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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 01:31 PM Dec 2019

Andrew Yang's Feminist Debate Moment Wasn't A One-Time Thing

"If you get too many men alone and leave us alone for a while, we kind of become morons,” he said to the audience — a moment which heralded great applause. After disappointing and flat answers from two of his fellow male candidates (ahem, Bernie and Joe), Yang's praise of women — even the women on stage beside him — was a testament to his position on gender roles and equality.

"Our country is deeply misogynist, and most all of us know that," he said in the debate. "The fact is, strong societies would elect more female leaders. Strong men treat women well for the same reasons."

But, this isn't the first time that Yang has voiced support for women — in politics or otherwise. “I think it is not a male legislator’s place to weigh in on women’s reproductive rights,” Yang once tweeted. “Women should make their own determinations as to what reproductive rights are. I have a feeling we know where women will come out.”
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With 2020 being just around the corner, voters are more likely to pay attention to Yang’s surging popularity and feminist policies.
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https://www.refinery29.com/amp/en-us/2019/12/9075062/andrew-yang-debate-women-support-feminist-history
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Andrew Yang's Feminist Debate Moment Wasn't A One-Time Thing (Original Post) redqueen Dec 2019 OP
I am excited that Yang is getting more IndyOp Dec 2019 #1
I'm hearing the same thing from lots of people. redqueen Dec 2019 #2
With all due respect to Joe Biden The Mouth Dec 2019 #3
Pete's reply to the third trimester question is, indeed, spot on - IndyOp Dec 2019 #6
I could see myself voting for my people. Tiggeroshii Dec 2019 #4
Polls show men and women tend to have similar views on abortion dsc Dec 2019 #5
Which underlying fact is that? nt redqueen Dec 2019 #7
 

IndyOp

(15,535 posts)
1. I am excited that Yang is getting more
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 03:12 PM
Dec 2019

mainstream media attention. The more I hear from him, the better I like him.

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
2. I'm hearing the same thing from lots of people.
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:01 PM
Dec 2019
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The Mouth

(3,163 posts)
3. With all due respect to Joe Biden
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:07 PM
Dec 2019

Yang and Pete are really great exemplars of the kind of attitude towards women, and feminism, that I've always tried to have. And hopefully representing the 'new mainstream'.

Pete had one of the best answers on late-term abortion I have not only heard, but could even conceive of-

Fox News anchor Chris Wallace sought to press Buttigieg on just when the cutoff point should be for when a woman can access an abortion. “Do you believe, at any point in pregnancy, that there should be any limit on a woman’s right to an abortion?” Wallace wanted to know.

It’s a framing that’s increasingly used by conservatives to provoke outrage about abortions: as illustrated by repeated comments from President Donald Trump, such statements falsely suggest that there’s a preponderance of individuals opting to engage in abortions very late in their pregnancies, and that they’re doing so to actively hurt babies.

As Buttigieg emphasized to Wallace, however, not only is the proportion of women getting an abortion in the third trimester very small, the decision to have an abortion — at any point in pregnancy — should be a woman’s choice.

“The dialogue has gotten so caught up in where you draw the line. I trust women to draw the line,” he said.

Wallace followed up and pressed Buttigieg on that point, but the mayor did not change his stance. Buttigieg’s response highlights just how much conservative critiques of abortion rights have focused far more on fear-mongering than they do on addressing the realities of when people have abortions.

“You would be okay with a woman well into the third trimester to obtain an abortion?” Wallace asked.

“These hypotheticals are set up to provoke a strong emotional reaction,” Buttigieg noted.

“These aren’t hypotheticals — there are 6,000 women a year who get an abortion in the third trimester,” Wallace said.

“That’s right, representing less than 1 percent of cases a year,” Buttigieg responded.

The data about abortions that take place later in pregnancies closely matches Buttigieg’s comments, as noted in a Los Angeles Times
story:

Just over 1% of abortions are performed at 21 weeks [which is before the third trimester], or later, according to the Guttmacher
Institute, a research group that supports abortion rights. An abortion after that time would likely occur because of a serious fetal
anomaly or for the health of the woman. The vast majority of abortions — 89% — are done in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy.

“Let’s put ourselves in the shoes of a woman in that situation. If it’s that late in your pregnancy ... it’s [almost to the point] that you’ve been expecting to carry it to term,” Buttigieg added. “Families ... then get the most devastating medical news of their lifetime. ... That decision is not going to be made any better, medically or morally, because the government is dictating how that decision should be made.”


I'm in the Yang Gang, but would be utterly stoked to have Pete as President or VP

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IndyOp

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6. Pete's reply to the third trimester question is, indeed, spot on -
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 09:00 PM
Dec 2019

it happens when the life of the baby is or will be intolerable for a brief time before they die. It is heartbreaking for all involved.

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Tiggeroshii

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4. I could see myself voting for my people.
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 05:09 PM
Dec 2019

We need an asian president.

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dsc

(52,166 posts)
5. Polls show men and women tend to have similar views on abortion
Sat Dec 21, 2019, 06:48 PM
Dec 2019

Here is one example

https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

Women 60/38 men 61/38 legal in most cases/illegal in most cases.

While his points may be valid his underlying fact here isn't.

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redqueen

(115,103 posts)
7. Which underlying fact is that? nt
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 02:31 AM
Dec 2019
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