sanders supporting Putin's call

to destroy NATO and start a new alliance that would include Russia (!) and focus on a pissant Middle East terrorist organization. The one that was almost dead until Trump obligingly revived it for Putin.

I need one of Sanders' ardent followers, who certainly should understand his goals and motivations, to explain this. I mean, Russia has been rearming for several years, has invaded two eastern European nations, promises his nation to invade and take over another dozen, and is attacking the United States with intent to eliminate us as a world power who could stop him. All this as Europe is forced to re-arm against Russia.

There must be an innocent explanation. One hopefully that put an abrupt end to Putin's chortling when Sanders endorsed his cynical proposal. One that instead struck fear into his heart and made him realize he made a terrible mistake by puffing Sanders up as a national figure through massive social media campaigns and promoting his candidacy for president.

What on earth is it?

[nini]

47. Because he's Putin's boy on the left

Has been for some time

[janterry]

26. GO Bernie!

[samnsara]

32. all cept mayor pete seems to beat trump

[Demsrule86]

35. In the end...they won't beat Trump in the states we need...Biden is the most electable Democrat.

[dem4decades]

38. It's all about Wisconsin, Penn and Michigan.

Maybe Arizona. But wouldn't count on that.

Probably look at the states the Republicans are doing the most voter disenfranchisement and polling reduction and those are the ones we have to win.

[apcalc]

40. Yes! That's why we need Amy.

[TexasTowelie]

44. It could also be about Texas.

Biden is only down one point in a hypothetical matchup in Texas while Bernie is down seven points. I can immediately think of a great VP nominee from Texas that has the enthusiasm to close that gap.

[Demsrule86]

33. Posting it doesn't make it so...take a closer look at the poll...

[katmondoo]

36. I still remember how DU'ers loved Dennis Kucinich, all posts were how progressive and wonderful

he was. That was back in the late 1990's. I think it was when Bush was running for President.

[TwilightZone]

46. He ran in the 2004 and 2008 primaries.

DU dates to 2001. It was founded as a response to W winning the 2000 campaign.

[Bhurel]

39. In the polling average?

Or not.

[Gothmog]

48. CNN disagrees

Link to tweet

[onetexan]

54. Was gonna say, which polls is this poster referring to?

[Thekaspervote]

58. Go Joe!

Sanders will not be the nominee... thankfully

[booley]

49. people over all trust Sanders

not really surprised by this

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. Of course they trust Bernie... they know he says what he means & means what he says!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[MrsCoffee]

60. Not even close.

Can't wait til this nonsense is over.

[honest.abe]

50. Mathematically 39 to 35 is higher than 40 to 36

39 / 74 = 52.7
40 / 76 = 52.6

So Biden is still “leading”.

[RDANGELO]

51. This all according to one polster and their sampling methods.

It is odd that no one get more than 40%. If you are only going to beat Trump by 4% nationally, there is a good chance you won't win the electoral college. Any way you look at it , there is not a lot to get excited about here.

[Gothmog]

61. Kornacki at the Big Board-Joe Biden has 3 to 1 lead over Sanders as Best Candidate to Beat trump

Link to tweet

[myohmy2]

65. "Bernie Sanders Now Leads All Other Democrats in Hypothetical Match-Up Vs. Trump"

...but here's the biggy

"...Sanders and Biden are both +4 in the hypothetical match-up, but it's Sanders who attracts the most voters."

>>>"...but it's Sanders who attracts the most voters."<<<

>>>"...but it's Sanders who attracts the most voters."<<<

...millions upon millions of voters (at 18 bucks a pop)...

...and to remind everyone, we're going to need millions upon millions of voters to beat rump...

...Bernie, a voter magnet...